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Rome, Tokyo, Spain, Remitting 2020 SOG In view of the fact that virtually all countries nowadays have reached an acceptable level of Global development and have the capacity to stage the Olympic Game

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your right baron leaders dont reflect on the caliber of a cities bid. however in italy's case i think it does. berlusconi is a chauvinist, arrogant, self obsessed, womanizer who deffinately protray

I think so. They presented logo, plans and everything at conference. This is still the domestic bid, though.

sorry - I didn't see your reply before I posted the link...

Yeah - it seems that Venezia bids too: La Repubblica - Roma contro Venezia sono Giochi all'italiana

I doubt that Venice has a real chance - the city center of Venice is much too small...

I esteem it as a kind of gambit for the tourism in Venice

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sorry - I didn't see your reply before I posted the link...

Yeah - it seems that Venezia bids too: La Repubblica - Roma contro Venezia sono Giochi all'italiana

I doubt that Venice has a real chance - the city center of Venice is much too small...

I esteem it as a kind of gambit for the tourism in Venice

They obviously don't bid with a plan which involves historical venice BUT the "land side", that is Mestre. City of Venice, Mestre district. See the dedicated 3d.

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the pic in the "la Repubblica" article presents another logo:

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as well the corriere dello sport

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which one is the correct?

This must be just the commitee brand, not the logo.

The official bid logo is the one I posted before. A red square with 5colored curves and the script Roma 2020.

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They obviously don't bid with a plan which involves historical venice BUT the "land side", that is Mestre. City of Venice, Mestre district. See the dedicated 3d.

I know that Mestre belongs to Venezia, but I think that there is a problem - if Italy decides to bid with Venezia the world expects, that the Games will be somewhere in the Laguna...

I esteem Venezias bid as public relation - I would understand if Milano, Torino or Firenze would try to bid, but not Venezia...

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I have a gut feeling Rome will be knocked out in the first round of voting. Don't know why. It's weird I know.

No way, the Italian IOC members are pretty powerful inside IOC and their fellow colleagues would not give them this disgrace...

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Why would it be a "disgrace"?

Maybe the Japanese will try to get "save-face" votes again so they won't get 'disgraced' & go out first.

Besides, somebody has to go out 'first', right. That's the argument that's always used for the 1st out, losing 2016 American bid, anyway.

If it can't be a disgrace for the U.S. going out first, why should it matter if it's Italy.

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Exactly. Unless there's an obviously very weak bid which stays on longer than yours, going out first in a race isn't a "disgrace" but rather a risk all bids have to realise is there. In that sense, I wonder how Moscow felt going out before a stadiumless NYC bid 5 years ago (that result has barely been discussed on here actually); but that's for another thread. This thread's about Italy, and we don't know if they'll even bid yet, let alone how strong that bid will be.

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Unless there's an obviously very weak bid which stays on longer than yours, going out first in a race isn't a "disgrace" but rather a risk all bids have to realise is there. In that sense, I wonder how Moscow felt going out before a stadiumless NYC bid 5 years ago (that result has barely been discussed on here actually)

But NYC didn't go stadium-less into the vote. They scrambled to get a back-up stadium plan in queens (the Dodgers one, if I'm not mistaken, but they had a back-up).

Besides, can't that same 2012 Moscow parallel be used for 2016? How did Chicago feel going out well before Rio's far more spread-out venue plan that lacked in accommodations & using seperate stadiums for the ceremonies & athletics.

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Not really no. Rio's bid was weaker than the others but not so weak that Chicago going out before it was a disgrace. In case you missed the point, I was agreeing with your first post. It wouldn't be a disgrace if Italy went out first because it's a risk all bids take, and one which in a race with a line up of varying, but generally very strong bids, shouldn't be taken too personally.

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I have a gut feeling Rome will be knocked out in the first round of voting. Don't know why. It's weird I know.

I have weird feelings Rome won't even pass the domestic race. Those Veneti can be really tricky when they want to.

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... do you think that Venezia has a chance in the international competition about hosting Olympic Summer Games?

Not really. Rather, I have feelings that things may turn out to favour some inner polical game over a strategic view.

Afterall, it's not just about the olympics. National politics is involved too.

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Not really. Rather, I have feelings that things may turn out to favour some inner polical game over a strategic view.

Afterall, it's not just about the olympics. National politics is involved too.

Interesting - I am not au fait with the Italian interior politics, therewith I would like to know why do you think that Venezia would have a chance vs. Roma?

Is it that Berlusconi rely on the Lega Nord? Is Venezia ruled by the Lega Nord? Which party rules Roma?

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That's the political situation...both in Rome and Venice all the main parties support the respective bids

Gianni Alemanno,mayor of Rome:PDL (centre-right),

Massimo Cacciari,mayor of Venice:PD (centre-left),

Nicola Zingaretti,president of the province of Rome:PD (centre-left)

Francesca Zaccariotto,president of the province of Venice:Northern League (centreright,allied with PDL)

Giancarlo Galan,president of Veneto region:PDL (centre-right)

the presidency of Latium region is vacant after a sex scandal involving the former president Piero Marrazzo:PD (centre-left)

in march there will be the regional elections in both Veneto and Latium and the municipal elections in Venice!

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