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@intoronto1125 It is also likely that a new hockey arena in Markham could be used for something like volleyball. And the velodrome would have to be moved from Exhibition Place to the Portlands because it was proposed on the site where BMO field is now.

Also, Toronto can use the same argument that they did in 2008 with the city being a "City of Nations". Seeing as Toronto is one of the most multicultural cities on the planet with nearly half its population being born outside of Canada, this could be used to its advantage as every athlete and spectator could feel at home in some way.

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@intoronto1125 It is also likely that a new hockey arena in Markham could be used for something like volleyball. And the velodrome would have to be moved from Exhibition Place to the Portlands because it was proposed on the site where BMO field is now.

Also, Toronto can use the same argument that they did in 2008 with the city being a "City of Nations". Seeing as Toronto is one of the most multicultural cities on the planet with nearly half its population being born outside of Canada, this could be used to its advantage as every athlete and spectator could feel at home in some way.

Yes in my/George's proposal the BMO FIeld space has been taken into account. Accordingly the veldorome/bmx facility will be at the Portlands.

Markham is too far and a temporary arena for the Portlands is proposed like London's basketball arena.

-Not almost half it is more then. 52% according to the 2008 bid book so probably around the same or more this time around. I think its a good argument to unite the world in the most multicultural place on the planet.

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I think Australia would have one one of 2000-2020 imo.

Very interesting speculation indeed.

For a Toronto 2024 bid if my proposal which is very realistic came into reality:

-Only one venue (Canoe slalom at 125 km in St. Catherines) (besides 3 football stadiums in Ottawa, Hamilton and Montreal) would be held outside of Toronto's core.

-Out of the 31 venues in the city only 5 are not in the downtown core. With the distances being: 28km for eventing equestrian, 27km for Tennis, and 25km for golf. The IOC's evaluation report for 2008 included venues only 20km away from athlete's village. THe other two are 13km for trap shooting, 10km for mountain biking.

-All venues in Toronto will be connected by subway/lrt by 2024 which is a bonus

All other venues are in the waterfront a 12km distance between each end.

So you wouldn't be expecting a Canada "wide" Football tournament?

A perfect chance to acknowledge past Olympic hosts, by having Vancouver, Calgary and Montreal host, alongside the capital Ottawa and nearby city of Hamilton. It would remove the minor stadiums proposed in the 2008 bid.

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So you wouldn't be expecting a Canada "wide" Football tournament?

A perfect chance to acknowledge past Olympic hosts, by having Vancouver, Calgary and Montreal host, alongside the capital Ottawa and nearby city of Hamilton. It would remove the minor stadiums proposed in the 2008 bid.

No having football three time zones away is slightly ridiculous when you have 6 stadiums all within a fair distance of Toronto.

Toronto (BMO, Rogers, Olympic) Hamilton, Montreal and Ottawa.

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It would be mostly sentimental, rather than practical. Besides, the football tournament is mostly held a few days before the Olympics.

The latter rounds and finals would be held in the Ontario based venues and Montreal.

Just think of the Women's World cup, and other similar events, matches are held throughout the country, some at the same time.

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It would be mostly sentimental, rather than practical. Besides, the football tournament is mostly held a few days before the Olympics.

The latter rounds and finals would be held in the Ontario based venues and Montreal.

Just think of the Women's World cup, and other similar events, matches are held throughout the country, some at the same time.

Difference being this is the Olympics not the World Cup. Compact as possible = best. Look at atlanta all venues in close proximity.

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No having football three time zones away is slightly ridiculous when you have 6 stadiums all within a fair distance of Toronto.

Toronto (BMO, Rogers, Olympic) Hamilton, Montreal and Ottawa.

You *want* to spread the football tournament as wide as possible. It allows the whole country to feel like they are part of the games (especially as Federal money is always involved.) It helps with ticket sales and eases logistics on the host city.

Greater London could easily have hosted all the football preliminaries. They sent games to Scotland, Wales, the North Country, etc. for a reason.

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You *want* to spread the football tournament as wide as possible. It allows the whole country to feel like they are part of the games (especially as Federal money is always involved.) It helps with ticket sales and eases logistics on the host city.

Greater London could easily have hosted all the football preliminaries. They sent games to Scotland, Wales, the North Country, etc. for a reason.

Glasgow is the same distance that is between TOronto and Montreal so the tournament is being spread out.

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Do you honestly not understand the point (and the differences in geography between the UK and Canada) or are you just being arguementative?

I clearly understand the point you are making but I am also a realist. Having football games in Vancouver which is pretty far from Toronto is not going to cut it for the Olympics. Why didn't the USA have matches in La for 1996? Because its too far. It would be nice to have games that far but at the end of the day flying teams around the country is not going to work.

and the differences in geography between the UK and Canada, please I am a geography student so I should know.

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Do you honestly not understand the point (and the differences in geography between the UK and Canada) or are you just being arguementative?

The background differs between countries. In UK football is the most spectacular sport. So it is normal for all countries of UK like Scotland and wales to have some football matches. In Canada the spread of the football tournament as wide as possible is implemented by having football matches in 2 biggest cities after Toronto (Montreal and Ottawa). Οntario also is the most populous province so its logical to have there more than one stadiums. I dont think that this spread could satisfied having matches in greater distances (that would create other problems) and considering that in that regions football isn't more popular than the cities mentioned.

Just think this.

Ontario's area is 1,076,395 km2 . UK's area is 243,610 km2

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The background differs between countries. In UK football is the most spectacular sport. So it is normal for all countries of UK like Scotland and wales to have some football matches. In Canada the spread of the football tournament as wide as possible is implemented by having football matches in 2 biggest cities after Toronto (Montreal and Ottawa). Οntario also is the most populous province so its logical to have there more than one stadiums. I dont think that this spread could satisfied having matches in greater distances (that would create other problems) and considering that in that regions football isn't more popular than the cities mentioned.

Just think this.

Ontario's area is 1,076,395 km2 . UK's area is 243,610 km2

I remember during the 2007 FIFA u20 world cup there were issues with the distance. The Chile team played in Toronto then Edmonton then Toronto then Edmonton and again to Montreal. Look at the time zone differences it creates issues for athletes as well.

"Chile fought off the effects of jetlag to emerge as winners of Group A, criss-crossing their way from Toronto to Edmonton and back to collect seven points"

Why put unnecessary jet lag on athletes when 6 stadiums are available within distance.

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If you can fly teams over 1,000 miles (as was done for '96), you can fly them 3,000. You keep the groups local, so you just need to fly them once. I don't see that as a logistical problem.

3,000 is 3x the timing. And you can't forget that the last two group games have to be held at the same time. THen what?

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Do you honestly not understand the point (and the differences in geography between the UK and Canada) or are you just being arguementative?

During the 2000 Olympics, Football was held only on only in eastern Australia. Perth, WA got nothing as it is a four hour flight from Sydney. Australia and Canada are incomparably larger than the UK, so there is no point in comparing.

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You *want* to spread the football tournament as wide as possible. It allows the whole country to feel like they are part of the games (especially as Federal money is always involved.) It helps with ticket sales and eases logistics on the host city.

Did China spread football venues all over the country in 2008? Is Brazil in 2016? You mentioned U.S. 1996. Australia 2000 has already been mentioned. All of those Olympics could have spread out football more than that did, but need did. They don't have to go all the way to Vancouver and Edmonton if they don't want when there are enough good stadiums in closer proximity to Toronto.

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Did China spread football venues all over the country in 2008? Is Brazil in 2016? You mentioned U.S. 1996. Australia 2000 has already been mentioned. All of those Olympics could have spread out football more than that did, but need did. They don't have to go all the way to Vancouver and Edmonton if they don't want when there are enough good stadiums in closer proximity to Toronto.

Exactly.

6 stadiums that are fair in size are available.

Rogers Centre - 50,000

BMO Field - 28,000 with expansion

Olympic Stadium - 80,000

Olympic Stadium, Montreal - 70,000

Ivor Wynne - Hamilton - 40,000

Frank Clair Stadium - Ottawa - 40,000

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Exactly.

6 stadiums that are fair in size are available.

Rogers Centre - 50,000

BMO Field - 28,000 with expansion

Olympic Stadium - 80,000

Olympic Stadium, Montreal - 70,000

Ivor Wynne - Hamilton - 40,000

Frank Clair Stadium - Ottawa - 40,000

Surely proposing to use Montreal's Olympic Stadium is enough sentimentality for the Olympic buffs out there?

If a Toronto Olympics was to include Calgary and Vancouver just because of 1988 and 2010, they wouldn't be using venues specific to those Games. Both their Ceremony stadiums were existing, and not built as a result of their respective Olympics. If you are going to go that far west, I think using Edmonton's Commonwealth Stadium would make more sense.

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Surely proposing to use Montreal's Olympic Stadium is enough sentimentality for the Olympic buffs out there?

If a Toronto Olympics was to include Calgary and Vancouver just because of 1988 and 2010, they wouldn't be using venues specific to those Games. Both their Ceremony stadiums were existing, and not built as a result of their respective Olympics. If you are going to go that far west, I think using Edmonton's Commonwealth Stadium would make more sense.

Calgary's stadium is in need of repair. Both Commonwealth and BC have been renovated recently. However it doesn't make them a candidate for football games if Toronto were to host the games.

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Exactly.

6 stadiums that are fair in size are available.

Rogers Centre - 50,000

BMO Field - 28,000 with expansion

Olympic Stadium - 80,000

Olympic Stadium, Montreal - 70,000

Ivor Wynne - Hamilton - 40,000

Frank Clair Stadium - Ottawa - 40,000

Well you ARE building Toronto's Olympic stadium from scratch, why not go with the number proposed in 2008? 100,000?

I don't think Montreal's Olympic Stadium can go beyond 65,000 in football mode.

Did China spread football venues all over the country in 2008? Is Brazil in 2016? You mentioned U.S. 1996. Australia 2000 has already been mentioned. All of those Olympics could have spread out football more than that did, but need did. They don't have to go all the way to Vancouver and Edmonton if they don't want when there are enough good stadiums in closer proximity to Toronto.

Sydney 2000 had Brisbane up north, Melbourne down south, Canberra west of Sydney and Adelaide south-west to supplement the 2 Sydney venues.

It could have gone with Perth, but they chose not to do so. What I'm saying is the football tournament does not need to be compact, athletes for that event end up staying in hotels throughout the competition wherever they're held, regardless of where they're held. It's the same for the World Cup etc, so why couldn't it apply for the Olympics too? It's not too long a flight or problem to transport such athletes.

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