Jump to content

Toronto?


LuigiVercotti
 Share

Recommended Posts

Sorry but Toronto is hideously ugly......all cement and wires. Everyone in Canada knows it's true.

Your DP is ugly :P

I don't agree with you and I'm sure a lot don't but your entitled to your opinion. :rolleyes:

============

"It has been speculated that the International Olympic Committee would like to award the 2024 Olympic Games to a North American city preferably in the Eastern Time Zone, in order to take advantage of the large television audiences and associated revenues".
I wonder who speculated that ;)

http://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/mmis/2014/ed/bgrd/backgroundfile-65722.pdf

Costs/Revenue estimates.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Sorry but Toronto is hideously ugly......all cement and wires. Everyone in Canada knows it's true.

Yeah sure, thats why Toronto is the 4th largest destination for foreign tourists in North America, we get more visitors than even Miami...

The whole city is like a bad suburb/strip-mall. Horrid weather, ugly architecture and ugly girls...just awful. If you love cement you'll love TORONTO! That should be the city moto.

lol, which hick town are you from?

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Sorry but Toronto is hideously ugly......all cement and wires. Everyone in Canada knows it's true.

Going by that precedence of being all 'wires and cement' might actually be a good omen for Toronto. Many previous Olympic cities are 'all cement and wires': Beijing, Athens, Sydney (beyond the harbour much of the city is very LA), Atlanta, Seoul, LA, etc.....

Your DP is ugly :P

I don't agree with you and I'm sure a lot don't but your entitled to your opinion. :rolleyes:

============

"It has been speculated that the International Olympic Committee would like to award the 2024 Olympic Games to a North American city preferably in the Eastern Time Zone, in order to take advantage of the large television audiences and associated revenues".
I wonder who speculated that ;)

That is silly logic, particularly given that Rio 2016 will cover this timezone nicely. Furthermore, the prestige of the Eastern NA zone is in decline with the rise in value of the Chinese and Russian markets.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

That is silly logic, particularly given that Rio 2016 will cover this timezone nicely. Furthermore, the prestige of the Eastern NA zone is in decline with the rise in value of the Chinese and Russian markets.

IKR, the actual report says Europe is in line for 2024 and North America isn't.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

IKR, the actual report says Europe is in line for 2024 and North America isn't.

It doesn't say NA isn't. It says based on historical data, no Olympics have gone 2 or 3 cycles without returning back to Europe which would favour a European candidate for 2024.

They also say this:

In addition, a review of the pattern of continental rotation for the summer games indicates that the summer games have never
gone more than 12 years without a summer games in Europe. As
the 2016 games are in Rio de
Janeiro and the 2020 games will
be in Tokyo, the historic pattern of summer Games would seemingly favour a European bid for 2024. However, there is no

certainty that this will occur

Link to comment
Share on other sites

The fact is we don't know what anyone really thinks at this stage.

Do we ever. But we can hypothesize based on what we do know. And what we do know is that many in the sporting world, including high ranking IOC officials, have stated that taking the Games to Africa someday soon would be essential to the movement. To capture all that new youth & reward the athletic acheivement that has come from the African continent. It's something that even USOC chief, Scott Blackmun, has acknowledged as well. So actually, yeah, we do know what many think on the subject.

That is silly logic, particularly given that Rio 2016 will cover this timezone nicely. Furthermore, the prestige of the Eastern NA zone is in decline with the rise in value of the Chinese and Russian markets.

Especially when the same report cites that the IOC does indeed view "the Americas'" as one continent. And therefore a 2024 bid from the continent may not do as well due to Rio 2016. Go figure.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

This point alone in the report convinces me that Toronto will bid. We've discussed it before as well. The same point would be valid for the USA if Toronto wins.

If Toronto does not bid for 2024 and the Games are awarded to a U.S. City, it is likely that Toronto will not have a
reasonable chance of winning until at least the 2036 Summer Games.
Link to comment
Share on other sites

I'm glad to see the Olympic bid finally picking up steam in Toronto. I saw it on the news today and was pleasantly surprised. I definitely see the committee approving to go forward with the bid. Potential Expo bid is DOA. http://globalnews.ca/news/1081307/toronto-to-consider-hosting-2024-olympic-games/

Based on who is rumoured to bid, let's predict our shortlist.

Toronto

Paris

Rome

Los Angeles

Durban

There will be some very strong technical bids here. Durban would be the weakest technically. Africa would have the sentimental vote but are they really ready for 2024. You have the safer choices in Toronto, Paris, Rome and L.A.. A Paris 2024 Olympics would make for a great story. Toronto and Durban would be looking to host their first Olympics while the other candidates have already hosted a Summer Olympics, the most recent being L.A. in '84. Toronto and L.A. would bring in the most $$$ being in that lucrative timezone. Paris would be the frontrunner once again. Could Toronto & L.A. split votes, same with Rome and Paris leaving the door open for Durban? I can't wait for this race to intensify. :)

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I guess you gotta be in it to win it, although to be blunt I don't like Toronto's chances. I think Toronto would be running third place campaign against a potentially amped up Paris bid (which be more like the assertive 2012 bid, and less like the submissive 2008 bid) and an IOC darling bid from South Africa, much like Beijing in 2001. Thats a tough set of circumstances.

If I were a Torontonian, or advising your council, in all honestly, I'd tell it to sit 2024 out if it seems likely that the US, Durban and Paris come forward.

The US is powerful, and also has the 'North America' card - and frankly 1996 and 2002 and less 'fresh' in people's minds as 2010; Durban has the weight of an entire continent on its shoulders and Paris is PARIS - potentially staging the first francophone games since 1976. This is a potential perfect storm of 2005 proportions.

There is no point in persistently bidding, just because 2024 is the closest target - Toronto would risk becoming the North American Madrid if it follows that train of thought. Given the chance that even a US candidate will be again flicked off in favour of Africa or Europe, Toronto should take a calculated risk and sit this out - go for 2028 when one of these three strong options (US, USA or Paris) is at least eliminated. If it is the US in 2024; suck it up and go for 2032 - Canada has hardly had a rough go of it.


CORRECTION***three strong options are US, SA and Europe

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I wanted to ask this hypothetical question. Let's say there's a large amount of applicant cities. Let's say there are 7-8 cities with higher scores than Durban at this stage. Has there been a precedence where the IOC denied 2 or more cities that have higher technical scores than the 5th city they shortlisted. I know Rio was shortlisted over Doha for 2016 but that is only one other city that had a higher score. What if the applicant phase included these cities? Will the IOC say NO to a few big name cities for the shortlist or expand the shortlist to a 6 city field?

Toronto

Paris

Rome

Los Angeles

Berlin

St.Petersburg

Doha

Istanbul

Durban

Baku

Link to comment
Share on other sites

There is no way Baku will get in, Azerbaijan just doesn't have what it takes, in a similar way that Peru or Slovakia wouldn't.

Doha is out on its proposed dates (October/November is unfeasible) and if it shifts to July its the same issues as the 2022 World Cup - and the IOC doesn't suffer fools like FIFA does. Too hot, and the IOC will not allow events to be staged at 2am just so Qatari sheikhs have another brag event on the shelf.

So that's Doha and Baku out.

To be honest, I really couldn't see the IOC cutting out any other of those proposed cities you mention - I think we could end up with a seven city race.. but I find it highly unlikely all those cities will come forth. I don't think any German city will come through, and I'd be surprised if Istanbul entered into an even tougher race than 2020.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Both Istanbul & St. Petersburg got cut for 2004 in an eleven-city applicant field. And Istanbul got cut for 2012 in a nine-city applicant field (despite making the cut for 2008).

So in a hypothetical 2024 applicant list like that, I could still see St. Petersburg & Istanbul get cut again, especially if Sochi 2014 doesn't go as smoothly. And right now, it's more likely that Hamburg would express more interest than Berlin. And that could be another determining factor to make it a six-city short-list, or not, if that is indeed the German city, if they bid TBW.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

The whole city is like a bad suburb/strip-mall. Horrid weather, ugly architecture and ugly girls...just awful. If you love cement you'll love TORONTO! That should be the city moto.

if you fail to realize any cities beauty especially one such as Toronto's you need to bury yourself in cement.

Do we ever. But we can hypothesize based on what we do know. And what we do know is that many in the sporting world, including high ranking IOC officials, have stated that taking the Games to Africa someday soon would be essential to the movement. To capture all that new youth & reward the athletic acheivement that has come from the African continent. It's something that even USOC chief, Scott Blackmun, has acknowledged as well. So actually, yeah, we do know what many think on the subject.

Especially when the same report cites that the IOC does indeed view "the Americas'" as one continent. And therefore a 2024 bid from the continent may not do as well due to Rio 2016. Go figure.

I hope that view changes soon, because our continents that make up the Americas are so diverse. So if 2024 turns out to be pointless (much like 2012) should Canada and the US hold out until 2026 or 2032?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I think the best chance for NA is 2032, once Paris & Durban have had their go. Canada's best hope is that the US runs out of patience & goes for the WOG in 2026 or 2030. Otherwise, Toronto will find it hard to beat a centennial LA bid. However, I do think 2015 is important. A successful Pan Am could be the lift Toronto needs to make it front runner for the next North American Games.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I disagree about LA's claim to 2032. The IOC didn't get overly emotional about Athens 1996, so I can't see them allowing an American city (of all places) mark one of its own.

Paris getting 2024 will have nothing to do with it being 100 years since 1924 - it will be because Paris is the best choice for 2024 if it happens. Helsinki 2052 ain't going to happen!

Furthermore I can't see the IOC wanting to set a precedence for centennials coming into a new century.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Stir.ts is clearly the most mentally sound and intelligent forumer on this board. His business must be thriving! All his statements are so insightful and accurate:

1) Toronto is clearly the ugliest city in the world...

11865140895_11b48d6d89_b.jpg

2) It's just miles of concrete commie blocks, not a hint of glass/brick/marble anywhere...

11831151876_e0bc7cb687_b.jpg

3) The architecture is frightfully unoriginal...

9416843409_e2631505a7_c.jpg

9420249728_3c9c62f230_b.jpg

4) Absolutely nothing of architectural merit, it really all should be torn down...

osgoode-hall-the-library.jpg?1307763476

4618013261_a1ffdc2256_b.jpg

5) The city is clearly one big suburban strip mall, no hint of urbanism...

10971932485_0d178a7546_b.jpg

6) Our Winters are terrible, we never go outside and just shiver in our igloos all day...

11333075296_a878effa0f_c.jpg
11396000845_d63a445ab3_c.jpg

7) The women are hideous, the photos speak for themselves...

tumblr_m9lp0dLC4q1qz9qooo1_1280.jpg

Sunny-Leone-Jism-2-Exposed-3.jpg

Laura-Stuff-Magazine-Scans-laura-vanderv

It's a wonder we don't all slit our wrists when we wake up every day in this terrible, terrible city ;)

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Talking about Olympic cycles Japan is hosting the 2020 games and the IOC always like to go to North America after they been to Japan, Japan 64 Mexico 68, Japan 1972 - USA 76 which did not happen due to Denver rejecting them after they got the hosting rights, Japan 1998 - USA 2002, So the cycle will follow to North America in 2024 after Japan 2020, Toronto Canada is the most likely city to get them 2024 is North America time so Europe will have to wait another 4 years to host the games.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Loading...
 Share

×
×
  • Create New...