zenica Posted January 6, 2006 Author Report Posted January 6, 2006 No, I´m not interested in 2036. What I want to say is: when 2014 PyoengChang will get the Games, which would be no suprise, the next Games should go to Europe. And Munich would be one of the strongest candidates for 2018. So why Germany should wait 20 or maybe 30 years for the next Summer Games when there is a realistic chance to get the Winter Games very soon (in camparison). When Munich would get the Games 2018, there would be no realistic chance for Germany to get the Games in 2020 or 2024.
baron-pierreIV Posted January 6, 2006 Report Posted January 6, 2006 But why are so sure that 2018 will go to a Munich winter bid? Nothing is set in stone or snow. 2018 could go to Dubai, ya know!!
zenica Posted January 6, 2006 Author Report Posted January 6, 2006 It´s not sure that Munich will get 2018. But Munich will be one of the favorites for this bid. After Vancouver 2010 and PC 2014 (possibly) there should be an European candidate for 2018. Would you wait 20 or more years to see the next Games in your country? Most of these people who decide now will be on the cemetery then. Why not 2018 in LA?
baron-pierreIV Posted January 6, 2006 Report Posted January 6, 2006 Why not 2018 in LA? Because Reno-Tahoe is aiming to bid for (and hopefully, win) the (REAL) 2022 Winter Games, which will be awarded in 2015.
zenica Posted January 7, 2006 Author Report Posted January 7, 2006 Sure, 2022 there is an American candidate possible, so Reno-Tahoe or others would be ok.
zenica Posted January 7, 2006 Author Report Posted January 7, 2006 As part of the security program for the World Cup 2006 the German Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution will check every person who works for the event, from the policeman to the ushers and the people who sell sausages and burgers. The estimated number is about 220,000 people. They have a lot to do ...
zenica Posted January 10, 2006 Author Report Posted January 10, 2006 Regarding the safety problems in the world cup stadiums in Germany, EU has to have a look at this. The responsible EU commission has to push the organisation committee to solve the problems. Also having a look at the Nagano 1998 issue (and also later, I assume) there have to be better controls for big sport events which were held in Europe. Issues like this have to be prevented for the future. Something like in Nagano should no longer be possible - it´s ridiculous.
arwebb Posted January 11, 2006 Report Posted January 11, 2006 Why should the EU look at this? Surely, first and foremost, this would be an issue for the German government.
zenica Posted January 11, 2006 Author Report Posted January 11, 2006 Sure, this is first of all a problem of the German government. The responsible minister is already in action. But EU observes the big sport events in Europe like OG´s, World cups etc. If the organisation committees are not able to solve the problems they have to investigate. The problems in the stadiums are not new. Most of them are already known since the Confed Cup in June.
Westfale Posted January 12, 2006 Report Posted January 12, 2006 The German Bundestag will dicuss the problems. The German cabinet will discuss them too. No need for thr EU to investigate. I dont want the EU to get involved here.
zenica Posted January 12, 2006 Author Report Posted January 12, 2006 Generally i would agree. But EU should have a basic line setting the standards like in environment protection, traffic and so on. The same should be for big sport events in Europe like OG´s, WC, EC etc. It´s only to improve processes and maybe to help, not only the Germans to have better and more safe events.
arwebb Posted January 12, 2006 Report Posted January 12, 2006 The German Bundestag will dicuss the problems. The German cabinet will discuss them too. No need for thr EU to investigate. I dont want the EU to get involved here. And nor should they.
zenica Posted January 12, 2006 Author Report Posted January 12, 2006 If the OC is able to solve it´s problems on it´s own - ok. But since Confed Cup in June these problems are known - nothing happened. This problem has to be solved very soon, before the first match starts.
Westfale Posted January 12, 2006 Report Posted January 12, 2006 If the OC is able to solve it´s problems on it´s own - ok. But since Confed Cup in June these problems are known - nothing happened. This problem has to be solved very soon, before the first match starts. Nothing has happend...?? Where have you lived the past few months? Come on, be fair!!! The roof problems in Frankfurt have been solved and the other stadiums have been fine.
zenica Posted January 13, 2006 Author Report Posted January 13, 2006 Goethe, did you read the "Stiftung Warentest" report where the safety problems are listed? Or do you have the same opinion like Beckenbauer, who said that these people should check bread and toilet paper and should take away their fingers from things they don´t understand. Next defeat of the OC is the cancellation of the opening ceremony as the lawn will be damaged and will not recover for the first match. Didn´t they know this a few monthes earlier? I assume most of the 25 million are already paid so this is nothing that reduces the cost. Not a glorious chapter for the OC
zenica Posted January 14, 2006 Author Report Posted January 14, 2006 the cancellation of the opening ceremony of the Worldcup 2006 in Germany is not a glorious chapter for FIFA. People invested more than 2 years of their time, about 10 million Euro. This is really frustrating for these people. EU should investigate in issues like this when big sport events are in Europe. Culture is also a part of the World Cup and to eliminate it now is ridiculous. IOC, FIFA and UEFA also have to do a lot of reforms to reorganize the hierarchy and make it easier to see through and to work with. How can they do such a shortterm shortminded decision? We should think about it to prevent this for the future. Culture was always part of the sport. To reduce these events only to sport and profit is not the right way. This has to be considered before decision like the cancellation are made. Those people should be eliminated for all times from every function they could do these nonsense.
arwebb Posted January 15, 2006 Report Posted January 15, 2006 Give me one good reason why the EU should get involved in this. This is not their concern.
zenica Posted January 15, 2006 Author Report Posted January 15, 2006 EU should have a clear line, not only because of Worl Cup also for all the other big sport events, to help and if necessary to investigate, in Europe. Especially when organisations have big problems and don´t now what to do. Also when the officials are not the best. It´s nearly the same as in culture, environment, economy etc.
arwebb Posted January 15, 2006 Report Posted January 15, 2006 And what about individual national governments? This is their jurisdiction, not the EU's. Brussels should butt out.
zenica Posted January 15, 2006 Author Report Posted January 15, 2006 The German government will investigate during this week. EU should help only if necessary. More eyes see more.
arwebb Posted January 16, 2006 Report Posted January 16, 2006 It is not necessary for the EU to meddle when national governments can investigate if they see fit. End of story.
zenica Posted January 16, 2006 Author Report Posted January 16, 2006 German government will try to find a solution regarding the problems in the stadiums and to prepare everything for a good start of WorldCup 2006. EU is only for help and transfer of knowledge, nothing else.
arwebb Posted January 17, 2006 Report Posted January 17, 2006 Why am I not convinced in the slightest?
zenica Posted January 18, 2006 Author Report Posted January 18, 2006 Today the German government discussed about the problems with the stadiums. The WorldCup OC denied to have any problems whereas the report says something different. Actually no solution was found. In future this should be observed by an independent party like EU to prevent those differences.
Sir Rols Posted January 18, 2006 Report Posted January 18, 2006 But it's not the EU's role. There are already trans-national international organisations _ the international sports federations _ to keep watch over such events. In the world cup's case, it's FIFA, of course. The next thing, you'll be suggesting the IOC should hand over its entire role to the UN!
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