Ikarus360 Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 Actually, the only and major weakness of Buenos Aires is political stability. Well, there is the problem of the dates as well, but the city could definitely host and it has been shortlisted for 2004. Some people in Argentina considers the last Pan Am Games held in their country (Mar del Plata 95) as being tarnished by politics (they were used by Menem to promote a bid for the 2004 Olympics). They were also remembered by the corruption scandal with the ATC channel and the producer Gerardo Sofovich, on which the channel lost arround 36 millions of argentinan pounds because of ''fraudulent administration''(the channel had the exclusive rights for the transmission of those games). I hope those mistakes aren't repeated again next time they host the games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 ^^ Lol, baron, now that was mean No. You know MonsterPark here at Candlestick in San Francisco developed a major crack as an aftermath of the 1989 Loma Prieto earthquake when the World (or Bay) Series was happening then. So I was serious. The new Bay Bridge being built has some "ceramic-type" sections that will purposely burst to absorb the energy unleashed by an earthquake...and then the ceramic portions will be just patched over again until the next quake hits. (Mar del Plata 95) as being tarnished by politics (they were used by Menem to promote a bid for the 2004 Olympics). How different is that from the other PanAms in 2007 hosted by a city on the Rio Januario? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikarus360 Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 How different is that from the other PanAms in 2007 hosted by a city on the Rio Januario? Well, let's say it was on a higher grade than Rio or Santo Domingo i remember that a lot of members of the organizing comitteee were bootlicking Menem, and Sofovich was a close friend of the president (even the church participated on the OC as a priest ''blessed'' the games in the name of the pope o.O ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aluz Posted February 8, 2011 Report Share Posted February 8, 2011 How different is that from the other PanAms in 2007 hosted by a city on the Rio Januario? Totally different. Starting with the fact that the PanAms were held in a different city with venues that could never be used for the SOGs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRATK Posted February 11, 2011 Report Share Posted February 11, 2011 Well, you've got to find the technology that will not make a stadium split in sections when an earthquake strikes. Hahahahaha... yes, we should btw, at the time of the earthquake, we were renovating the National Stadium and there were some problems... the opening was delay from march to june. but the new stadiums for the 2008 U20 Women's World Cup didn't have any problems (including two that were in the epicenter of the earthquake). I think we have learnt And Santiago got the right of hosting them twice (in 1975 and 1987) but they had to resign, in 1975, because Pinochet was busy murdering innocents in the National Stadium back then. I forgot why they resigned for the 1987 edition (they didnt seemed to have trouble hosting the South American Games in 1986) Santiago resigned in 1983 when we were in the middle of one of the biggest economical crisis in the history (40% of unemployement, just to give a number) and also the first protests against the dictatorship started. In the following years, the situation changed a lot and the economy grew over 8% per year so they won the rights for the South American Games. Also there was the 1985 earthquake, but Chile didn't give up the rights. Actually, the only and major weakness of Buenos Aires is political stability. Well, there is the problem of the dates as well, but the city could definitely host and it has been shortlisted for 2004. Sure, it's the main concern. Although for a PanAm, I don't think it will be a big problem compared with the Olympics. How different is that from the other PanAms in 2007 hosted by a city on the Rio Januario? Argentina has a whole different level of political interventionism and corruption... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRATK Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 It seems Santiago will look for 2019 Pan-Ams. Today in an interview, the President of the National Institute of Sports said that although is not sure "the experience after the 2014 Odesur Games should serve to bid for the 2019 PanAms". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spectator12 Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 How to cent. american games compare? Mayaguez built a lot for those games, I think it would be nice to have pan ams in puerto rico. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raphael Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 Here are some cities that have discussed the posibility of bidding for 2019: Mar del Plata, Argentina Bogotá, Colombia Medellín, Colombia [1] Lima, Perú [2] Puerto Rico [3] IMHO, Colombia has a good chance. I've heard also about Panama City and Santiago, but nothing serious at the moment. yWith the due respect, are you kidding? Mar del Plata after those terrible games? IMHO, Rio 2007 has set a for the PAN AMS a new level, a new status which will be followed by Guadalajara this year and, for sure, by Toronto. None of the cities you mentioned are likely to follow Rio 2007 pattern. yWith the due respect, are you kidding? Mar del Plata after those terrible games? IMHO, Rio 2007 has set a for the PAN AMS a new level, a new status which will be followed by Guadalajara this year and, for sure, by Toronto. None of the cities you mentioned are likely to follow Rio 2007 pattern. Course, Rio had the SOG in mind and money, much money to pursue their dream and used the PAN AMS to make it come true. Totally different. Starting with the fact that the PanAms were held in a different city with venues that could never be used for the SOGs. Aluz, Baron loves kidding. Don't mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spectator12 Posted March 15, 2011 Report Share Posted March 15, 2011 Where in Puerto Rico? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raphael Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 Some people in Argentina considers the last Pan Am Games held in their country (Mar del Plata 95) as being tarnished by politics (they were used by Menem to promote a bid for the 2004 Olympics). They were also remembered by the corruption scandal with the ATC channel and the producer Gerardo Sofovich, on which the channel lost arround 36 millions of argentinan pounds because of ''fraudulent administration''(the channel had the exclusive rights for the transmission of those games). I hope those mistakes aren't repeated again next time they host the games. Mar del Plata Games were a mess. Only Santo Domingo presented a worse edition. Argentinian people have to prove their country is ready to have the honour of hosting the Pan Ams again. This time a Rio 2007 level editon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intoronto Posted June 13, 2011 Report Share Posted June 13, 2011 Mar del Plata Games were a mess. Only Santo Domingo presented a worse edition. Argentinian people have to prove their country is ready to have the honour of hosting the Pan Ams again. This time a Rio 2007 level editon. I think Lima is an early favourite for 2019. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatsh Posted June 18, 2011 Report Share Posted June 18, 2011 With all the projects developing, we'll have better luck than 2009, but the victory is not sure, because the race for 2019 will have too much bid cities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intoronto Posted June 18, 2011 Report Share Posted June 18, 2011 With all the projects developing, we'll have better luck than 2009, but the victory is not sure, because the race for 2019 will have too much bid cities. Especially that makes the chance of vote splitting. However, I think Lima is the favourite if only they bid with Bogota. If Chile bids I think that would be the fav. bid. Why? Lima's proposed venues for 2015 were a joke. 1,000 seats for an aquatics center? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyelBrazil Posted July 16, 2011 Report Share Posted July 16, 2011 If I could bet now (basing my bet only in a guess), I'd bet for Peru... But if Chile does not bid. I think it will be time for South America again and Peru is doing very nice as a country. At least with President Alan Garcia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Posted July 16, 2011 Report Share Posted July 16, 2011 If I could bet now (basing my bet only in a guess), I'd bet for Peru... But if Chile does not bid. I think it will be time for South America again and Peru is doing very nice as a country. At least with President Alan Garcia. Garcia won't be there for much longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyelBrazil Posted July 16, 2011 Report Share Posted July 16, 2011 Garcia won't be there for much longer. I know, Peru had election recently and Mr. Garcia could not join it for a new term due Peruvian rules. I'm ashamed to say I don't remember the name of the man who won. I remember he won over the Fujimori daughter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Posted July 16, 2011 Report Share Posted July 16, 2011 I know, Peru had election recently and Mr. Garcia could not join it for a new term due Peruvian rules. I'm ashamed to say I don't remember the name of the man who won. I remember he won over the Fujimori daughter. And he has ties to Hugo Chavez, although he has stated that he wants to be more like Lula then Chavez. I don't know if I believe that. If he becomes more like Chavez than Lula, then I think you can forget about Lima hosting the 2019 Pan American Games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyelBrazil Posted July 17, 2011 Report Share Posted July 17, 2011 And he has ties to Hugo Chavez, although he has stated that he wants to be more like Lula then Chavez. I don't know if I believe that. If he becomes more like Chavez than Lula, then I think you can forget about Lima hosting the 2019 Pan American Games. Let's wait and see. I think he will play more Lula than Chávez. Lula is, somehow, a model for South America and have some credit abroad. Mr. Chávez is known for being a clown for the rich countries. I'm sure the new president of Peru wants to be remembered as a good president, and the Chávez model is defying now. Only Argentines and Bolivians politicians still believe in this bull**** of "21st century socialism" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Posted July 17, 2011 Report Share Posted July 17, 2011 Let's wait and see. I think he will play more Lula than Chávez. Lula is, somehow, a model for South America and have some credit abroad. Mr. Chávez is known for being a clown for the rich countries. I'm sure the new president of Peru wants to be remembered as a good president, and the Chávez model is defying now. Only Argentines and Bolivians politicians still believe in this bull**** of "21st century socialism" He'd probably be better then the Younger Fujimori would have been as the Younger would have most likely pardoned her father. As for Chavez, I don't think he'll be healthy enough to stand for re-election next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRATK Posted July 17, 2011 Report Share Posted July 17, 2011 I agree that Ollanta Humala would be more like Lula than Chávez. He doesn't have a majority in the Congress to pursue radical reforms so he will be more focused in moderate changes to keep`Peru growing as done in the past years... Ollanta will be working for development of the poorest people, so I think probably a Pan-Am Games won't be his priority. Alan Garcia was the pompous and egocentric guy (have you seen the giant Christ statue that he built without asking?) that would have LOVED to have a PanAm Games... so I am questioning if Lima will finally bid for 2019. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intoronto Posted July 17, 2011 Report Share Posted July 17, 2011 2019 looks like probably the most competitive race to host the Pan American Games. Uruguay, Puerto Rico, Venezuela, Colombia, Peru, Argentina, Chile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deawebo Posted July 27, 2011 Report Share Posted July 27, 2011 Buenos Aire vs Lima!! argentina has more influence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intoronto Posted July 28, 2011 Report Share Posted July 28, 2011 Buenos Aire vs Lima!! argentina has more influence If Santiago bids I think its there's to lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gotosy Posted August 25, 2011 Report Share Posted August 25, 2011 The city of Rosario as argentine candidate for 2019? Rosario se postula como sede para los Panamericanos 2019Rosario dio ayer su primer paso antes de oficilializar su postulación como sede de los Juegos Panamericanos de 2019. Para ello, autoridades locales y provinciales mantuvieron ayer una reunión con el presidente del Comité Olímpico Argentino, Gerardo Werthein y su secretario Mario Moccia. http://www.lacapital.com.ar/ovacion/Rosario-se-postula-como-sede-para-los-Panamericanos-2019--20110824-0025.html http://translate.google.com.br/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lacapital.com.ar%2Fovacion%2FRosario-se-postula-como-sede-para-los-Panamericanos-2019--20110824-0025.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intoronto Posted August 25, 2011 Report Share Posted August 25, 2011 The city of Rosario as argentine candidate for 2019? http://translate.google.com.br/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lacapital.com.ar%2Fovacion%2FRosario-se-postula-como-sede-para-los-Panamericanos-2019--20110824-0025.html I read that too, I though Mar del Plata and Buenos Aires was going for it as well. This is setting up to be the most competitive race we have had for a Pan American Games ever. Anyways Lima or Santiago will be the favs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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