2030 Commonwealth Games

[Victorian]

1 minute ago, yoshi said:

Still interesting though because it means they've got at least two candidates. Assuming that one is Hamilton and they've got 2030...where's the other one? NZ? South Africa trying again? Is there maybe more than one, for a real bid process?

I suspect an african bid for 2034 and this long lead time will allow the CGF to work with the country(s) to help deliver a successful games into Africa.

[AustralianFan]

Hamilton, Canada,  is getting serious about their 2030 CWG bid:

 

[AustralianFan]

“Katie Sadleir, chief executive of the Commonwealth Games Federation (CGF), set out the goal during the last day of SportsPro APAC, revealing that several countries are interested.”

 

[AustralianFan]

(apologies forthe previous repeat post) 

[Sir Rols]

Multi-country bids? Intriguing. But who?

Singapore-Malaysia? That could be cool.

Australia-NZ? Personally, I’m sick of them coming to Oz, and I don’t think it’s good or healthy for Australia and Britain being the only ones that have been bailing them out from dyng.

Sri Lanka-India? Not sure they get on well enough. Even worse so India-Pakistan.

Africa? West Indies? Either could be possible, but the colonial legacy has become rather problematic in both in recent times.

[Victorian]

A bit of a delayed post from September...

It is though interesting and pleasing to see that CWG hope to lock in hosts for 2030 and 2034 way in advance. This is great for the stability of the Games and provides opportunities for these hosts to host a terrific games with years of preparation. It would also lock in hosts early ahead of what is an interesting period for the Games with Queen Elizabeth II no longer sovereign. 

Unless something drastic happens, it seems like Hamilton, Canada is all but locked in to host in 2030. I fully back this in because by then, it would have been 36 years since Canada hosted the Games. There have of course been some false starts along the way, Hamilton lost the vote for the 2010 Games which in hindsight would have been the better option, Halifax bidded for 2014 before withdrawing, Edmonton bidded for 2022 before withdrawing, as did Victoria, BC in the second bidding process. Victoria, Edmonton, Calgary and Hamilton all flirted with the idea of hosting in 2026 with Hamilton seen as the front runner to host in 2026 for quite some time before refocussing their bid towards 2030. I fully back a 2030 Hamilton bid for 2030. In a historical Games, hosting the Centenary edition of the Games, the Games may return to their birthplace in Hamilton. It just makes sense. Hopefully Hamilton is announced as hosts for 2030 and I hope to be in attendance. Could Hamilton's 2030 Commonwealth Games bid though be affected if Vancouver decide to pursue the 2030 Winter Olympics and more so, win the bid?

After 2030, who would be next?

I would love to see the Games return to New Zealand however the Government doesn't seem to want to back a multi sport event for that country which is a deep deep shame. With the flexible hosting method for the Games now, they could host it across the country or at the very least either a north island or south island based Games.

A multi nation games? That would help the smaller nations host the Games. Ideas for a multi nation games could include:

A Pacific Games with hosts in PNG, Fiji and a few of the other Pacific nations. That would be special.

An African Games. Africa have bidded for the Games before like 2014 with Abuja but they lost to Glasgow. Maybe by partnering together, they might get a Commonwealth Games. They already are hosting the Youth Olympic Games in 2026 although that is not in a Commonwealth country.

Singapore-Malaysia as suggested above. Although both countries could easily host on their own. Why don't they? Singapore would make a terrific Commonwealth Games. 

Like another suggestion, a West Indies game would also be great and I could definitely see it happening although those countries may look to exit the Commonwealth in the years to come.

 

 

 

[2018]

19 hours ago, Sir Rols said:

Multi-country bids? Intriguing. But who?

Singapore-Malaysia? That could be cool.

Australia-NZ? Personally, I’m sick of them coming to Oz, and I don’t think it’s good or healthy for Australia and Britain being the only ones that have been bailing them out from dyng.

Sri Lanka-India? Not sure they get on well enough. Even worse so India-Pakistan.

Africa? West Indies? Either could be possible, but the colonial legacy has become rather problematic in both in recent times.

Canada/Jamaica/Gibraltar is one. With netball in Jamaica and Gibraltar hosting shooting. 

 

[Sir Rols]

8 hours ago, 2018 said:

Canada/Jamaica/Gibraltar is one. With netball in Jamaica and Gibraltar hosting shooting. 

 

That’s pretty excessively widespread and eclectic mix. 

Canada would have no need to co-host with anyone. It would just be throwing events offshore for the gesture. Maybe if Newfoundland was still a separate entity…

Jamaica, already a past host, I reckon would fit better as a West Indies/Caribbean games (could you imagine Jamaica and the Bahamas fighting over who gets to host athletics ).but as @Victorianpointed out, they’re just as likely to leave the Commonwealth soon as to host it’s most high profile meet.

As for Gibraltar? Apart from the fact it’s closer to Mother England than it is to Canada, shooting’s probably all it would be equipped to host. But as a left-of-field thought bubble, what about a Mediterranean games - Malta-Cyprus-Gibraltar?

As an aside, I remember trying to put together a Malta bid book for a GamesBids CWG bidding comp a long while ago - and even as a theoretical fantasy scenario, it was difficult to conceive a workable plan.  

Edited January 14, 2023 by Sir Rols

[Victorian]

2 hours ago, Sir Rols said:

That’s pretty excessively widespread and eclectic mix. 

Canada would have no need to co-host with anyone. It would just be throwing events onshore for the gesture. Maybe if Newfoundland was still a separate entity…

Jamaica, already a past host, I reckon would fit better as a West Indies/Caribbean games (could you imagine Jamaica and the Bahamas fighting over who gets to host athletics ).but as @Victorianpointed out, they’re just as likely to leave the Commonwealth soon as to host it’s most high profile meet.

As for Gibraltar? Apart from the fact it’s closer to Mother England than it is to Canada, shooting’s probably all it would be equipped to host. But as a left-of-field thought bubble, what about a Mediterranean games - Malta-Cyprus-Gibraltar?

As an aside, I remember trying to put together a Malta bid book for a GamesBids CWG bidding comp a long while ago - and even as a theoretical fantasy scenario, it was difficult to conceive a workable plan.  

a GamesBids CWG Bidding comp?? I like the sound of that! Bring it back!!!

[ulu]

8 hours ago, 2018 said:

Canada/Jamaica/Gibraltar is one. With netball in Jamaica and Gibraltar hosting shooting. 

 

Surely Canada can find somewhere to host shooting.

[Sir Rols]

44 minutes ago, Victorian said:

a GamesBids CWG Bidding comp?? I like the sound of that! Bring it back!!!

Well, to indulge a slight off-topic detour (I do like discussing the board comps).

in my time here, even when the board was far more active I think I’ve only ever seen one bid book comp that worked (and that was way, way back).lots of others started off with the best of intentions, but almost always fizzled out when people who were keen to sign up realised how much work they entailed (a bid book, fantastical or not, is a BIG undertaking), or differences in opinion over how realistic or fantastical they could be and how to score them. 

That’s why logo comps have always worked best. Nice and simple rules, and judging all down to personal taste and preferences. 

We did do a CWGs logo comp once. And a WC logo comp (that was fun - I loved the scoring system based on the WC tournament format. It would be fun to do that again when FIFA changes their event logo types).

[Scotguy II]

The NZ media have yet again reported on a possible Auckland Commonwealth Games bid following the massive success of the recent ASB Classic Tennis tournament, which they have reported as being a potential rival to the Australian Open

Jacinda Ardern needs to pull something out of the bag before September this year otherwise it looks as if she will be voted out of office.

[Victorian]

4 minutes ago, Scotguy II said:

The NZ media have yet again reported on a possible Auckland Commonwealth Games bid following the massive success of the recent ASB Classic Tennis tournament, which they have reported as being a potential rival to the Australian Open

Jacinda Ardern needs to pull something out of the bag before September this year otherwise it looks as if she will be voted out of office.

 

54 minutes ago, Sir Rols said:

Well, to indulge a slight off-topic detour (I do like discussing the board comps).

in my time here, even when the board was far more active I think I’ve only ever seen one bid book comp that worked (and that was way, way back).lots of others started off with the best of intentions, but almost always fizzled out when people who were keen to sign up realised how much work they entailed (a bid book, fantastical or not, is a BIG undertaking), or differences in opinion over how realistic or fantastical they could be and how to score them. 

That’s why logo comps have always worked best. Nice and simple rules, and judging all down to personal taste and preferences. 

We did do a CWGs logo comp once. And a WC logo comp (that was fun - I loved the scoring system based on the WC tournament format. It would be fun to do that again when FIFA changes their event logo types).

I had to make an Olympics bid for my Year 9 Geography Tourism assignment. I got 100% A+ with my Melbourne bid. 

[TorchbearerSydney]

Q: NZ ASB Classic Tennis tournament, which they have reported as being a potential rival to the Australian Open

 

What are people smoking over there......This is a men's 250 tournament, following a women's 250 tournament.

Here in Adelaide we have just had a women's 500, another women's 500, a men's 250 and another men's 250.

 

The Aus Open is a Grand Slam mens 2000, and womens 2000 tournament!!!!

[ulu]

6 hours ago, Scotguy II said:

The NZ media have yet again reported on a possible Auckland Commonwealth Games bid following the massive success of the recent ASB Classic Tennis tournament, which they have reported as being a potential rival to the Australian Open

Jacinda Ardern needs to pull something out of the bag before September this year otherwise it looks as if she will be voted out of office.

Massive success? The women's tournament was almost rained out with a lot of matches having to be conducted indoors without spectators.

[Scotguy II]

3 minutes ago, ulu said:

Massive success? The women's tournament was almost rained out with a lot of matches having to be conducted indoors without spectators.

I am just relaying what the news outlets and media were saying - maybe that constitutes a massive success in new zealand  

[Sir Rols]

The Oz Open’s a Grand Slam. It’s status is secure.

I  just put it down to a bit of parochial exaggeration by the NZ media. All local media do it. The Oz media’s also fond of beating its chest about every two bit event that takes place here, even if no-one else in the world notices it’s on.

[Sir Rols]

On 8/22/2022 at 7:35 PM, Australian Kiwi said:

Surely Canada is capable of both in the one year? They're different provinces. 

Technically and materially I’m sure they could. Politically and economically it might be a harder sell. Canada seems to be a country where priorities of government spending are increasingly under scrutiny. The question of supporting a sports event versus other spending needs (health, education, social infrastructure) is hard enough to sell, much less two big expensive sports events in the one year. Also, there’s the question of clashes when trying to sign up corporate sponsors to one event or the other.

It occurred to me last night there might also be a potentially divisive problem Canada faces if or when deciding to support one event or the other. The optics of indigenous rights versus colonial heritage.

Indigenous reconciliation is an issue many of us Commonwealth countries - Canada, Oz, NZ - wrestle with. And it can be fertile for divisiveness. Here in Oz, we’re facing a referendum on an Indigenous Voice to Parliament later this year. And while I trust and am cautiously confident Australians will approve it, I also fear how the right wing rearguard will weaponise it to sow division. Not to mention we have Australia Day/Invasion Day just around the corner. I’m also aware of the heat the topic can raise in Canada, on such issues as indigenous children in orphanages etc.

The Vancouver 2030 bid has/had been sold as the first “Indigenous led bid” (whatever that entails - at the end it still requires public money and infrastructure to stage them). When the BC Provincial government last year said it would not fund the event/bid, this already stirred a negative reaction from the First Nations, who described it as a “setback for reconciliation”.  It made a political/economic decision a politically charged one.

Now, consider the optics if the government (as would be necessary) decides to support a Hamilton 2030 CWGs bid. Fine, it should be a worthy event to support. But it could also be construed as a slap in the face to an indigenous-led event in favour of one  that can be painted as a celebration of British colonialism, white settlement and native dispossession. Not a good look at all. If I can think of it, I’m pretty sure some of the more militant First Nations representatives will also note it.

 

 

 

[2018]

On 1/13/2023 at 8:17 PM, ulu said:

Surely Canada can find somewhere to host shooting.

The 2015 Pan Am Venue is still operational, about 90 minutes away from Hamilton. 

[2018]

On 1/14/2023 at 7:02 PM, Sir Rols said:

Technically and materially I’m sure they could. Politically and economically it might be a harder sell. Canada seems to be a country where priorities of government spending are increasingly under scrutiny. The question of supporting a sports event versus other spending needs (health, education, social infrastructure) is hard enough to sell, much less two big expensive sports events in the one year. Also, there’s the question of clashes when trying to sign up corporate sponsors to one event or the other.

It occurred to me last night there might also be a potentially divisive problem Canada faces if or when deciding to support one event or the other. The optics of indigenous rights versus colonial heritage.

Indigenous reconciliation is an issue many of us Commonwealth countries - Canada, Oz, NZ - wrestle with. And it can be fertile for divisiveness. Here in Oz, we’re facing a referendum on an Indigenous Voice to Parliament later this year. And while I trust and am cautiously confident Australians will approve it, I also fear how the right wing rearguard will weaponise it to sow division. Not to mention we have Australia Day/Invasion Day just around the corner. I’m also aware of the heat the topic can raise in Canada, on such issues as indigenous children in orphanages etc.

The Vancouver 2030 bid has/had been sold as the first “Indigenous led bid” (whatever that entails - at the end it still requires public money and infrastructure to stage them). When the BC Provincial government last year said it would not fund the event/bid, this already stirred a negative reaction from the First Nations, who described it as a “setback for reconciliation”.  It made a political/economic decision a politically charged one.

Now, consider the optics if the government (as would be necessary) decides to support a Hamilton 2030 CWGs bid. Fine, it should be a worthy event to support. But it could also be construed as a slap in the face to an indigenous-led event in favour of one  that can be painted as a celebration of British colonialism, white settlement and native dispossession. Not a good look at all. If I can think of it, I’m pretty sure some of the more militant First Nations representatives will also note it.

 

 

 

The Canadian government has made it clear it would only support 2 major multi sports events every 10 years, so in theory its possible. In the same year? Hard to answer that, but the feds supported both Vancouver and Hamilton. 

[Victorian]

 

[Victorian]

 

 

[Apple]

It appears Hamilton's bid for 2030 Commonwealth Games is dead. The province missed the deadline to commit funding. 

 

https://www.thespec.com/news/hamilton-region/2023/02/14/hamilton-100-bid-for-commonwealth-games-dismissed.html?utm_source=twitter&source=thespec&utm_medium=SocialMedia&utm_campaign=&utm_campaign_id=&utm_content=

[intoronto]

This is the right decision, with boneheaded decisions to have venues in other countries.

Hopefully Calgary pulls through

[Sir Rols]

Hopefully anything in Canada pulls through. Don’t want it to go to another bunch of Victorian towns who missed out in ‘26.