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With windsurfing being voted onto the program it might affect a Toronto bid. It was not approved for the Pan Am Games due to wind issues. Although this is a minor issue, it is something to think about.

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A co woker forward a web site CP24 about a poll if Toronto should bid for 2024 58 percent say no.

It doesnt say a lot but cp24 on the streets today were all supportive of a bid but main sticking point was transit. But with the Olympics comes fast tracked transit,

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Toronto pursuing a potential 2024 bid is all in the news today. I guess the team is trying to build up early support during the time the London games are taking place. I knew this was bound to happen. All interested cities do this.

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Should Toronto make a bid for the 2024 games - Yes!

Does Toronto deserve the 2024 games - Yes!

Will Toronto get 2024 games - Yes!

Will Toronto profit or gain from the 2024 - NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Should Toronto make a bid for the 2024 games - Yes!

Does Toronto deserve the 2024 games - Yes!

Will Toronto get 2024 games - Yes!

Will Toronto profit or gain from the 2024 - NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Profit probably not unless tickets are sky high and spending is at a minimum. Gain: yes they gain venues that will be needed (otherwise they will be temporary) and gain expedited infrastructure projects.

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#1 requirement for me is there should not be any white elephants...I'm hearing about all these past hosts with these venues which are vacant and costing tons of money.

Obviously, the bill for hosting these games would be massive as we have seen time and time again but with the improvement of infrastructure in the city it would be worth it. Plus, if you build it they will come...with the Olympic Stadium in place, the NFL will award Toronto an NFL franchise. Los Angeles is pretty much out of the way, Toronto is next in line.

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Should Toronto make a bid for the 2024 games - Yes!

Does Toronto deserve the 2024 games - Yes!

Will Toronto get 2024 games - Yes!

Will Toronto profit or gain from the 2024 - NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh we'll profit all right ... the GO lines might be electrified cause of a bid... we may very well see the very very very fabled DRL finally get built (its a second downtown subway that has been on and off again since the 1980's). Really - I feel a winning bid will finally give toronto a world class subway system. The fun part is going to be council - the mayor position is pretty much powerless... it'll rest on council if we proceed. Next big moment is March 2013... thats when the report comes in. We were so close to a 2020 bid that Ford has officially lost my support... its a shame Council's new found power wasnt found last year.

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http://www.torontosun.com/2012/07/30/dont-rule-out-olympic-bid-for-to-minnan-wong

Don't rule out Olympic bid for T.O.: Minnan-Wong

By Don Peat ,City Hall Bureau Chief

First posted:

Monday, July 30, 2012 08:34 PM EDT | Updated:

Monday, July 30, 2012 08:36 PM EDT

Not all councillors are ready to take Toronto out of the running for a bid on the 2024 Olympics.

Councillor Denzil Minnan-Wong urged councillors to wait for a staff report on a possible Hogtown bid for the summer Olympics.

“I think that we need to wait to get the report back to evaluate the facts,” Minnan-Wong said Monday.

Minnan-Wong was reacting to a story in Monday’s Toronto Sun in which Councillor James Pasternak warned a Toronto Olympics could lead to a financial “hangover” once the games were over.

“Although the allure of an Olympic games gets everyone excited, history shows that the financial hangover rarely justifies the party,” Pasternak said. “This is normally a high-risk venture in which taxpayers are carrying the load for a generation.”

Minnan-Wong said Pasternak “seems to be big on infrastructure,” so he shouldn’t dismiss an Olympic bid so quickly.

“An Olympics would bring in more infrastructure to this city than he would ever imagine,” he said.

City council voted in June to direct bureaucrats to look at the pros and cons of a 2024 bid for the Summer Games. Councillors also called for a study of a bid on the World Expo 2025. The reports will be ready in March 2013.

Councillor Adam Vaughan said he’s more interested in the staff report on a possible bid for the 2025 World Expo.

“I think the Expo bid would be better for the city and probably have a better impact in terms of tourism and would fit in with some of the goals about how we’re trying to bring the Portlands forward,” Vaughan said.

“With the Olympics, the footprint is so big, the cost so enormous and it is really such a momentary impact that I’m not as convinced.”

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/dailybrew/toronto-pondering-potential-2024-summer-olympics-bid-185326192.html

Toronto pondering potential 2024 Summer Olympics bid

nb-headshot_162557.jpgBy Nadine Bells | Daily Brew – 7 hours ago

2012-07-27T221519Z_1651638458_LM2E87R1PT9QY_RTRMADP_3_OLY-OPEN-CEREMONY-DAY0-ACT2.JPGMembers of Canada's contingent take part in the athletes parade during the opening ceremony of the London 2012 …With the Olympic Games now in full swing — and the subsequent outbreak of Olympic fever in TV-watchers everywhere — Toronto's city council is reviving the dream of one day hosting the world-class event.

On Friday, council voted to investigate the possibility of a 2024 Summer Games bid, the Toronto Star reports. This comes as an amendment to another motion: to study the possibility of a World Expo 2025 bid.

Two separate reports — one on each bid — will be submitted to Toronto's economic development and culture committee in March 2013, CBC News reports.

Toronto lost its bid for the 2008 games to Beijing, an extensive — and expensive — process. Toronto lost its 1996 bid to Atlanta.

Last year, councillor Doug Ford declared that Toronto was in no position to host the Games as the city contemplated a 2020 bid. This time around, Mayor Rob Ford is backing the motion to investigate the 2024 possibility. Doug Ford was absent from the vote, the Toronto Star reports.

[ Full coverage: London 2012 Olympics ]

"He has some reservations about it," Councillor Denzil Minnan-Wong conceded to the Globe and Mail. "I don't think the mayor is prepared to make a decision right now. He wants to see all the facts."

What makes us better contenders this time around?

Well, the Pan American Games might be key. Toronto is set to host the games in 2015, guaranteeing that the city will have world-class facilities worthy of Olympic athletes.

"Presuming that we do a good job on it, I think it's very positive," Bob Richardson, the organizer behind Toronto's successful Pan Am Games bid, told the Globe and Mail. "The proof of that is in the pudding for Rio [de Janeiro]. They held the Pan Am Games and that was a huge plus for them in terms of their successful bid to host the 2016 Olympics."

Still, if Quebec City bids on the 2022 Winter Olympics as it's rumoured to do, Toronto's odds will be hurt: Canada isn't likely to be awarded back-to-back games. Plus, the country has already hosted the Games three times in the last 40 years, making its bids more difficult than a more largely populated nation with fewer Olympics to its name.

Councillor Minnan-Wong says that he'd choose the Olympics over the 2025 World Expo.

"If I had to choose, there's no question: The Olympics. It's the most important global event a city can host: The economic benefits. The job creation. The buzz it would give the city. And the infrastructure that would be left would be amazing," Minnan-Wong told the Toronto Star.

[ More Daily Brew: James Holmes charged with 24 counts of murder ]

Not everyone is as enthusiastic, nor do they see these so-called "economic benefits."

Montreal didn't pay down its $1.5 billion debt from its 1976 Summer Games until 2006. The $43 billion China spent on the games has left the city with large abandoned facilities, unmaintained since the record-expensive event.

"Although the allure of an Olympic games gets everyone excited, history shows that the financial hangover rarely justifies the party," Councillor James Pasternak said on Sunday. "This is normally a high-risk venture in which taxpayers are carrying the load for a generation."

Amateur athlete Paul White told the Toronto Sun that the Toronto bid only makes sense if the city's prepared to maintain the new facilities.

Other critics worry that there's too much uncertainty when it comes to transportation and the city's transit plans.

London mayor Boris Johnson thinks Toronto should just "go for it."

"I think that's a great move," Johnson told The Canadian Press earlier this year. "Go for it, Toronto. You won't regret it if you get it."

The London Olympics reportedly cost more than $14 billion.

The winning bid for the 2024 Summer Games will be announced in 2017.

Do you think Toronto should bid on the Games?

Renewed buzz for Toronto Olympic bid alongside London Games

07/30/2012 | CityNews.ca & 680News.com staff

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Austin Playfoot, a torchbearer in 1948, relights the Olympic Cauldron after it was moved into the Olympic Stadium on July 30, 2012 in London, England. GETTY IMAGES/Jeff J Mitchell.

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VideoOlympic bid not right for Toronto: CouncillorAs the world spotlight shines on London, there's renewed buzz about whether Toronto should take a run at the 2024 Olympic Games.

In June, Toronto city council voted to request a report from city staff on pursuing the 2024 Games. It will also be studying whether Toronto should bid for the 2025 World Expo. The report is expected next March.

Toronto made unsuccessful bids for the 1996 and 2008 Summer Olympics. However, Toronto was successful in its bid for the 2015 Pan American/Parapan American Games – set to take over the city in exactly three years from now.

At least two Toronto city councillors are questioning the cost-benefit equation of hosting the Olympic Games.

Coun. James Pasternak told the Toronto Sun that the financial "hangover" rarely justifies the 17-day event, pointing out that Beijing's national stadium sits abandoned and is a drain on public funds.

Atlanta has reportedly not realized a post-Olympic benefit, and it took Montreal up to 30 years to pay off its $1.5-billion debt incurred in 1976.

Coun. Giorgio Mammoliti pointed out that it would be impossible to host the event with the current uncertainty around transit plans.

Meanwhile, Counc. Denzil Minnan-Wong is bullish on the event:

“If I had to choose, there’s no question: The Olympics. It’s the most important global event a city can host: The economic benefits. The job creation. The buzz it would give the city. And the infrastructure that would be left would be amazing,” according to a story in the Toronto Star.

The Summer Games underway right now in London reportedly cost upwards of $14 billion.

"I think that's a great move," London mayor Boris Johnson told The Canadian Press earlier this year.

"Go for it, Toronto. You won't regret it if you get it."

Coun. Kristyn Wong-Tam pitched the idea of studying the pros and cons of holding the 2025 World Expo in the GTA. Councillors Denzil Minnan-Wong and Michael Thompson added to the proposal by asking also for a report on the feasibility of hosting the 2024 Summer Olympics.

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No white elephants are a must. ATM the stadium should and can be given to the argos off course downgraded. All other venues can be existing or temporary or reduced in size.

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No white elephants are a must. ATM the stadium should and can be given to the argos off course downgraded. All other venues can be existing or temporary or reduced in size.

It kind of sucks that the Veledrome for the 2015 Pan Ams will be all the way in Milton. It will end up being the main Cycling venue for the 2024 bid. It would have been nice to have this venue included as part of the Olympic park but at the same time we would still have that venue in place for the bid as well as a brand new Aquatic Centre which will most likely be used as a secondary Aquatic venue for the 2024 bid.

I'm only thinking of two permanent builds off the top of my head. Athletics Stadium and Aquatic Centre. Am I missing anything else? The rest would either be upgrading current facilities and the construction of temporary venues.

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It kind of sucks that the Veledrome for the 2015 Pan Ams will be all the way in Milton. It will end up being the main Cycling venue for the 2024 bid. It would have been nice to have this venue included as part of the Olympic park but at the same time we would still have that venue in place for the bid as well as a brand new Aquatic Centre which will most likely be used as a secondary Aquatic venue for the 2024 bid.

I'm only thinking of two permanent builds off the top of my head. Athletics Stadium and Aquatic Centre. Am I missing anything else? The rest would either be upgrading current facilities and the construction of temporary venues.

Possibly a new arena downtown for the University of Toronto.

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I don't understand why a city needs to bid for the Olympics in order to build infrastructure projects or transit. Roads and Interstates need to be repaired now not wait to see if a city can get the Olympics.

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I agree. It was a similar mantra in their 2008 bid. "We need these Olympics so our own Canadian athletes can benefit from the infrastructure", quite a brazen suggestion.

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I agree. It was a similar mantra in their 2008 bid. "We need these Olympics so our own Canadian athletes can benefit from the infrastructure", quite a brazen suggestion.

There is no sports infrastructure in this city for the public to use. Nothing. The only Olympic pool is in dire need of repairs. The Pan Ams will help but the Olympics will put it over.

nderstand why a city needs to bid for the Olympics in order to build infrastructure projects or transit. Roads and Interstates need to be repaired now not wait to see if a city can get the Olympics.

It doesn't but with the Olympics it sets a deadline. Otherwise it will take as long as the politicians want. Ex. the Rail link to the airport is due in 2015 cuz of the 2015 Games. Otherwise it would have been much later.

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Clara Hughes IMO the best Olympic athlete ever (Only one to win multiple medals in winter and summer Olympics) has become a spokesperson for the 2024 Games.

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Clara Hughes IMO the best Olympic athlete ever (Only one to win multiple medals in winter and summer Olympics) has become a spokesperson for the 2024 Games.

Where did you hear that?

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This is an artical from The Toronto Star, I totally agree with his view on the money spent. We wouldn't get that money otherwise.

Naysayers will argue the money could be better spent on other Toronto needs; the trouble is, it won’t be.

Published on Thursday August 02, 2012

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Laurence Griffiths/GETTY IMAGES Canada's team, led by Simon Whitfield, enters the stadium during the Opening Ceremony of the London 2012 Olympic Games.

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By James, Royson City Columnist

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The Olympics? No! Don’t bid for it. Don’t bring it to Toronto. Don’t even study the possibilities.

Who needs to deal with the stuffy IOC? The insufferable and arrogant aristocrats can take their bloated Games to city-suckers everywhere — but not Toronto. We are much too smart for that.

Think of the cost. The cost-overruns. The fuss. The bother. The traffic. The dislocation of the homeless. The triumph of consumer greed and excess over commonsense.

Well, I hate to be a dissenter. But sign me up for the Olympics. Any time. Every time.

I pity people who argue that the money spent on the Olympics could better be spent fixing our problems. These are cousins to local citizens who reject city hall spending on poor kids because that is the federal government’s responsibility. (Let them flounder and drift to neighbourhood gangs; O, then, we can use property tax dollars to arrest them; and federal money to incarcerate them).

I understand the beguiling arguments. Why spend $15 billion to bring the Olympics to Toronto when you can spend all that money on the city’s transit and deliver eternal benefits to the citizenry?

The answer lies in paraphrasing the weight-loss commercial, “If we could have done it by ourselves, we would have done it already.”

Now, we can continue to sit and wait and beg and do studies and organize campaigns to embarrass the federal government, and update the transit studies we updated 20 years ago, and applaud city council’s bold decision to approve transit plans only to see a new mayor overturn them . . .

Or, we can ignite the plans via the catalyst of a major event like the Olympics.

Some of us love the Games and what they represent. We get off on the high of seeing the world’s greatest athletes up close. We’ve swallowed the once-innocent ideal of the youth of the world gathering in peace once every four years to compete without drawing blood.

Others, on the pro-Olympics bandwagon, are there for practical reasons. A primary one is that Olympics deliver infrastructure improvements and desired projects. Period.

Now, the ideal suggests that if a city project is worth doing it’s worth doing whether or not the city is holding a global party. The reality is quite different.

For a billion years, Torontonians have said that a transit link between the airport and downtown is a no-brainer. Finally, it is happening — in time for the 2015 Pan Am Games.

For a zillion years, we’ve studied and held charettes and debated and agonized over the future of the Ataratiri lands, now called West Don Lands, on the banks of the Don River, east of Parliament, north of the Gardiner-DVP ramps. Suddenly, housing is going up. Why? For use as the athletes’ village for the 2015 Pan Am Games.

Think of the bomb that could be put under the behind of all those responsible for revitalizing the waterfront — should they be given a deadline to fix it up in time for a world visit of Olympians in 2024.

Stop worrying about the cost overruns. A wise city insists that Olympic costs are back-stopped by the federal or provincial governments, not city property owners.

If a Toronto Olympics run a deficit or descend into debt, the whole country chips in to pay the tab. For once, Toronto would be getting back a good portion of the billions the city region sends annually to the rest of Canada.

Without the Olympics, that kind of money is not heading Toronto’s way. History shows that. To turn our backs on such an opportunity is to look a gift horse in the mouth

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So true hence the resentment the rest of the country has against us. And someone posted it somewhere which I cannot find just google it Clara Hughes 2024 toronto and look for results from the last 24hrs

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It doesn't but with the Olympics it sets a deadline. Otherwise it will take as long as the politicians want. Ex. the Rail link to the airport is due in 2015 cuz of the 2015 Games. Otherwise it would have been much later.

Another excellent example is the second platform at union - this was first promised to be done for the 2008 olympics.. but the failed bid pushed the project back and the city was dragging its heels a bit until the Pan Am put everything into overdrive. But let's also remember we have atleast one election on every level before a 2024 bid is to submitted..

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I am beginning to think that Atlanta's out-campaigning of Toronto in 1990 has cost Toronto the games for good. To come close to having a strong chance at 2024, Toronto would need Istanbul to win 2020 and no bids from South Africa and the USA. A combination that is not likely. And even then beating Tokyo would be hard.

Canada just doesn't have that premier, iconic city that other countries within our class have. We don't have a London, Rome, Paris, Sydney etc. Canada is a lot like Sweden, Netherlands, Belgium and Switzerland. A country that is greater than the sum of its parts. We just don't have the sexy cities and our status in the world is decling. Just like Netherlands and Sweden did during the 18th century. We were a middling power and now Korea, Brazil, South Africa, Turkey, Mexico, Indonesia, and Poland have surpassed or will surpass us in the coming decades. I just cannot see how Toronto fits in as a Summer Olympic host in the next 4 decades with Paris, Berlin, Istanbul, Moscow, Shanghai, Cape Town/Durban, Tokyo, hell even Seoul, Delhi, Casablanca, Rome....

If we assume that Tokyo, Paris and South Africa will be the hosts from 2020 to 2028, and then the USA. So... I think we will have to look to Calgary 2030/2034/2038.

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