Toronto?

[FYI]

People are happy to think that some how events in Syria are going to have a negative impact on the Istanbul bid however ... despite in being 8 years and a 1,000km away.

If people are going to say Istanbul will be affected by Syria, then Tokyo can be equally impacted by the actions of North Korea.

If we think Syria and their dying regime is a problem, it is not a patch on what might happen if North Korea does a 'Libya'.

And unlike Syria and Istanbul, the North Koreans can actually strike Tokyo tomorrow

First of all, it was never said that Syria "will" affect Istanbul's bid. Other than stating that it woundn't to them any favors if the situation continued to escalate. N went on to even further say that by vote time, it more than likely would've been all forgetten about if this blows over soon. So stop taking things outta context n then embellishing on them.

N second, can we compare apples to apples N oranges to oranges, instead of apples to oranges here. North Korea isn't bidding for the Olympics nor is Japan calling on NATO involvement, like Turkey is, to solve their issues for them.

Now had I said that Istanbul 2020 would be hampered by the loony leaders over there in Iran by maybe getting a bug up their ass one day n sending a few ballistic missiles Turkey's way, then u citing North Korea against Japan would be in context. But as is now, your argument is not comparable. Whoever said that you seem to enjoy making mountains outta molehills may be on to something there.

[intoronto]

Back from 3 days in Toronto, and should say I have been pretty impressed by this city.

Good luck for the PanAm Games in 2015 and let's bid for the 2024 games... I will say a word to Marcel on this ;-)

Did you enjoy ur visit? What did you get too see? Glad to see you enjoyed ur visit!

[memorabilia]

Did you enjoy ur visit? What did you get too see? Glad to see you enjoyed ur visit!

I visited both Air Canada & Rogers Centers, had diner at the CN Tower, had a drink a the historic distillery district, went to the CBC museum & the Hockey Hall of Fame, ... and finally spent one day the Niagara falls !

So good time with great friends and nice weather.... What else !

[Guardian]

Just a thought. If Toronto is going to have a chance to get the Olympic Games in its future, then vote in the federal Liberals to Ottawa. If I read my information right, it seems that Canada wins bids to host the Olympic Games (winter and summer) when the Liberals are in power federally at these moments. So, with the next federal election in 2015, it would be an opportunity for the Liberals to kick the Conservatives out of power, if it can.

[GBModerator]

check the news shortly, Toronto 2024 to become real.

[Athensfan]

What is ludicrous is your lack of knowledge.

The North Koreans have and have successfully tested the Rodong1 missile - basically an updated Scud for you Americans. This was successfully launched in 1993 and has been additionally exported to both Eygpt and Libya. It can be

a) fitted with a nuclear warhead

has a range of 1,000km (proven) with a hit accuracy of 2-4km

North Korean fired successfully 7 of these in 2009 giving Japan the willies

As Tokyo is 800km from North Korea, please explain what is ludicrous about it?

p.s. the missile I believe you were ignorantly referring to was one designed to strike the Hawaiian Islands and West Coast

I am fully aware that North Korea has limited short range missile capability thanks to missiles procured from the former USSR via Egypt. The state of North Korea's nuclear program is uncertain, though many suspect they may have some nuclear capability. I am also aware that the failed tests were for long-range delivery systems that would most likely be used to target the US. The many consecutive failures demonstrate to me a general lack of competence and knowledge that is likely to compromise ANY attack, whether short or long-range.

The fact is North Korea will not attack Japan unless they can strike the US as well. The US will defend Japan with our full military might. The North Koreans would be extremely foolish to aim a couple of scuds at Tokyo without having the weaponry needed to combat the retaliatory onslaught that would certainly come from the US. They would be sentencing themselves to destruction.

In summary, the failure of the long-range missile tests is extremely significant and does safeguard Japan.

[Blacksheep]

I am fully aware that North Korea has limited short range missile capability thanks to missiles procured from the former USSR via Egypt. The state of North Korea's nuclear program is uncertain, though many suspect they may have some nuclear capability. I am also aware that the failed tests were for long-range delivery systems that would most likely be used to target the US. The many consecutive failures demonstrate to me a general lack of competence and knowledge that is likely to compromise ANY attack, whether short or long-range.

The fact is North Korea will not attack Japan unless they can strike the US as well. The US will defend Japan with our full military might. The North Koreans would be extremely foolish to aim a couple of scuds at Tokyo without having the weaponry needed to combat the retaliatory onslaught that would certainly come from the US. They would be sentencing themselves to destruction.

In summary, the failure of the long-range missile tests is extremely significant and does safeguard Japan.

Except in the Korean War, this led the US into direct conflict with China ...... is Japan worth it when push comes to shove?

And nobody can be certain what the increasingly wacky North Korean leadership would do .... the point is that it is at least as dodgy for Tokyo as Syria is to Istanbul

[Quaker2001]

And nobody can be certain what the increasingly wacky North Korean leadership would do .... the point is that it is at least as dodgy for Tokyo as Syria is to Istanbul

I don't know how a Toronto thread has evolved into a discussion of North Korea, but nonetheless..

If the IOC was really concerned about those wacky North Koreans, then perhaps they wouldn't have awarded the 2018 Winter Olympics to North Korea's sworn enemy.

[FYI]

Exactly, which has been pointed out countless times already. But as usual, BS has the wool over his eyes. He's making a mountain outta a molehill with Syria/Istanbul/Japan/North Korea. No surprise there.

[Athensfan]

Except in the Korean War, this led the US into direct conflict with China ...... is Japan worth it when push comes to shove?

And nobody can be certain what the increasingly wacky North Korean leadership would do .... the point is that it is at least as dodgy for Tokyo as Syria is to Istanbul

After WWII the US made a treaty that in exchange for Japan not maintaining its own military the US would provide military defense for Japan. We are honor-bound to fight for Japan and the whole world knows it -- including North Korea. Therefore any attack on Japan is guaranteed to receive an overwhelming response from the US. There is no doubt at all.

Korea was a totally different situation.

[Blacksheep]

Exactly, which has been pointed out countless times already. But as usual, BS has the wool over his eyes. He's making a mountain outta a molehill with Syria/Istanbul/Japan/North Korea. No surprise there.

Actually I wasn't the one who came up with the barmy and ridiculous suggestion that some how events in Syria could have a negative impact on a Istanbul bid

In fact I believe it was you that came up with that pathetic and ridiculous line of thinking

[FYI]

Not anymore pathetic than some of the ridiculous drivel that you come up with. i.e. North Korea stupidly sending nukes Tokyo's way.

[Blacksheep]

Not anymore pathetic than some of the ridiculous drivel that you come up with. i.e. North Korea stupidly sending nukes Tokyo's way.

err, that was in RESPONE to your ludicrous initial suggestions re: Syria and Istanbul

[FYI]

Still made you look like a fool, though.

N "errr", I even conceded that if if the situation didn't escalate & just blew over, that by vote time, it most likely would've been all forgotten about & meant nothing in the end.

Y is it that you constantly take things outta context & then embellish on them. You claim that you don't like it when a certain other poster here does it to you, but yet you hypocritically do it to others all the fricken time!

[Blacksheep]

Still made you look like a fool, though.

N "errr", I even conceded that if if the situation didn't escalate & just blew over, that by vote time, it most likely would've been all forgotten about & meant nothing in the end.

Y is it that you constantly take things outta context & then embellish on them. You claim that you don't like it when a certain other poster here does it to you, but yet you hypocritically do it to others all the fricken time!

Actually the only person who looked a fool was you for raising such a ludicrous suggestion in the first place but considering the source it can hardly be unexpected. Idiot.

[FYI]

So says the "idiot" that can't even read the Working Group report properly which was pointed out by another poster in the Toronto city council thread in the GB newswire section.

N it wasn't anymore of a "ludicrous" suggestion than any of your half-brain drivel. The only thing ludicrous is your constant, childish attitude N insulting N fighting with nearly everyone on these boards, virtually ever since you got here. You're nothing but a complete waste of time N do nothing but degrade these boards with your twaddle. You're going on my ignore list now cuz I'm not wasting anymore of my time with your stupid a$s BS, BS.

[Blacksheep]

So says the "idiot" that can't even read the Working Group report properly which was pointed out by another poster in the Toronto city council thread in the GB newswire section.

N it wasn't anymore of a "ludicrous" suggestion than any of your half-brain drivel. The only thing ludicrous is your constant, childish attitude N insulting N fighting with nearly everyone on these boards, virtually ever since you got here. You're nothing but a complete waste of time N do nothing but degrade these boards with your twaddle. You're going on my ignore list now cuz I'm not wasting anymore of my time with your stupid a$s BS, BS.

Oh didums - have I upset you?

You don't seem to understand so I shall try to avoid big words - I said Tokyo/North Korea when you said Istanbul/Syria because they are both equally to have same impact i.e. zero.

It was your drivel which started it but because you can't take the heat you choose to leave the kitchen. Your choice

And I least I use proper English rather than degrade this board with your txt abbreviations

[Athensfan]

I would say that Tokyo, in missile range of the unstable and widely erratic North Korean regime, has a position issue with this, not taking into account, the terrible environmental problems which exist on the Ring of Fire.

After all Tokyo is closer to Pyongyang than Istanbul is to Damascus.

Actually, Sheep, as the above quote shows, you argued that North Korea is a bigger threat to Tokyo than Syria is to Istanbul.

[Blacksheep]

Actually, Sheep, as the above quote shows, you argued that North Korea is a bigger threat to Tokyo than Syria is to Istanbul.

I argued it was technically closer (800km to 1,000km) merely to illustrate how stupid the suggestion about Syria was

I take it you didn't read the quote you are referring to because no where did I say bigger or larger at all, I merely said that if that was to be considered then Tokyo had similar questions to answer

[Athensfan]

You went on to defend your argument by detailing North Korea's military capability and then chastised me for pointing out their unsuccessful long range missile tests. I explained that North Korea had to be prepared to deal with the US if they attacked Japan and you discontinued the conversation.

Considering you felt North Korea posed no threat to Japan, you spent quite a while trying to prove the opposite.

[Blacksheep]

You went on to defend your argument by detailing North Korea's military capability and then chastised me for pointing out their unsuccessful long range missile tests. I explained that North Korea had to be prepared to deal with the US if they attacked Japan and you discontinued the conversation.

Considering you felt North Korea posed no threat to Japan, you spent quite a while trying to prove the opposite.

How convenient you forgot my mentioning that if that were to occur the Chinese might be drawn in as they were in the Korean War, and for all the typical American sable rattling would they really want that for a localised incident.

I have not said they don't pose a threat. They've a proven record of actions against Japan including the kidnapping of their citizens, but think it is no more likely than some how thinking that Syria might bizarrely impact on Istanbul because they are in the same geographical region.

[Athensfan]

You don't seem to understand so I shall try to avoid big words - I said Tokyo/North Korea when you said Istanbul/Syria because they are both equally to have same impact i.e. zero.

"Zero" sounds to me like you dont see any threat to Tokyo or Istanbul -- which is confusing considering your posting history.

I did not forget your sabre-rattling post. I summarized because we have already had this conversation. Refer back to my original response for a fuller explanation. Suffice it to say that the under no circumstances will the US leave their most important ally in Asia defenseless.

[Athensfan]

Tokyo can be equally impacted by the actions of North Korea

At Seoul 1988, the experienced Kim-Il-Sung was in power, and the North Koreans were still being economically supported by the Soviet Union and China who kept them on a tight leash,

In 2012, the Soviet Union no longer exists, China are trying to wash their hands of the North Koreans, who potentially will become far more volatile in their behaviour as they desperately cling to power. Under the crazier Kim Il Jong, they even attacked and sank the ROKS Cheonan in international waters .... and they've now got an even more unknown and experienced and potentially volatile leader desperately trying to cling to power. If we think Syria and their dying regime is a problem, it is not a patch on what might happen if North Korea does a 'Libya'.

And unlike Syria and Istanbul, the North Koreans can actually strike Tokyo tomorrow

This is an odd post for someone who believes North Korea will have "zero impact" on Tokyo. Which post should we ignore?

[Quaker2001]

And this all has to do with Toronto.. how?

[Athensfan]

And this all has to do with Toronto.. how?

Zip. Im not sure why Sheep brought up Syria or North Korea in the first place (though he claims it was FYI). I was hoping to get to a dead end that would let everybody start over and move on.