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I would not want an American city bidding if Tokyo wins 2020, and both Paris and Durban bid for 2024. I don't see the U.S. having much of a chance in that race.

Even with 2022 in Europe? (which now seems fairly certain.) I don't think there's any guarantee that either Paris or Durban will bid. It's even possible that neither will -- though probably not likely. Also, Durban is very much an unknown quantity in terms of their technical capacity.

Tokyo 2020 looked like a foolish bid decision initially, but it is developing beautifully. The same could happen with USA 2024. Sitting out the race is a risk. Jumping in is a risk.

One thing I absolutely believe is that the USOC cannot allow Toronto to be the sole North American bidder -- no matter who else is in the race. It's too dangerous.

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Tokyo 2020 looked like a foolish bid decision initially, but it is developing beautifully. The same could happen with USA 2024. Sitting out the race is a risk. Jumping in is a risk.

One thing I absolutely believe is that the USOC cannot allow Toronto to be the sole North American bidder -- no matter who else is in the race. It's too dangerous.

Just shows how you can never call a race even as the field seems to be forming - and how you can't let "expected" opposition dictate whether you'll bid or not. I've got the inkling the idea of facing South Africa may have scared a few bidders off from 2020. And in the 2018 Commonwealth games race, I think Australia basically got it by default because most people expected Abuja to bid and win their second attempt - Oz, NZ and Canada were each playing chicken with each other as to who would step up to face them.

I agree - I think Tokyo is starting to look the VERY overwhelming, slick and intimidating leader at the moment - a lot can happen over the next 12 months though.

I'd like to see Toronto bid for 2024 for the life it would no doubt bring to the board. I've said it before, but I'd shudder to think of the flame wars here if the US steps up against them.

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Even if Tokyo doesn't win 2020 (I'd be surprised), their decision to bid has already been vindicated. This is winnable for them.

I have a lot of respect for Toronto. That's why I don't want to see them bid unopposed by the US. I don't think mud-slinging will help either side. Without the US bidding, Toronto just might eke out a win. With the US bidding I believe that either the US will win or neither will win. I think Vancouver and the politics of the revenue deal plus the USOC's concerted effort to mend relations with the IOC will make it impossible for Toronto to win if the US is in the race. It's not really about technical merit because both nations could stage great Games.

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Tokyo - Toronto ain't gonna happen.

I told ya Rio 2016 - followed by Rome 2020 was NOT going to happen. So Tokyo 2020 will be followed by Durban 2024 (or Paris 2024) but NOT toronto. The law of Random Letter Placements beats the same-letter-host city phenom of the 60s and 70s. The only way Toronto could win 2024 is if Madrid or Istanbul wins AND Durban decides not to bid.

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Whatever - it's not like you Canadians lack in that dept either, ya know.

Like I've mentioned before, a U.S. & Canadian 2024 bids would make the 2008 race, back in 2001, PALE in comparison. Which even then, there were very NASTY Canadians that would come out & chew your heads off if anyone dared to say that Beijing could win.

Needless to say, that they all ate their filthy words in the end.

How can somenone's opinion be wrong. Its like saying your opinion of Brisbane one day hosting is wrong.

you do it all the time. :rolleyes:

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Like I've mentioned before, a U.S. & Canadian 2024 bids would make the 2008 race, back in 2001, PALE in comparison. Which even then, there were very NASTY Canadians that would come out & chew your heads off if anyone dared to say that Beijing could win.

Ooh I'd love another virtual bidding war. Which race was nastier here, 2008 or 2012?

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Even with 2022 in Europe? (which now seems fairly certain.) I don't think there's any guarantee that either Paris or Durban will bid. It's even possible that neither will -- though probably not likely. Also, Durban is very much an unknown quantity in terms of their technical capacity.

One thing I absolutely believe is that the USOC cannot allow Toronto to be the sole North American bidder -- no matter who else is in the race. It's too dangerous.

Well, perhaps other European bids, in addition or instead of Paris, could come out N play. N even with 2022 in Europe, shouldn't be too much of an issue for the Eurocentric IOC, which we've seen them do in the past.

That I agree with. The thing is though, that the USOC needs a worthwhile partner to come forward. Maybe they'll be able to get that..

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Whatever - it's not like you Canadians lack in that dept either, ya know.

Like I've mentioned before, a U.S. & Canadian 2024 bids would make the 2008 race, back in 2001, PALE in comparison. Which even then, there were very NASTY Canadians that would come out & chew your heads off if anyone dared to say that Beijing could win.

Needless to say, that they all ate their filthy words in the end.

you do it all the time. :rolleyes:

When have I attacked a viable USA bid? Please enlighten me. I contributed to the Denver thread and have on record said I would support a New York or Chicago bid if it wasn't against a specific city.

I have never said an opinion is wrong but have disagreed with people. They are two different things.

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Ooh I'd love another virtual bidding war. Which race was nastier here, 2008 or 2012?

2008 for sure, simply bcuz of the overwhelming amont of nasty/high-&-mighty Canadians on a mostly Canadian board back then. Not to mention that there were some Turks, too, that thought that they could win over Beijing, N got rather huffy when others countered their points.

Granted, not all the Canadians on here back then were like that, but the ones that were, were anything but pleasant. Just think of nasty-gnat davidm 10-fold! :wacko:

When have I attacked a viable USA bid? Please enlighten me.

(^) Typical American arrogance. I'd love for Toronto to win over the USA just to rub it in.

Care to "enlighten" me about this comment, then? hmmmm

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Ooh I'd love another virtual bidding war. Which race was nastier here, 2008 or 2012?

I wasn't here for 2008 - though Maxiu's contributions are still stuff of legend from the old timers here.

2012 was pretty viscious - the French-Anglo wars. And lots of sour grapes after the result.

I reckon JJ and his contributions to the 2014 Commonwealth Games and 2016 Olympic races really set the low-marks for the discourse here.

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2008 for sure, simply bcuz of the overwhelming amont of nasty/high-&-mighty Canadians on a mostly Canadian board back then. Not to mention that there were some Turks, too, that thought that they could win over Beijing, N got rather huffy when others countered their points.

Granted, not all the Canadians on here back then were like that, but the ones that were, were anything but pleasant. Just think of nasty-gnat davidm 10-fold! :wacko:

Sign me up for another war, I've been at peace for a year now.

And with a Canada v US war, I'll have to cut ties with my former PC allies FYI and Baron, and chew them up and spit them out for breakfast.

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How did the 2010 race play out here?

Sign me up for another war, I've been at peace for a year now.

And with a Canada v US war, I'll have to cut ties with my former PC allies FYI and Baron, and chew them up and spit them out for breakfast.

I'll have to stock up on popcorn!

Baron versus Ruling Czar/Kerry by Moonlight would be a match up to look forward to!

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2012 was pretty viscious - the French-Anglo wars. And lots of sour grapes after the result.

Still not comparable to 2008, though. Perhaps 2012 could be 2nd on the list, but I don't relish the thought if there is a U.S./Canada 2024 showdown, cuz it could get uglier than 2008. IF there is though, I hope that all the Americans that R here now will still be here for that. Cuz they're gonna be needed!

Sign me up for another war, I've been at peace for a year now.

And with a Canada v US war, I'll have to cut ties with my former PC allies FYI and Baron, and chew them up and spit them out for breakfast.

LMFAO! :P My support for you stopped with PyeongChang! lol

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2008 for sure, simply bcuz of the overwhelming amont of nasty/high-&-mighty Canadians on a mostly Canadian board back then. Not to mention that there were some Turks, too, that thought that they could win over Beijing, N got rather huffy when others countered their points.

Granted, not all the Canadians on here back then were like that, but the ones that were, were anything but pleasant. Just think of nasty-gnat davidm 10-fold!

LOL. You are SUCH a hypocritical blowhard! (Or as you'd write it..."U R SUCH a hippocritical blohard).

You're even worse than Miles. :rolleyes:

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No I believe Rome was touted as a favourite and fair enough about Istanbul.

Ok maybe it was just me who saw Italy's finance as a problem.

Tokyo - Toronto ain't gonna happen.

I told ya Rio 2016 - followed by Rome 2020 was NOT going to happen. So Tokyo 2020 will be followed by Durban 2024 (or Paris 2024) but NOT toronto. The law of Random Letter Placements beats the same-letter-host city phenom of the 60s and 70s. The only way Toronto could win 2024 is if Madrid or Istanbul wins AND Durban decides not to bid.

Or if the "same-letter-host city phenomy of the 60s and 70s" comes back for this bid race

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LOL. You are SUCH a hypocritical blowhard! (Or as you'd write it..."U R SUCH a hippocritical blohard).

You're even worse than Miles. :rolleyes:

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Ok well that link didn't work, don't know how to post photos lol. but it was a picture of Debby Downer because every thread i see you here and Brisbane all you do is spell check and input negative stuff and never anything positive.

Cheer up :)

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No. It wasn't just you. Honestly, I never bought Rome as a favorite. If they were in the race now I don't think I'd regard them as a favorite.

From the outside they may not have been, but remember they have, like, 5 powerful Italians in the IOC and the intersecting other federations. You don't know how powerful a lobby that could've been. I'd be very interested to know how they are exerting their influence in what's left of the race.

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