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Yeah I'm thinking that the Veledrome from the Pan Am Games will be the Olympic venue. It just makes much more sense since Milton's Veledrome will be a permanent Veledrome facility after the Pan Ams. The 2nd one in North America.

Its too far. Propose a new venue first. If the bid is successful and the IOC okays it then switch

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Its too far. Propose a new venue first. If the bid is successful and the IOC okays it then switch

Or you use the Pan Am venues to you're advantage.

Whatever is used as the athletics venue can serve as a training facility.

The velodrome serves as a training venue on top of a temporary one built for the Olympics.

The aquatics centre in the university serves as a preliminaries venue and training venue on top of a permanent one built for the Olympics.

and so forth...

Some venues such as the Field Hockey stadium could serve the Olympics in an expanded state.

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^^ Only if Toronto proposes something similar to 2008. From my understanding, the 1996 bid utilized as much existing venues in the region, whilst the 2008 bid proposed many downtown venues, with a few existing venues outside of Toronto. Rowing for example was on the waterfront, even though St Catherines would still host Canoeing, they wanted that stunning skyline backdrop which Chicago proposed in 2016.

They must offer a far more compact bid than the 2015 Pan Ams, which could use legacy venues specifically built for the Pan Ams, like the Aquatics Center at the University and the Field Hockey venues. Eliminate St Catherines if possible (so just make rowing and canoeing in the waterfront) and just make it Toronto proper and Hamilton (with possibly Markham, should they get their new major arena).

The key is to be as compact as possible. No point going back to 1996 after presenting such a nice compact 2008 bid.

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^^ Only if Toronto proposes something similar to 2008. From my understanding, the 1996 bid utilized as much existing venues in the region, whilst the 2008 bid proposed many downtown venues, with a few existing venues outside of Toronto. Rowing for example was on the waterfront, even though St Catherines would still host Canoeing, they wanted that stunning skyline backdrop which Chicago proposed in 2016.

They must offer a far more compact bid than the 2015 Pan Ams, which could use legacy venues specifically built for the Pan Ams, like the Aquatics Center at the University and the Field Hockey venues. Eliminate St Catherines if possible (so just make rowing and canoeing in the waterfront) and just make it Toronto proper and Hamilton (with possibly Markham, should they get their new major arena).

The key is to be as compact as possible. No point going back to 1996 after presenting such a nice compact 2008 bid.

I think the best thing to do for a future bid is cluster the venues like RIO is doing. All venues likely (-minus football) can be held in the city proper. The aquatics centre can hold water polo and diving. The Field hockey venue is certainly going to be temporarily expanded if Toronto gets the games. I proposed a venue plan earlier only three-four venues were outside the city proper. The BMX track, mountain biking, archery, tennis stadium and water polo venues would also be the only ones outside the downtown core. @Lord David only canoe slalom was proposed for St.Catherines.

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Interesting to note:

http://www.thestar.com/news/article/1169839--city-of-toronto-surplus-surges-to-292-million-most-of-which-will-help-buy-new-streetcars

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City of Toronto surplus surges to $292 million, most of which will help buy new streetcars"

The city is the only three to refuse a bid, and if they had known of a surplus I am pretty sure they would have bid and likely would have been a favourite to win it all (2020).

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Yeah, but only to a point. You see, Rogge is leaving his post (which is mandatory) next year. The next IOC president may not be as diplomatic as him. However, that said, we do not know who are the candidates to replace Rogge yet.

Of course, Canada is still the only nation that has hosted the Olympic Games and not win a single gold medal. The winter counterpart was remedied by the Canadian performance at Vancouver 2010. Some people stated that Toronto should have bid for 2020. However, that idea could have brought up that "BnC group" from the shadows again. Surprising, those activists haven't shown up, after Toronto's last pitch for 2008. They tried a subsidiary to "dismantle" Vancouver 2010, with no success. Once Toronto and the COC goes ahead with another bid again, you can bet that this group will return.

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Yeah, but only to a point. You see, Rogge is leaving his post (which is mandatory) next year. The next IOC president may not be as diplomatic as him. However, that said, we do not know who are the candidates to replace Rogge yet.

Of course, Canada is still the only nation that has hosted the Olympic Games and not win a single gold medal. The winter counterpart was remedied by the Canadian performance at Vancouver 2010. Some people stated that Toronto should have bid for 2020. However, that idea could have brought up that "BnC group" from the shadows again. Surprising, those activists haven't shown up, after Toronto's last pitch for 2008. They tried a subsidiary to "dismantle" Vancouver 2010, with no success. Once Toronto and the COC goes ahead with another bid again, you can bet that this group will return.

They did for the 2015 Games and were squashed.

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Toronto I am sure would hot a great Olympics, as many cities, would, but isn't a little too soon to be thinking about the Olympics going back to Canada?

Four Olympic Games in under 40 years is extremely significant for a country of Canada's size. Toronto is a very functional city, but it's case just is not at all compelling IMO.

Correction - "three" OG's in 40 years in Canada, not four as I stated.

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Toronto I am sure would hot a great Olympics, as many cities, would, but isn't a little too soon to be thinking about the Olympics going back to Canada?

Four Olympic Games in under 40 years is extremely significant for a country of Canada's size. Toronto is a very functional city, but it's case just is not at all compelling IMO.

Correction - "three" OG's in 40 years in Canada, not four as I stated.

This pretty much sums up my complete and very simplistic feelings about a Torono bid.

It's a city that I would like to see host in the next 25-30 years, but in terms of the next few Olympiads up for grabs, it's just soon for Canada as a whole. In an ideal world we would have had a summer Games in Canada after Calgary, but they went for the Winters and got the Olympic flame lighting up Canadian skies in 2010.

If it was 2024, I guess it would end up being 4 Olympics in just under 50 years... that's pretty wow. I'd be stoked if I was a Canadian at that statistic. I guess though everyone wants an Olympics in their city/nation in their generation. At a time when they can be entirely aware and part of the event , and not just watching old footage and being told about how great it was way back when.

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If you were saying Summer Games then yes, but its a combination of Winter Games too and there are only so many countries that can host the Winter Olympics - especially in North America, so Canada should not be penalised because of this. If Canada decided they were penalised and therefore were not going to bid for the Winter edition again, it would remove a huge potential host from the bidding competition.

Between Montreal and Calgary there was 12 years - between Vancouver and Toronto 2024 (?) there will have been 14 years.

Lets compare with another sporting nation - there were 44 years between Melbourne 1956 and Sydney 2000, so a potential 48 years in being awarded the Summer Games is not unacceptable.

I mean if Madrid wins 2020, then it will have been only 28 years since Barcelona 1992.

Almost 50 years between Montreal and Toronto .... hardly excessive.

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If you were saying Summer Games then yes, but its a combination of Winter Games too and there are only so many countries that can host the Winter Olympics - especially in North America, so Canada should not be penalised because of this. If Canada decided they were penalised and therefore were not going to bid for the Winter edition again, it would remove a huge potential host from the bidding competition.

Between Montreal and Calgary there was 12 years - between Vancouver and Toronto 2024 (?) there will have been 14 years.

Lets compare with another sporting nation - there were 44 years between Melbourne 1956 and Sydney 2000, so a potential 48 years in being awarded the Summer Games is not unacceptable.

I mean if Madrid wins 2020, then it will have been only 28 years since Barcelona 1992.

Almost 50 years between Montreal and Toronto .... hardly excessive.

Exactly! Winter games should not hinder a country from hosting a Summer Olympics. Its almost given that a continent can't host the Games three times in a row, which means every three winter games either Asia/NA have to pretty much host.

As Blacksheep said, Australia a country of a smaller population hosted two games within a shorter distance then a potential Toronto 2024 and Montreal hosting.

@mattygs Canada wanted any Olympics and went at the Summer Olympics twice before deciding to go with the Winter Olympics in 2010.

Toronto bid twice and hopefully third time is the charm.

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But Australia hasn't hosted 2 Winter Olympics, either. They waited 44 years between Olympics. Canada waited 12 years, & then again only 22 years after that. That's quite significant for a country the size of Canada.

An Olympics is an Olympics no matter what. Y can't the Winter Olympics be used as part of the tally as well. If the Winter Olympics don't count, then Y go after them in the first place. People always use the Winter Olympics against ANY other American bid, so what's with the double standards all of the sudden. People also tried using Turin (Winter) 2006 against Rome (Summer) 2020 before they dropped out. So I see no difference here.

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If you were saying Summer Games then yes, but its a combination of Winter Games too and there are only so many countries that can host the Winter Olympics - especially in North America, so Canada should not be penalised because of this.

Yeah, N that would be such a good strategy & selling point, too. "Don't penalize R Summer bid bcuz we're only 1 country out of 2 in North America to host the Winter Games". That should get them a lot of votes. :rolleyes:

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I mean if Madrid wins 2020, then it will have been only 28 years since Barcelona 1992.

But Madrid is unlilkely to win & Barcelona would be one of the factors. Heck if Paris, PARIS is still waiting at almost 100 years, what's 60-70 years for a small nation that's already had 3 Olympics altogether in 34 years,

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But Australia hasn't hosted 2 Winter Olympics, either. They waited 44 years between Olympics. Canada waited 12 years, & then again only 22 years after that. That's quite significant for a country the size of Canada.

An Olympics is an Olympics no matter what. Y can't the Winter Olympics be used as part of the tally as well. If the Winter Olympics don't count, then Y go after them in the first place. People always use the Winter Olympics against ANY other American bid, so what's with the double standards all of the sudden. People also tried using Turin (Winter) 2006 against Rome (Summer) 2020 before they dropped out. So I see no difference here.

Not me, I count the USA bid from the last time they hosted that respective games. Secondly, why is everyone putting Japan as the favourite when 2018 will also be hosted by East Asia? Clearly the summer/winter games should not affect the other.

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I just landed in Toronto for 24h.... Is a local can advise me what should I see & visit to discover the olympic potential of this city ?????

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I just landed in Toronto for 24h.... Is a local can advise me what should I see & visit to discover the olympic potential of this city ?????

Olympic potential? You can visit potential venues like the air canada centre and the Rogers Centre which are within walking distance of each other. The CN Tower is right beside the R.Centre.

Generally speaking the downtown area is where all the venues will be located so take a looke around the harbour as well.

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why is everyone putting Japan as the favourite when 2018 will also be hosted by East Asia? Clearly the summer/winter games should not affect the other.

Bcuz the dynamics of the 2020 race is mainly about which of the 3 candidates (which is already a small field to begin with) provides the LEAST risk to the IOC. N at the moment, that is Tokyo. Surely if the 2020 field was bigger with more credible European options, Pyeongchang 2018 would be more of an issue for Tokyo 2020, but that's not the case here. Plus, Japan N South Korea R in fact 2 SEPERATE countries, whereas Bristish Columbia N Ontario R both in the 'same' of Canada.

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