2030 Commonwealth Games

[Alexjc]

22 hours ago, Victorian said:

Without federal government support, this means nothing sadly. If this is genuine, could we see CWG skipping 2026 and going for 2030? There is precedence (YOG gap from 2018 to 2026)

We don't have a Federal Govt...New Zealand is not made up of a federation of states. We have a Central Govt. 

And yes, they would need to help out, as they do for international events NZ hosts. They are interested but 2030 could be cutting it fine and there is the large spectre on the horizon...2040. 

[yoshi]

Why is 2040 a spectre? You want the big one, an Auckland Olympics?

[Scotguy II]

Where would the athletics take place?

NZ Central government would be better funding the wellington water network before the city runs out of water rather than a comm games 

[Victorian]

2 hours ago, Scotguy II said:

Where would the athletics take place?

NZ Central government would be better funding the wellington water network before the city runs out of water rather than a comm games 

Nga Puna Wai Athletics Track with temporary grandstands

[Scotguy II]

I honestly don't think that this would get any money from central government. They have already cut many big projects due to the costs plus they are beginning multiple legal and cultural battles with Maori that is likely to engulf the country over the next few years. 

its a nice thought but NZ has too many problems that need fixing first before millions/billions being spent on this. I doubt the majority of the public would support it.

[Alexjc]

15 hours ago, Scotguy II said:

Where would the athletics take place?

NZ Central government would be better funding the wellington water network before the city runs out of water rather than a comm games 

 now now now Scotguy...they call that idea 3Waters....

[Alexjc]

12 hours ago, Scotguy II said:

I honestly don't think that this would get any money from central government. They have already cut many big projects due to the costs plus they are beginning multiple legal and cultural battles with Maori that is likely to engulf the country over the next few years. 

its a nice thought but NZ has too many problems that need fixing first before millions/billions being spent on this. I doubt the majority of the public would support it.

Agree, but Central Govt will support larger singular events such as the 2027 Women's Lions tour and the 2029 Lions tour. Probably help Auckland with a 2027 America's Cup host bid if Team NZ successfully defends the Auld Mug this year. 

Remember that the 2030 proposal is just that... A proper study will get back to Council in August. Already the proposal to move track cycling and some netball to Invercargill has prick the ears of that city as well as Queenstown for the mountain bike and BMX events. 

[Gonzo]

Ok so we finally have 2026 locked in now, so what about 2030? WHERE? 

[Alexjc]

5 hours ago, Gonzo said:

Ok so we finally have 2026 locked in now, so what about 2030? WHERE? 

I believe the CGF will call these games as the last...Or find a host for the 2030 games next year and finish it then.

 

[Victorian]

4 hours ago, Alexjc said:

I believe the CGF will call these games as the last...Or find a host for the 2030 games next year and finish it then.

 

I disagree

[Victorian]

9 hours ago, Gonzo said:

Ok so we finally have 2026 locked in now, so what about 2030? WHERE? 

Weren't Nigeria keen? Malaysia were interested in 2026 but needed more time, would an extra four years be the time they needed so they could host 2026? Would NZ be interested?

[myki]

A few months ago Accra was interested for 2026. Perhaps this was due to them just hosting the African Games and having all the facilities available. May not be the case for 2030 though.

[Victorian]

Just now, myki said:

A few months ago Accra was interested for 2026. Perhaps this was due to them just hosting the African Games and having all the facilities available. May not be the case for 2030 though.

For an African Games, it would be beneficial to host with some lead time and not just two years like Glasgow will be having. Accra could host in 2030 given they would have six years of planning and preparation time. 

[Brekkie Boy]

Rightly or wrongly an African games always feels like a risk - even more so after Durban 2022 failed to materialise - and at the moment perhaps a risk not worth the CGF taking, even if they don't have any other choice, considering the current travel advise around Ghana isn't great.   In some ways though if the facilities are built a shorter turnaround might be safer when it comes to Ghana hosting, although the world in general feels politically less stable now so nowhere really is an absolutely safe bet.

[Alexjc]

20 hours ago, Brekkie Boy said:

Rightly or wrongly an African games always feels like a risk - even more so after Durban 2022 failed to materialise - and at the moment perhaps a risk not worth the CGF taking, even if they don't have any other choice, considering the current travel advise around Ghana isn't great.   In some ways though if the facilities are built a shorter turnaround might be safer when it comes to Ghana hosting, although the world in general feels politically less stable now so nowhere really is an absolutely safe bet.

Agree, considering the failed Abuja 14 bid, and then the Durban pull out for 22...This is high risk BUT if we are going to see a 10 or 12 core sports event returning with the sustainable model in action...

India is now looking for Mumbai to put up a bid for 2030 which also be quite moot if a CWGs is a go...The Centennial games. India with its massive hidden wealth and resources could afford to host the new smaller format.

Singapore may even be encouraged to bid as well.

Edited September 20 by Alexjc

[brasilolimpico]

India is theoretically the best choice.

They don't have any major sporting events available, with China and the Arab countries monopolizing most of the events that opt for Asia. If India wants to bid for the Olympics, they need to show they can successfully host a sporting event, even if that means a scaled-down Commonwealth Games, but I think the Games Federation will happily support any bid that means a return to the big games model.

However, I have my doubts about the level of enthusiasm that Nerendra Modi has for the Commonwealth, given his nationalist government and various policies that replace themes related to the Raj.

Without India, the Games will need to try to convince Canada, Malaysia or accept an African country (Ghana?).

If the Commonwealth wants to keep the Games alive, it would ideally need to convince the Persian Gulf states or at least Egypt to join the Commonwealth.

At worst, invite Brazil to the Commonwealth, we are not former British colonies, but at least the royalty is popular here.

[Josh0108]

Although India has its sights set on the 2036 Olympics, hosting the 2030 Commonwealth Games could work as a dress rehearsal for the earlier if Ahmedabad were to host.

[brasilolimpico]

18 minutes ago, Josh0108 said:

Although India has its sights set on the 2036 Olympics, hosting the 2030 Commonwealth Games could work as a dress rehearsal for the earlier if Ahmedabad were to host.

Yes, but with the IOC choosing the venue earlier and earlier, one can imagine that the Olympic city will at best be chosen before 2029. 

I believe the Commonwealth Games could serve as a showcase for a 2040 bid.

In any case, I don't see India as a favorite for 2036. The only argument that could make the IOC go there is the interest in growing the Olympic audience in an important emerging market, and that seems to be something the IOC is interested in, especially after Cricket joined the Olympic program.

I still think that for the political nationalism prevailing in India, the Commonwealth Games may not be that interesting.

[Brekkie Boy]

It's a shame Singapore seemingly are uninterested considering they have the legacy of the Youth Olympics.   I think for them smaller single sport events at a world level seem to be the priority.

[Josh0108]

Singapore would also be a great choice too, as they've never hosted the Commonwealth Games before.

[Victorian]

3 hours ago, brasilolimpico said:

India is theoretically the best choice.

They don't have any major sporting events available, with China and the Arab countries monopolizing most of the events that opt for Asia. If India wants to bid for the Olympics, they need to show they can successfully host a sporting event, even if that means a scaled-down Commonwealth Games, but I think the Games Federation will happily support any bid that means a return to the big games model.

However, I have my doubts about the level of enthusiasm that Nerendra Modi has for the Commonwealth, given his nationalist government and various policies that replace themes related to the Raj.

Without India, the Games will need to try to convince Canada, Malaysia or accept an African country (Ghana?).

If the Commonwealth wants to keep the Games alive, it would ideally need to convince the Persian Gulf states or at least Egypt to join the Commonwealth.

At worst, invite Brazil to the Commonwealth, we are not former British colonies, but at least the royalty is popular here.

The CGF CEO and President have been in India meeting with government officials so maybe they are discussing future bidding opportunities. I note that Chris Jenkins also previously held talks with Malaysian government officials in Paris too so maybe this is a case of the CGF trying to sell the Games bidding benefits to countries that they would like to one day step up as hosts in the near future?

[Victorian]

2 hours ago, Brekkie Boy said:

It's a shame Singapore seemingly are uninterested considering they have the legacy of the Youth Olympics.   I think for them smaller single sport events at a world level seem to be the priority.

Singapore would be a perfect host and could stage the Games so easily given their facilities and transport. With Glasgow, the biggest issue will be the lack of capacity at the Athletics stadium and needing to build temp grandstands - Singapore and KL would not have this issue with Athletics stadiums already built. Both also have plenty of other sporting facilities too.

[Victorian]

3 hours ago, brasilolimpico said:

Yes, but with the IOC choosing the venue earlier and earlier, one can imagine that the Olympic city will at best be chosen before 2029. 

I believe the Commonwealth Games could serve as a showcase for a 2040 bid.

In any case, I don't see India as a favorite for 2036. The only argument that could make the IOC go there is the interest in growing the Olympic audience in an important emerging market, and that seems to be something the IOC is interested in, especially after Cricket joined the Olympic program.

I still think that for the political nationalism prevailing in India, the Commonwealth Games may not be that interesting.

2036 will be a Europe Games. After two Games in other regions (North America in 28 and Oceania 32), the IOC would be keen to return the Games to Europe. That also narrows down the candidates. Then, 2040 would the time for an Asian Games once again.

[brasilolimpico]

1 hour ago, Victorian said:

The CGF CEO and President have been in India meeting with government officials so maybe they are discussing future bidding opportunities. I note that Chris Jenkins also previously held talks with Malaysian government officials in Paris too so maybe this is a case of the CGF trying to sell the Games bidding benefits to countries that they would like to one day step up as hosts in the near future?

With all this desperation to find someone to host in 2026, I imagine some level of deeper conversation has taken place with some countries like Malaysia.

I think Malaysia, India and Singapore are good names for 2030.

Looking to the future, if they manage to secure one of the three for 2030, they should look at Canada or an African country for 2034.

We need to give Australia a break.

[Victorian]

2 hours ago, brasilolimpico said:

With all this desperation to find someone to host in 2026, I imagine some level of deeper conversation has taken place with some countries like Malaysia.

I think Malaysia, India and Singapore are good names for 2030.

Looking to the future, if they manage to secure one of the three for 2030, they should look at Canada or an African country for 2034.

We need to give Australia a break.

I am still convinced that Malaysia seriously considered hosting 2026/27 and the only reason they declined the CGF’s offer was due to the lack of sufficient preparation time (2-3 years) and how they were already hosting the SEA Games. Come 2030, it could be a different story.