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Good to hear "Toronto 2024" officials are in London getting the word out and gauging interest.

Yes, it is good to hear that there is definite interest in a Toronto bid for 2024 from those big honchos currently in London.

Which other potential 2024 candidates are in London now?

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Unlike a lot of people i don't think a Toronto game would be something crazy to dream of, but do you really think anything serious can be done in London for a bid where the vote will take place in five years? :blink:

All you will get is IOC member & the president saying it would be a great bid with a great opportunity to win, but hey they say that to everybody, the more the merrier for them. I bet Jacky Roggy even says to Baku & Doha & La Havana they are learning from their mistakes and doing much better when he knows it's dead in the water :D

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Unlike a lot of people i don't think a Toronto game would be something crazy to dream of, but do you really think anything serious can be done in London for a bid where the vote will take place in five years? :blink:

All you will get is IOC member & the president saying it would be a great bid with a great opportunity to win, but hey they say that to everybody, the more the merrier for them. I bet Jacky Roggy even says to Baku & Doha & La Havana they are learning from their mistakes and doing much better when he knows it's dead in the water :D

Better to be there and start to build relationships and trust even if its early.

Something to note: Hardwood Hills in Barrie was not the original 2008 mountain biking venue, it was Don Valley something I had proposed earlier. Just wanted to point that out.

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Canada just doesn't have that premier, iconic city that other countries within our class have. We don't have a London, Rome, Paris, Sydney etc. Canada is a lot like Sweden, Netherlands, Belgium and Switzerland.

I think you're being a bit harsh on yourself there.

Toronto is definitely a globally known city, if you asked people the capital of Canada, I think 70% would say Toronto.

It's like people thinking Sydney is the capital of Australia, or Istanbul of Turkey.

And the CN tower seriously helps Toronto with it's global image and making it recognisable.

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I think you're being a bit harsh on yourself there.

Toronto is definitely a globally known city, if you asked people the capital of Canada, I think 70% would say Toronto.

It's like people thinking Sydney is the capital of Australia, or Istanbul of Turkey.

And the CN tower seriously helps Toronto with it's global image and making it recognisable.

70% would say Toronto? Really? They must not be very clued onto geography because Canada is not a nation of a singular hub city like Mexico is with Mexico City or France is with Paris... or even (as you mention ) Turkey is with Istanbul, despite it not being capital. Also Ottawa is quite a well known global capital, unlike somewhere like Canberra or Brasilia.

If you ask the average Australian what the capital of Canada is most would say Ottawa, and I'm sure everyone else would say "don't know". The most well known city in Canada though, for Australians, would have to be Vancouver, as its on the Pacific, and Australians love skiing there, and obviously the 2010 Olympics helped too. Canada has many cities that are too varied for Toronto to take full helm. Look at Montreal, one of the most interesting cities in North America. Similar deal here in Australia - Sydney is the largest city in the country; but much of Australia's economic wealth comes out of mining in WA via Perth and to a lesser extent Brisbane. Melbourne still maintains huge economic, political and cultural clout (many of our national institutions are based there), and was formerly the capital before Canberra. In saying that, Sydney is the undisputed "face" of Australia. A simple Google image search of "Canada' brings up images of mountains and maple leafs - the same for "Australia' brings up Sydney and the outback.

As for the CN Tower, its surely very tall and held a record for a very long time, but I would stop short of saying its a globally recognised landmark. Well known in North America, perhaps, but I'd say most people in Australia wouldn't know of its existence. TV Tower's are TV Towers, big or small. I'd say Seattle's Space Needle is one of the more well known ones, as its the original Jetsons era design.

Backkkk to the topic at hand: Toronto. I want Toronto to host the Olympics in the middle future, but honestly i'd be disappointed if it happened in 2024. I'd like to see the US host the next NA Summer Olympics, and then Toronto in the 2030's.

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70% would say Toronto? Really? They must not be very clued onto geography because Canada is not a nation of a singular hub city like Mexico is with Mexico City or France is with Paris... or even (as you mention ) Turkey is with Istanbul, despite it not being capital. Also Ottawa is quite a well known global capital, unlike somewhere like Canberra or Brasilia.

If you ask the average Australian what the capital of Canada is most would say Ottawa, and I'm sure everyone else would say "don't know". The most well known city in Canada though, for Australians, would have to be Vancouver, as its on the Pacific, and Australians love skiing there, and obviously the 2010 Olympics helped too. Canada has many cities that are too varied for Toronto to take full helm. Look at Montreal, one of the most interesting cities in North America. Similar deal here in Australia - Sydney is the largest city in the country; but much of Australia's economic wealth comes out of mining in WA via Perth and to a lesser extent Brisbane. Melbourne still maintains huge economic, political and cultural clout (many of our national institutions are based there), and was formerly the capital before Canberra. In saying that, Sydney is the undisputed "face" of Australia. A simple Google image search of "Canada' brings up images of mountains and maple leafs - the same for "Australia' brings up Sydney and the outback.

As for the CN Tower, its surely very tall and held a record for a very long time, but I would stop short of saying its a globally recognised landmark. Well known in North America, perhaps, but I'd say most people in Australia wouldn't know of its existence. TV Tower's are TV Towers, big or small. I'd say Seattle's Space Needle is one of the more well known ones, as its the original Jetsons era design.

Backkkk to the topic at hand: Toronto. I want Toronto to host the Olympics in the middle future, but honestly i'd be disappointed if it happened in 2024. I'd like to see the US host the next NA Summer Olympics, and then Toronto in the 2030's.

Too be honest I think you are wrong. I don't think anyone has identified Canberra is capital of Australia always thinking its Sydney (I of course correct them because I am a Geography major in about 2 years lol)

Just been looking through the 2008 bid books. Clearly impressive, compact and full of large capacity venues.

Any future bid must be exactly or better than this.

The proposed 100,000 seater stadium could be downsized to 30,000-60,000 capacity.

I think its the best bid possible. 89% of venues within 10 minutes of the athletes village.

Only thing far away is tennis 27km at York University (but easily accessible by ttc, Don Valley which is just outside the 10 minute range and New Markham Arena (boxing)

Substitute: North Caledon Equestrian Centre with the Modern Pentathlon centre that was proposed. Move boxing to Markham saves 20 minutes.Drop Brampton and Mississauga arenas as they are not necessary. A new canoe slalom venue has to be built in the downtown core. Make Rogers Centre host early preliminaries in football and rugby (which drops Frank Clair Stadium).

And there you have it the furtherest venue (including football) will be only 32 minutes. Only 5 venues will be outside the range of the 6km Olympic Waterfront.

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Too be honest I think you are wrong. I don't think anyone has identified Canberra is capital of Australia always thinking its Sydney (I of course correct them because I am a Geography major in about 2 years lol)

How does that make me wrong? I said Canberra is not as well known as Ottawa. I don't think Australians would ever confuse Toronto as being capital, we hear just as much about Vancouver as we do East Coast Canada.

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How does that make me wrong? I said Canberra is not as well known as Ottawa. I don't think Australians would ever confuse Toronto as being capital, we hear just as much about Vancouver as we do East Coast Canada.

As in people identifying Canberra as capital most of the time (hopefully I didn't take it out of context).

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Too be honest I think you are wrong. I don't think anyone has identified Canberra is capital of Australia always thinking its Sydney (I of course correct them because I am a Geography major in about 2 years lol)

I think its the best bid possible. 89% of venues within 10 minutes of the athletes village.

Only thing far away is tennis 27km at York University (but easily accessible by ttc, Don Valley which is just outside the 10 minute range and New Markham Arena (boxing)

Substitute: North Caledon Equestrian Centre with the Modern Pentathlon centre that was proposed. Move boxing to Markham saves 20 minutes.Drop Brampton and Mississauga arenas as they are not necessary. A new canoe slalom venue has to be built in the downtown core. Make Rogers Centre host early preliminaries in football and rugby (which drops Frank Clair Stadium).

And there you have it the furtherest venue (including football) will be only 32 minutes. Only 5 venues will be outside the range of the 6km Olympic Waterfront.

I'd doubt they'd drop the Frank Clair.

Interestingly the football is the one event that is spread around a country so using BC Place, Commonwealth Stadium, Canads Inn (or whatever the new is called) the Frank Clair and Montreal's Olympic stadium makes sense.

What the Rogers offers with its roof closed seems too valuable to me.

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I'd doubt they'd drop the Frank Clair.

Interestingly the football is the one event that is spread around a country so using BC Place, Commonwealth Stadium, Canads Inn (or whatever the new is called) the Frank Clair and Montreal's Olympic stadium makes sense.

What the Rogers offers with its roof closed seems too valuable to me.

But to have the most compact plan you can have all venues within the greater Toronto Area. That has never happened before, something a Toronto bid can potentially push.

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But to have the most compact plan you can have all venues within the greater Toronto Area. That has never happened before, something a Toronto bid can potentially push.

You need about 5 football venues most of which are 30,000 seats+ .... I don't know if Toronto has this capacity?

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You need about 5 football venues most of which are 30,000 seats+ .... I don't know if Toronto has this capacity?

The requirement is 20,000

For 2008 this was proposed in the GTA

North Park Stadium, Oakville 20,000

Vaughan Grove Sports Park, Vaughan 20,000

Olympic Stadium, Toronto 100,000

You can add:

Rogers Centre 51,000

BMO Field 21,800

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The requirement is 20,000

For 2008 this was proposed in the GTA

North Park Stadium, Oakville 20,000

Vaughan Grove Sports Park, Vaughan 20,000

Olympic Stadium, Toronto 100,000

You can add:

Rogers Centre 51,000

BMO Field 21,800

Maybe so but the reason why football at every games is widely spread is so that the games had reach people who can't make it too other events. I don't think concentrating the football would enhance the bid, and could in fact detract from it.

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Maybe so but the reason why football at every games is widely spread is so that the games had reach people who can't make it too other events. I don't think concentrating the football would enhance the bid, and could in fact detract from it.

Then remove the Vaughan and Oakville stadiums and you put in Ottawa and Hamilton at best. Still involves only one province.

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Then remove the Vaughan and Oakville stadiums and you put in Ottawa and Hamilton at best. Still involves only one province.

Wouldn't mind using venues in Montreal for Football, to be honest. They have two good stadiums that can be used and it's not terribly far from Toronto.

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I'm sure a Toronto bid will not be as compact when it comes to Olympic Football, that event does not have to be.

Just have a sense of Olympic symbolism by having the past Olympic cities, Hamilton and the capital host:

Vancouver - BC Place (Existing) - 50,000+

Calgary - McMahon Stadium (With Upgrades) - 35,000+

Montreal - Montreal Olympic Stadium (With Minor Upgrades) - 65,000+

Hamilton - Pan American Stadium (With Minor Upgrades) - 22,000+

Ottawa - Frank Clair Stadium (With Minor Upgrades) - 25,000+

Toronto - BMO Field (With Upgrades) - 30,000

Toronto - Olympic Stadium - (New) - 100,000

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Are you serious with Vancouver and Calgary? Those cities are very far from Toronto.

So? Big deal? The Women's WC has to do this and a potential Men's WC must do this, I don't see the problem of traveling by air, for preliminary football events held before the actual Olympics.

Even their U-20 WC did this. I don't see it as a major problem.

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So? Big deal? The Women's WC has to do this and a potential Men's WC must do this, I don't see the problem of traveling by air, for preliminary football events held before the actual Olympics.

Even their U-20 WC did this. I don't see it as a major problem.

Not happening. Maximum is Ottawa.

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So? Big deal? The Women's WC has to do this and a potential Men's WC must do this, I don't see the problem of traveling by air, for preliminary football events held before the actual Olympics.

Even their U-20 WC did this. I don't see it as a major problem.

While I can't find an article relating to this, I vividly remember in the late 1990's the then WA Premier Richard Court making a fuss over the fact that Perth had been "snubbed" in favour of East Coast cities by SOCOG as venues for the 2000 Olympic Football. Apparent SOCOG did this because the IOC felt it undesirable due to the unfairness of some teams in certain groups having to do the 4-hour flight to Perth from the East Coast to compete, and likely back again.

I imagine it was a similar reason in Atlanta 1996 when all Football tournaments took place in America's South Eastern states.

So its possible that cities like Vancouver, Calgary and Edmonton may be passed over in the event of a Toronto Olympics. They were in 1976.

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In 1984, LA used stadiums in Boston and Maryland and for the football

In 1996, Atlanta used stadiums in Miami and Washington

In 2000, Sydney used stadiums Brisbane, Adelaide and Melbourne

In 2008, Beijing used stadiums in Shanghai

and if you look at the LA, NY and Chicago bids for 2012 and 2016, the football was spread around

There is no reason not to use stadiums in Vancouver, Edmonton, Winnipeg and Montreal to host the football group games before moving the semi finals and finals close to Toronto.

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