Toronto?

[Gucci]

Its at least worth a shot, as the media would write about Toronto etc.

Exactly. The city will definitely watch and observe to see who else emerges out from the crowd.

Plus, a lot of other factors are riding on the outcome of 2020.

I say if either Rome, Madrid or even Istanbul win 2020. It will rule out a European contender (ie.Paris) for 2024 leaving it really to North America or Africa with Asia as a contender as well if Tokyo goes for it again.

If Tokyo wins, then Paris looks like a leading candidate once again.

What do you think?

[intoronto]

Exactly. The city will definitely watch and observe to see who else emerges out from the crowd.

Plus, a lot of other factors are riding on the outcome of 2020.

I say if either Rome, Madrid or even Istanbul win 2020. It will rule out a European contender (ie.Paris) for 2024 leaving it really to North America or Africa with Asia as a contender as well if Tokyo goes for it again.

If Tokyo wins, then Paris looks like a leading candidate once again.

What do you think?

Toronto shouldn't bid if a European bid doesn't wins 2020, because 2024 would almost be another 2012. However, I can't really see the IOC awarding Asia a second straight games when other options are available.

[Faster]

I think the best set-up for a Toronto win would be Istanbul winning 2020.

Anyways, Rob Ford should be a non-factor since he should be out of office in 2014, the bid won't even truly get started until 2015.

[intoronto]

I think the best set-up for a Toronto win would be Istanbul winning 2020.

Anyways, Rob Ford should be a non-factor since he should be out of office in 2014, the bid won't even truly get started until 2015.

*2013

[Gangwon]

I think the best set-up for a Toronto win would be Istanbul winning 2020.

That's actually a really good point and I never thought of it that way.

[Faster]

Istanbul would mean a few things:

2 new frontiers in a row (this could damage any SA bid)

A city that can be argued to be Asian, Middle Eastern and European, damaging Europe (Paris, Berlin, Madrid), the Middle East (Doha, Dubai) and Asia (Tokyo)

Add in a European 2022 and 12 years since a NA hosting and 28 since a NA summer Olympics and you have a good combination of factors in your favour.

But in saying this, there are a few key votes from now until 2017 (2019 Pan Ams, 2022 CWG, 2020 World's Fair) that could be used as barganing chips to get support.

Edited November 25, 2011 by faster

[intoronto]

Istanbul would mean a few things:

2 new frontiers in a row (this could damage any SA bid)

A city that can be argued to be Asian, Middle Eastern and European, damaging Europe (Paris, Berlin, Madrid), the Middle East (Doha, Dubai) and Asia (Tokyo)

Add in a European 2022 and 12 years since a NA hosting and 28 since a NA summer Olympics and you have a good combination of factors in your favour.

But in saying this, there are a few key votes from now until 2017 (2019 Pan Ams, 2022 CWG, 2020 World's Fair) that could be used as barganing chips to get support.

2019 likely a South American winner.

2022 South Africa?

2020 Isn't Izmir running?

[deawebo]

Still i think Istanbul is by far the most likely... Many say Tokyo but is too soon afer 2018 in Korea and ouf course harms a Durban bid. Perhaps Istanbul's win will be considered as a "'middle east city" and Paris will be hard. Anyways 2024 must be Chicago or Toronto.

But in saying this, there are a few key votes from now until 2017 (2019 Pan Ams, 2022 CWG, 2020 World's Fair) that could be used as barganing chips to get support.

Euro 2020 is missing here!

[intoronto]

Still i think Istanbul is by far the most likely... Many say Tokyo but is too soon afer 2018 in Korea and ouf course harms a Durban bid. Perhaps Istanbul's win will be considered as a "'middle east city" and Paris will be hard. Anyways 2024 must be Chicago or Toronto.

Euro 2020 is missing here!

Decision for Euro 2020 is in 2014 one year after the Olympics.

[Faster]

And Canada doesn't have voting rights. At least I wasn't aware we were part of UEFA.

[bgdrewsif]

So now we come to 2011. The last Olympics in North America were the largely forgettable 2002 Winter Games in Salt Lake City, Utah. The last Summer Games - and the IOC tends to think of their two babies as separate entities - on our continent were the 1996 Olympics in Atlanta.

http://thestar.blogs.com/travel/2011/11/another-toronto-olympic-bid-this-time-2024-maybe-third-time-is-the-charm.html

Well I don't know what the Canadians think but the 2002 Salt Lake games are still VERY fondly remembered here in the states and still playing a frequent mention in our politics with Mitt Romney still having his management of the games touted as being in his favor to be President of the United States in 2012...

Largely forgettable I think not...

[intoronto]

Well I don't know what the Canadians think but the 2002 Salt Lake games are still VERY fondly remembered here in the states and still playing a frequent mention in our politics with Mitt Romney still having his management of the games touted as being in his favor to be President of the United States in 2012...

Largely forgettable I think not...

Well I don't remember Salt Lake at all. Then again I was in grade 4.

[bgdrewsif]

Well I don't remember Salt Lake at all. Then again I was in grade 4.

Well there never is a better introduction to the Olympics than those made by NBC: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pyt0MI8OSdQ&feature=related I remember them quite fondly... I was a freshman at University that year... wow I feel old...

[bgdrewsif]

And of course Tom Brokaw's tribute to Canada before the 2010 opening ceremony:

Go Canada!

[intoronto]

Well there never is a better introduction to the Olympics than those made by NBC: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pyt0MI8OSdQ&feature=related I remember them quite fondly... I was a freshman at University that year... wow I feel old...

I was in grade 4 that's why. I wasn't a full fledged fan of the games then as I was like introduced in full to the games by our teacher who was a sport fanatic. I remember watching the opening ceremonies for a bit, the gold medal men's game and Beckie Scott's then bronze medal win.

[Guardian]

Who?

Well, I have my guesses, but I will keep them to myself. If I have any say about that potential, I would have to say that half of all the applicant cities for 2020 is making "secret negotiations" to the Chinese. Two of them are definitely not going to the Chinese for sure. One of them is right down the middle.

[walei]

Fair enough. Just thought it would be polite to ask.

This was a piece from Toronto Star that I've read not too long ago.

Another Toronto Olympic bid (this time 2024); maybe third time is the charm?

I try to stick to travel on my travel blog (what a concept). But sometimes I can't help delving into other topics for a bit, especially when it's something as global and political and fascinating as the Olympics.

I headed up the Star's coverage of Toronto's 1996 bid against Atlanta, et al..., and also our coverage of the 2008 bid against Beijing. Both, as I recall, were losing efforts on Toronto's part. I also covered Vancouver's bid Toronto1996for the 2010 Winter Games, which had a happier ending.

It is, therefore, with great interest that I see yet another bid in the making. Bob Richardson, the chief operating officer for the 2008 Toronto bid and an unabashed Olympic junkie, is talking up a bid for the 2024 Summer Olympics.

He'll have to get the okay from Mayor Rob Ford, and probably from the province and also from the feds. First up would be the city, without which nothing happens.

Mayor Ford's team turned away Richardson's effort to drum up support for a 2020 bid, saying the city's financial situation didn't allow for such things. It's a fair point, but in August Councillor Doug Ford - the mayor's brother and sometimes political spokesman - said he'd be open to a bid at a future date.

There was talk of a Quebec City bid for the 2022 Winter Games, which would've put Toronto on ice. But Quebec's mayor ruled out a bid a couple months ago, clearing the decks for a Canadian entry for 2024, at least in theory.

There's still a huge need for better amateur sporting facilities in Canada, especially of the summer variety and most notably in our most populous province. The Pan Am Games would help, but the Olympics are a star of a much greater intensity and would, if handled properly from a financial standpoint, bring in that much more.

I don't know if the security costs are worth it these days, but if you don't mind a billion dollars or two in federal/provincial/local money for fences and x-ray machines and police overtime it could work.

The issue becomes, of course, whether 2024 is winnable. Toronto 1996 bid leader Paul Henderson was right when he said Athens wasn't guaranteed the 1996 Games, notwithstanding it was the 100th anniversary of the birth of the modern Olympics, held in Athens in 1896. He was right, but it was Atlanta that elbowed its way into the winners circle for the 1996 Games.

The Toronto folks knew they were up against it for 2008, when they took on the behemoth Beijing bid.IMG_1332 They shot themselves in the foot with Mayor Mel Lastman's talk about cannibals in Africa, but they were never going to win the 2008 Games unless China did something really stupid on the international front. They didn't, and they ran a very good Games, albeit one lacking in soul (see photo of the famous Birds Nest stadium in Beijing).

So now we come to 2011. The last Olympics in North America were the largely forgettable 2002 Winter Games in Salt Lake City, Utah. The last Summer Games - and the IOC tends to think of their two babies as separate entities - on our continent were the 1996 Olympics in Atlanta.

Here's how the Games have gone since Atlanta: Nagano, Sydney, Salt Lake, Athens, Turin, Beijing. Vancouver. Next: London, Sochi (Russia), Rio de Janeiro and Pyeongchang, South Korea (the 2018 Winter Olympics).

Those bidding for the 2020 Summer Games? Doha (Qatar), Rome, Madrid, Istanbul, Tokyo and Baku, Azerbaijan. The short list comes out next May and the vote will be in 2013.

None of those cities are in North America, of course. But there’s talk of Denver or Reno-Lake Tahoe for 2022, as well as Munich and Norway (a sentimental favourite given the now-legendary status of the Lillehammer Winter Olympics).

The IOC and the United States Olympic Committee still aren’t on the best of terms given disputes over television money and other issues, but there’s at least a possibility of a North American winner. That might scupper a Toronto bid, but, given the vagaries and outright unpredictability at times of the International Olympic Committee, it might not.

Either way, 2024 appears at this early stage to be a lot more winnable than the 2008 effort.

Is it worth doing? I don’t quite know yet. Is it worth watching? Absolutely.

http://thestar.blogs.com/travel/2011/11/another-toronto-olympic-bid-this-time-2024-maybe-third-time-is-the-charm.html

Some valid arguments but the last Olympic Games in NA is 2002 SLC? Journalism fail especially from a Canadian press.

[Soaring]

Some valid arguments but the last Olympic Games in NA is 2002 SLC? Journalism fail especially from a Canadian press.

Canada is Arctic America, not North America...

[intoronto]

Canada is Arctic America, not North America...

Most of Canada lives within an two hours of the States (90%) -.-

[Lord David]

Canada is Arctic America, not North America...

Oh and I suppose that lake you share with Toronto goes on for a couple of 1,000 miles north!

[Lord David]

Now the problem I see with a Toronto 2024 bid, is not necessarily in causing an international incident with the wrong comments, but perhaps technical wise.

It all depends on what Toronto offers. If it's not the compact downtown bid (in spite of having more experience and newly built venues for the 2015 Pan Ams), then perhaps it's not worth getting into. After the offering for 2008, anything less would be somewhat disappointing.

[intoronto]

Now the problem I see with a Toronto 2024 bid, is not necessarily in causing an international incident with the wrong comments, but perhaps technical wise.

It all depends on what Toronto offers. If it's not the compact downtown bid (in spite of having more experience and newly built venues for the 2015 Pan Ams), then perhaps it's not worth getting into. After the offering for 2008, anything less would be somewhat disappointing.

Exactly, even those secret bid leaders have told officials the bid has to be compact unlike the Pan American Games. The venues I proposed a few pages back is very compact (probably the most compact ever).

[mattperiolat]

Well...

I'm very torn on this. See, I'd love to see a SOG in Toronto. I think the city is more than capable, it's in a geographic area that assures lots of ticket sales and as long as the economy does not belly up, the city of Toronto and the nation of Canada should handle it.

BUT...

2024 is a hard race to predict right now. One assume Tokyo will be back since I do not see them getting 2020, especially with the 2018 WOG going to Korea. Assuming Rome wins 2020, that takes Paris out of the running, along with other European cities. If not, one assumes Paris would be willing to do anything including human sacrifice to get the Games at this point. Also very safe to say that an African bid will come forward, either from Durban or Cape Town, maybe elsewhere depending on how things shake out in 2020 and in developing nations.

And then there's the elephant in the room: us, meaning the United States. ASSUMING Reno/Tahoe or Denver is not successful for 2022, I am fairly certain a US city will come forward. God only knows which one it will be right now, but it would make the race interesting.

You could hold a gun to my head and I would not make a prediction here. It would be tough, it would be interesting, but I'd love to see Toronto make the race.

[stark]

toronto has a great chance to become in 2024

[intoronto]

Well...

I'm very torn on this. See, I'd love to see a SOG in Toronto. I think the city is more than capable, it's in a geographic area that assures lots of ticket sales and as long as the economy does not belly up, the city of Toronto and the nation of Canada should handle it.

BUT...

2024 is a hard race to predict right now. One assume Tokyo will be back since I do not see them getting 2020, especially with the 2018 WOG going to Korea. Assuming Rome wins 2020, that takes Paris out of the running, along with other European cities. If not, one assumes Paris would be willing to do anything including human sacrifice to get the Games at this point. Also very safe to say that an African bid will come forward, either from Durban or Cape Town, maybe elsewhere depending on how things shake out in 2020 and in developing nations.

And then there's the elephant in the room: us, meaning the United States. ASSUMING Reno/Tahoe or Denver is not successful for 2022, I am fairly certain a US city will come forward. God only knows which one it will be right now, but it would make the race interesting.

You could hold a gun to my head and I would not make a prediction here. It would be tough, it would be interesting, but I'd love to see Toronto make the race.

A lot of ifs there and if things fall in nicely its possible Toronto could win. However you have to consider that the majority of European countries have their own interests right now such as the Swiss/Norwegians/Swedes/Germans/British etc.

toronto has a great chance to become in 2024