Toronto?

baron-pierreIV · June 29, 2012

Does no one remember that Madrid crushed both New York and Chicago?

Well, the old Falangist & his allies were still alive. That had something to do with it. I believe the old Samaranch gang, even with Jr. there, is on its last legs.

Athensfan · June 29, 2012

Whilst New York and Chicago might offer a vow factor, Los Angeles may need to work hard to come up with an imaginative new twist ..... unlike London whose 1948 austerity games bailed out the IOC, a 3rd games in LA would be a genuine 3rd selection.

I agree that Toronto might spell trouble for the US, but only if the USOC goes for 2022 or 2026 or if they fail to nurture relationships with the IOC as needed. If the political groundwork is laid properly, it would be tough for Toronto to triumph over a US bid. If the US sits out the race, however, it gets dicier.

In point of fact, LA '84 was also a "bailout". No one else bid for those Games and the Olympucs were in serious trouble because they no longer appeared financially viable. I wouldn't consider election by default to be a "true selection" -- although the "bailout" proved successful beyond anyone's expectations.

FYI · June 30, 2012

There will be government funding unlike the US and this is something that the IOC will like.

Philadelphia and Dallas have made noises but can they genuinely put together as compact a bid as Toronto?

Yeah, but the State & City would still come forward. And the Feds, as before, will flip the bill on security.

I think "compact" bids R blown out of proportion on these forums. Certainly for 2016, Madrid & Tokyo were the most compact, but yet the most spread out venue plan won those Games hands down. N for 2020, we pretty much have the same scenario. The 3 cities that made the short-list, Madrid & Tokyo have the compactness again, but yet Istanbul's plan is spread ou N they still were included to compete for these Games.

Blacksheep · June 30, 2012

Yeah, but the State & City would still come forward. And the Feds, as before, will flip the bill on security.

I think "compact" bids R blown out of proportion on these forums. Certainly for 2016, Madrid & Tokyo were the most compact, but yet the most spread out venue plan won those Games hands down. N for 2020, we pretty much have the same scenario. The 3 cities that made the short-list, Madrid & Tokyo have the compactness again, but yet Istanbul's plan is spread ou N they still were included to compete for these Games.

yes but also Rio and maybe Istanbul offer a true uniqueness in their bids - first games in South America, first Muslim games etc - whilst a city which has already held the games twice won't have that PLUS to outweigh the MINUS of a spread out bid.

FYI · June 30, 2012

yes but also Rio and maybe Istanbul offer a true uniqueness in their bids - first games in South America, first Muslim games etc - whilst a city which has already held the games twice won't have that PLUS to outweigh the MINUS of a spread out bid.

Perhaps. But I'd still venture to say that a "compact" bid alone isn't going to win you the Games. Plus, we still don't know what a new hypothetical L.A. bid might look like to say this early on that it would be a "minus", let alone who else would be in the running that could skew a lot of things. Not to mention that the new revenew deal has been reached, much to the IOC's favor, & the U.S. already having two recent summer bid losses under their Olympic campaign belt.

baron-pierreIV · June 30, 2012

I think "compact" works if say the other cities are too spread-out, "iffy" and not particularly 'exotic' settings. But between a bland Chicago setting and a sexy, never-been-there Rio, "compact" just goes out the door. Just as another 'compact' Toronto, Chicago or Berlin bid will not match up to a virginal Durban bid, no matter how not-ready Durban will be. But I think Durban and RSA have studied this whole Olympic bidding business enough (what with Ramsamy (sp?) on the Exec Board for a number of years now), and I think they will have enough to mount a credible 2024 Durban bid.

Athensfan · June 30, 2012

Perhaps. But I'd still venture to say that a "compact" bid alone isn't going to win you the Games. Plus, we still don't know what a new hypothetical L.A. bid might look like to say this early on that it would be a "minus", let alone who else would be in the running that could skew a lot of things. Not to mention that the new revenew deal has been reached, much to the IOC's favor, & the U.S. already having two recent summer bid losses under their Olympic campaign belt.

Thanks for your openness to that possibility. I mean it sincerely.

Baron, how can you possibly say Chicago is BLAND???!!! Do you know the city at all? It's fantastic. I have no doubt the rest of the world would think so if they had an opportunity to experience the Games there.

baron-pierreIV · July 1, 2012

Baron, how can you possibly say Chicago is BLAND???!!!

I've lived in NYC and San Francisco; I've visited Chicago. Have a cousin there who loves it altho she's beginning to hate the winters and think So. Cal. C's a bustling, large, modern American city but, for me, it just doesn't quite have the real, international cache of NYC and/or the incomparable beauty of SF (coupled w/ SF's more Asian influences) which has a more moderate climate year-round. (And obviously, only 18 IOC'ers thought so as well.)

Edited July 1, 2012 by baron-pierreIV

FYI · July 1, 2012

Baron, please. Stop being so disingenuous. Only 18 members voted for Chicago, n the rest of them didn't, not bcuz they share your "bland" for of the city, but bcuz there was a much bigger picture involved of not so great relationships where it counted. If that's the case, then New York is also "bland" considering only 19 IOC members voted for them in their respective race. N what would that bold for Reno then! :-P

Athensfan · July 1, 2012

I've lived in NYC and San Francisco; I've visited Chicago. Have a cousin there who loves it altho she's beginning to hate the winters and think So. Cal. C's a bustling, large, modern American city but, for me, it just doesn't quite have the real, international cache of NYC and/or the incomparable beauty of SF (coupled w/ SF's more Asian influences) which has a more moderate climate year-round. (And obviously, only 18 IOC'ers thought so as well.)

I didn't hear anyone say that Chicago lost because it is "bland" and I don't think that vote is at all indicative of Chicago's Olympic potential. As you well know, the bid really never had a chance due to a variety of circumstances totally unrelated to the character of the city.

I lived in a Chicago suburb for years and I do know the city pretty well. It is a fascinating vibrant place that I strongly prefer to NYC or SF. I do like SF, but it's really tough for me to imagine the bureaucrats pulling together all the necessary pieces. For me, NYC is just too big and too busy for the Olympics.

Guardian · July 4, 2012

Should Toronto had put forward a bid for 2020? Who knows now. If Toronto does go for 2024, get ready for an American competition a la 1996.

http://www.insidethegames.biz/olympics/winter-olympics/2022-winter-olympics/17547-us-set-to-bid-for-2024-olympics-after-ruling-out-campaign-for-2022-winter-games

Sir Rols · July 4, 2012

Should Toronto had put forward a bid for 2020? Who knows now. If Toronto does go for 2024, get ready for an American competition a la 1996.

http://www.insidethe...22-winter-games

And get ready for a dramatic escalation of US-Canada hostilities on GBids!

FYI · July 4, 2012

^Like I sad a couple of months ago, these boards would be on FIRE if that were to be the case!

intoronto · July 4, 2012

And get ready for a dramatic escalation of US-Canada hostilities on GBids!

USA the clear favourite in sentimental reasons but Canada can spring a surprise. After losing bids in 96 and 02 is it time for a Canadian win?

baron-pierreIV · July 4, 2012

U Toronto boosters are suffering from the same Madrid-itis. By itself, Toronto and Madrid would seem to be strong, solid possible host cities. But their selection is played against a larger canvas of who's bidding...PLUS the clout and size of their respective countries. Spain and Canada (population-wise and sports-strength-wise) are middling countries. As I wrote in another post, Canada now equals Italy and Japan (a country of about 127 million people, #3 economy in the world) in terms of Olympic hostings (1 summer and 2 winters a piece). Only the US and France are ahead. Just because Spain had some clout within the inner corridors of the IOC, the Madrilenos seem to think 60% of the IOC loves them unequivocably. :wacko: Hola??

I mean, Russia and Germany are due for a 2nd Summer Games sometime soon. China, with 1.3 billion vs. Canada's 35 mil?) is due for a Winter soon (which they may get in 2030 now, I guess).

Ur next shot is maybe like a dozen years after the next US hosting (whichever that may be) and perhaps a 30-year spacing between 2010. Actually, pray and support a US 2026 winter bid and that will hasten Toronto's chances.

Edited July 4, 2012 by baron-pierreIV

Gucci · July 11, 2012

Expect to hear more rumblings once London 2012 kicks off.

Let's say something were to happen like it did with the 2020 bid cycle. Rome was touted as a favourite and they withdrew their bid. Istanbul has a very good chance at winning it now. I'm pretty sure people thought Istanbul was a pipedream even before the application process for 2020 became official? You never know what the future holds. You can throw all the "this country has hosted this "X" amount of games" which I understand where your coming from but once a city gets shortlisted they have an equal chance at winning the games. That's just my pov. Toronto will arguably put forth the best bid once again but obviously that isn't enough to win. That takes place after the shortlisting. Basically what I'm trying to say is Toronto will be a very strong competitor regardless. I wouldn't discount them.

I'm starting to think 2024 will be a showdown in the Americas again. I can see Mexico joining in on the fun.