zenica Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 In times when there are a lot of great sport events like Olympia 2004, football WC 2006, Torino 2006 the European community must also have it´s interest and representation there, beginning with marketing, PR, security, traffic etc, all these questions that are necessary for a good organization. This includes also influence from the first day of the bid until last day of the event (see Athens 2004 where they now have a huge financial problem). There should be a committee which works together with the relevant sport organization (i.e. OC) and bring the whole thing to a good end. Sport is also a part of live and should have it´s place under the roof of the European Community. So the sport events have more power and success. Even smaller countries have a chance to get big events although they have not the budget to do the investment for this. This should be done in coordination with the sport organizations. This is the same with the IOC where some people of the EC should have more influence and a few seats there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintana Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 As a Dutchman, I'm already paying way too much to the EU - about twice as much as any other European - so Spaniards, Portugese and Greeks among others can build very expensive (toll) roads, bridges and stadiums and I'm certainly not willing to pay for Athens 2004, Torino 2006 or London 2012 as well if that's what your suggesting... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Rols Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 Once the EU starts helping to finance such events, they'll also want to have their say too _ and who knows where that would end. I remember reading at the time of Barcelona 92 that the EU under (was it Delors?) were strongly "suggesting" the European teams should march together behind the EU flag and that perhaps the games themselves should take place under the EU rather than the Spanish flag. The Spaniards rightly told him where to go! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arwebb Posted October 11, 2005 Report Share Posted October 11, 2005 And damn right too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zenica Posted October 11, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2005 I see the European committee for sport more as control institution, not to finance the Games. Have a look at Torino 2006. They have tremendous financial problems. Was this really necessary? All the debts have to be paid by the population of the city/country. It is not, that there was made a big loss and nobody cares. Game over. Let´s try another one. EU has several budgets to support projects, also in sports. The money earned through these big events could be used for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zenica Posted October 20, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 20, 2005 IOC has to "renew" their members which are already there for more than 50 years. New people have to take place in the committees. People who are about 50 years so they have about 15 years time to change soemthing. Jacques Rogge has to take the chance and do something. Then we will have no old lady, we will have a vital body which bring up IOC and develops new programs. After several corruption affairs during the last years there is a "renovation" of the IOC necessary in all levels. They should not waste too much time to think about. Things have to be changed now not tomorrow, this may be too late. Regarding this the EU also has to help with new laws, direct help to push the processes without scares. These are the scares of a 70 to 80 years old. This is also the case for other organisations. Don´t choose the 60 or 70 years old president, take the 50 years olds. See the candidateship Platini vs. Beckenbauer, where a 50 years old is vs a 60 years old. The organisations have to be renewed to be vital not to loose power. Every official loves his membership that´s for sure, but they have to know when it´s time to leave. This is the case in all 3 organisations IOC, FIFA, UEFA. Younger people need a chance to get positions in presidency, commissions etc. The people there should not wait until they are too old. Like in sport movement is the most important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted October 20, 2005 Report Share Posted October 20, 2005 IOC has to "renew" their members which are already there for more than 50 years. New people have to take place in the committees. People who are about 50 years so they have about 15 years time to change soemthing. Jacques Rogge has to take the chance and do something. Then we will have no old lady, we will have a vital body which bring up IOC and develops new programs. After several corruption affairs during the last years there is a "renovation" of the IOC necessary in all levels. They should not waste too much time to think about. Things have to be changed now not tomorrow, this may be too late. Regarding this the EU also has to help with new laws, direct help to push the processes without scares. These are the scares of a 70 to 80 years old. This is also the case for other organisations. Don´t choose the 60 or 70 years old president, take the 50 years olds. See the candidateship Platini vs. Beckenbauer, where a 50 years old is vs a 60 years old. The organisations have to be renewed to be vital not to loose power. Every official loves his membership that´s for sure, but they have to know when it´s time to leave. This is the case in all 3 organisations IOC, FIFA, UEFA. Younger people need a chance to get positions in presidency, commissions etc. The people there should not wait until they are too old. Like in sport movement is the most important. "renew" or "exterminate"? :suspect: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zenica Posted October 30, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2005 The EU also has to be fully engaged in the organisation of the OG´s in Torino and London. So the security experts has to work close together and to do everything that things like in Madrid or London do not happen during the Games in the future.The security programs for the Games in Torino, Vancouver and Beijing, later London have to be on highest level because of the actual situation in the world. It´s impossible to think that there could be thousands of dead because of a terrorist attack. These programs have to be developed on highest standard. This will be the case also for the organisators for the next 15 years minimum. They don´t have to give terrorists a chance to get a target for their doing while Games which should be Games in peace and friendship (like it happened in Munich 1972). Let´s hope this won´t happen any more in the future. There have to be, besides own security departments, also involved international organisations like NATO etc. to improve security. The risk will be then on a lower level - but it´s still there. A coordination between all (governments, IOC, international organisations, sport organisations, also the public) is absolutely necessary to observe the situation and to do the right things before it´s too late. Besides doping this is the second important problem which need the full support of all. Without security there will be no organisation of any big event like OG´s, where the organisators give a guarantee for the security of the athets, officials and the auditors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zenica Posted November 1, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 1, 2005 The EU commission for sport has to have a look at the renewal of the international sport organisations regarding membership, periods etc. The should try to convince them to change the structure from a closed club of officials to an open organisation with a lot of younger people with new ideas to change the whole sport and not a club of lobbyists. See also http://www.gamesbids.com/cgi-bin....5;t=821 The Olympic parole is citius altius fortius. This should also be the parole for the organisations, not only the IOC, also UEFA, FIFA etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zenica Posted November 10, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 What about a bid of Munich for 2018? Why the city government and the German OC doesn´t talk together as there is a moment to collect all wishes and thoughts to early start with preparations in 2006. The qualifying is in 2007 - the selection begins. So there is the right time to begin to talk about it. The German OC should very soon find a decision which candidate they want to support. When PC gets the Games 2014 Munich has a very good chance to get the Games 2018 as it is an experienced and strong candidate. The minister for sport should do the first step and take in consideration who will be the candidate. But there is a strong opposition who want to have Summer Games in Germany, not the Winter Games. So winter sport organisations in Germany have to do a lot more to convince the people that they are ready to bid for the Games and host the Winter Games 2018 in Munich. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikel Posted November 10, 2005 Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 What about a bid of Munich for 2018? Why the city government and the German OC doesn´t talk together as there is a moment to collect all wishes and thoughts to early start with preparations in 2006. The qualifying is in 2007 - the selection begins. So there is the right time to begin to talk about it. The German OC should very soon find a decision which candidate they want to support. When PC gets the Games 2014 Munich has a very good chance to get the Games 2018 as it is an experienced and strong candidate. The minister for sport should do the first step and take in consideration who will be the candidate. But there is a strong opposition who want to have Summer Games in Germany, not the Winter Games. So winter sport organisations in Germany have to do a lot more to convince the people that they are ready to bid for the Games and host the Winter Games 2018 in Munich. Yeah, Munich 2018 could be also great! What is really clear is that if PC wins 2014 then 2018 will be the European race of all times: Sofia, Salzburg, Munich, Jaca, and many others :wwww: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Rols Posted November 10, 2005 Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 What about a bid of Munich for 2018? Why the city government and the German OC doesn´t talk together as there is a moment to collect all wishes and thoughts to early start with preparations in 2006. The qualifying is in 2007 - the selection begins. So there is the right time to begin to talk about it. The German OC should very soon find a decision which candidate they want to support. When PC gets the Games 2014 Munich has a very good chance to get the Games 2018 as it is an experienced and strong candidate. The minister for sport should do the first step and take in consideration who will be the candidate. But there is a strong opposition who want to have Summer Games in Germany, not the Winter Games. So winter sport organisations in Germany have to do a lot more to convince the people that they are ready to bid for the Games and host the Winter Games 2018 in Munich. Well, Zenica, they HAVE talked about it. Indeed, they were talking about it earlier this year and considering a bid for 2014, but decided against it (speculation here was that was because Germany wants to concentrate on a Summer Games bid). But, whatever, the idea is there and has been and continues to be explored. Despite what you say, they really have quite a few years to make up their minds if they want to go for it _ the campaiging for 2018 won't begin until 2009 qand the decision won't be made until 2011. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zenica Posted November 11, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 11, 2005 Munich - an excellent candidate for Winter Games 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zenica Posted November 12, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 12, 2005 In the next period of time city mayor Mr. Ude has to engage a lot in the bid of Munich for Winter Games 2018 together with the other responsible people. After WC 2006 the next big event will be the bid for the OG´s 2018. So there have to be the first steps for at as the time is always running. They´ve talked about it early in 2005 but nothing happened until yet. This has to happen during the next few weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zenica Posted November 12, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 12, 2005 Garmisch-Partenkirchen, a sub organisation city which will work together with Munich for the bid 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arwebb Posted November 12, 2005 Report Share Posted November 12, 2005 Why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikel Posted November 12, 2005 Report Share Posted November 12, 2005 Definitely- if Munich bids for 2018 i will support it! :oops: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zenica Posted November 13, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2005 Would be nice when the city government of Munich and NOC Germany will candidate for Winter Games 2018, after the successfull games in Summer 1972. It will be the right candidate for Winter 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guardian Posted November 14, 2005 Report Share Posted November 14, 2005 Garmisch-Partenkirchen, a sub organisation city which will work together with Munich for the bid 2018 Well, Garmisch-Partenkirchen did host 1936. In fact, I'm still a little shocked that it is still the only German site to even host the Winter Olympics so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arwebb Posted November 14, 2005 Report Share Posted November 14, 2005 Where else could host the Games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zenica Posted November 14, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2005 Besides Garmisch there is also a combination possible with Konigssee (bobsleigh), Ruhpolding (nordic), Inzell (skating) plus eventually Munich. After 1936 there should be a second time in Germany. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zenica Posted November 14, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2005 Jacques Rogge want to decide after Beijing 2008 if he wants to be re-elected as president. But first of all he has to restructure and renew the committees before, to give the IOC more competence, flexibility etc. as old seniors do react very slow and younger ones are more flexible and develop new programs. This is what actually has to do with the other people and not with his person. We have an old lady at the moment but we need a young guy which is able to push the sport in world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zenica Posted November 15, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 15, 2005 IOC has a new reglementation which says that countries who don´t fulfill the environmental requirements, where is no peace do not get the Games. This is the right way which is IOC going in cooperation with UN organisations and other International organisations. This standard has to be fulfilled by all future Olympic host cities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zenica Posted November 15, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 15, 2005 Pictures from the possible sub organisation cities for Winter 2018 in Germany: Inzell (centre for ice-skating) Ruhpolding (international center nordic skiing) Koenigssee (bob-sleigh center) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westfale Posted November 15, 2005 Report Share Posted November 15, 2005 Zenica, we had this all before and dont post too large pictures. Its annoying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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