DannyelBrazil Posted November 6, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 6, 2009 BTW, I agree with Flamengo not having 15% of entire Brazilian population - this is really ridiculous. Amen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aluz Posted November 6, 2009 Report Share Posted November 6, 2009 Catra, May I disagree of your posts or should I say Amen to all of them?Man, Have you ever been to Brasilia, Manaus, Blumenau and Juiz de Fora? I did. Big cities with almost only Flamengo fans. Indeed, Maringa and Cascavel are huge "Corinthians cities" - Corinthians have more supporters in Parana than any paranaense club... I'm not doubting about Folha de S.Paulo poll (since polls have errors margins, and sometimes are more or less accurate due methodology). To me it seems there are more Flamengo fans in Brazil than Corinthians for a bigger margin. I'm not the truth owner... Maybe I'm wrong... But Lance polls seems to be more real FOR ME - IT'S A OPINION. And I told it before here, I'm a Santos FC fan, supporter and torcedor roxo, so whatever who's the one in this issue if Santos is far from being there. About Europeans fans, supporters and etc, I can't say anything since I'm not a fanatic for the European teams. The polls with the larger margins are the ones that go inside Brazil, while the ones that have larger margins are kept in the large metro areas. Flamengo has more fans than Cruzeiro and Atlético Mineiro in Minas, outside the Greater BH area. The trend of the results have been kept unchanged for the most part with numbers fluctuating inside the error margin. This latest poll presented by Catra does not provide the universe of the survey and the numbers fluctuation are within the error margins. So, nothing has changed... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrCatra Posted November 6, 2009 Report Share Posted November 6, 2009 Catra, May I disagree of your posts or should I say Amen to all of them? Hum, you can disagree with my opinions, sure. What I said wasn't my opinion. It was a research done by Datafolha. Man, Have you ever been to Brasilia, Manaus, Blumenau and Juiz de Fora? I did. Big cities with almost only Flamengo fans.Indeed, Maringa and Cascavel are huge "Corinthians cities" - Corinthians have more supporters in Parana than any paranaense club... I can travel using TAM paying only the "taxa de embarque". So yes, I visited every big city in Brazil. Your perception isn't the same thing as a complete research done by a respected institute. in 2002 90% of the people I know were voting for Serra, when in reality Lula had 90% of the votes in Salvador. That doesn't mean anything. Anyway, as I said, my point was that Flamengo DOESN'T HAVE 35M supporters. Thats why I showed the pool. I'm not doubting about Folha de S.Paulo poll (since polls have errors margins, and sometimes are more or less accurate due methodology). Really? Every pool have a error margin. That one has a 2% of error margin. To me it seems there are more Flamengo fans in Brazil than Corinthians for a bigger margin. I'm not the truth owner... Maybe I'm wrong...But Lance polls seems to be more real FOR ME - IT'S A OPINION. Nice. But I didn't stated my opinion. I showed a pool. you could have said that those numbers looked more ACCURATE. Because the numbers I posted were as real as any other pool posted here. Anyway, 15-13 or 17-13 isn't exactly that much different... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aluz Posted November 6, 2009 Report Share Posted November 6, 2009 I will close this argument with this text from a São Paulo FC fan, who posted this in his blog. It is in Portuguese, but you can use Google to translate it. It will lose some of the beauty of it, but it will still be interested. This kind of sentiment also explains why Maracanã is such a mythical stadium, since Flamengo is the team supported by over half of Rio de Janeiro population. By Rica Perrone: Rica Perrone's Blog Cada brasileiro, vivo ou morto já foi Flamengo por um instante, por um dia.“, disse Nelson Rodrigues, fanático tricolor desprovido de vaidades clubisticas na hora de analisar futebol. Hoje, 28 de outubro, é o dia do flamenguista. Hoje, 28 de outubro de 2009, é o dia que o Flamengo pode se tornar líder do campeonato Brasileiro. Hoje, como quase toda quarta-feira, é dia de 35 milhões de pessoas viverem por um só objetivo e outras 150 milhões torcerem contra. Amanhã, como sempre, líder ou fora da briga, a capa dos jornais terá o tal do Flamengo. Decidindo titulo, lá estarão milhares de torcedores, em outro estado, fazendo com que o tal do Flamengo jogue em casa quando deveria atuar fora. No sábado, onde todos brigam pela liderança, lá estará ele, de novo, jogando com 12, burlando o regulamento básico do futebol. E se o time pipocar e perder o titulo novamente, não muda nada. Vão se revoltar, xingar, protestar e, daqui 3 meses, lá estarão eles fazendo juras de amor ao time num clássico qualquer pelo campeonato estadual, aquele que nem eles aguentam mais vencer. O time mais inexplicável do planeta terra, sem dúvida. Não ganha o principal titulo nacional desde 1992. Lá se vão mais de 17 anos e a torcida diminui? Não, aumenta. Segundo pesquisa, a maior entre as crianças do país. Quando ninguém dá nada pra eles, chegam e surpreendem a todos. Quando todos esperam muito, ele perde e decepciona sua nação. Favorito em tudo que disputa, simplesmente pelo citado acima. Ninguém é capaz de saber o que esperar do Flamengo, nunca. E quando eventualmente não tem um time capaz de ser campeão, a cobrança é como se tivesse. Ou seja, não existem jogadores no Flamengo. Existe o Flamengo e ponto final. Única torcida do planeta que paga ingresso por 2 espetáculos. Um no campo, como todas elas, e outro que ela mesmo proporciona. O flamenguista vai ao Maracanã pra curtir o time, o jogo, o clima e a própria torcida. É único. Talvez uma das raras torcidas do mundo que tenha dezenas de ídolos, mas que não há discussão sobre o maior. Existe o Zico e o resto. E o “resto” inclui, talvez, os dois melhores laterais que o mundo já viu em cores. Leandro e Junior. A Nação rubro-negra não tem esse nome a toa. São 35 milhões de torcedores, e vejamos: A cidade mais populosa do mundo é Tóquio. E tem 34 milhões de pessoas. A maior do Brasil é são Paulo, com 19. O Flamengo, sozinho, tem 35. Se cobrasse impostos seria trilhardário. Não cobra, e vive devendo. Deve milhões, e isso não faz a menor diferença. Ao contrário do amor que tanto exaltamos, este não vai embora quando o amado fica pobre. É amor de verdade, o mais puro que existe. Incondicional, este sim. Aquele que não analisa, que não raciocina, que não condiciona a nada. A nação poderia dizer, sem culpa: “Eu te amo, e pronto”. Não interessa porque, como, quando e nem sob quais condições. É maior, é inexplicável. Ser Flamengo é algo que não tem comparação. Eu não nasci assim, e nem ouso dizer se felizmente ou infelizmente. Flamenguista é aquele sujeito que ama futebol acima do que ele o proporciona. Aquele que não troca amor por resultados, e que não condiciona sua preferencia por um ou outro jogador. Por aí existe o Santos de Pelé, o São Paulo de Rogério Ceni, o Palmeiras de Ademir. Lá existe o Zico do Flamengo. A ordem é sempre inversa. Os valores são sempre diferentes. Ser flamenguista não torna ninguém melhor do que os outros, nem pior. Diferente, sem dúvida. Ser maioria é algo que fortalece. É infinito, porque a nação não tem fim, e nem deixará de ser a maior torcida do país nos próximos 200 anos. Odiar o Flamengo é absolutamente justificavel. Qualquer um fica irritado em ganhar titulos e mais titulos e ver que a capa do jornal não muda de foto. É sempre a do Flamengo. Qualquer um se incomoda em saber que titulos e dividas menores não conseguem sobrepor a importancia de um clube que tem sua grandeza baseada em nada atual e concreto. É grande. Porque? Porque é. Pode existir algo maior do que o que não se explica? Entrar num Maracanã lotado e olhar pra aquela torcida é algo que apenas eles sabem o que é, o que significa e o quanto importa. “Torcida não ganha jogo”, dizem. “Só se for a sua”, eles dirão. Hoje é dia do flamenguista. Você não é Flamenguista? Que pena. abs, RicaPerrone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrCatra Posted November 6, 2009 Report Share Posted November 6, 2009 The polls with the larger margins are the ones that go inside Brazil, while the ones that have larger margins are kept in the large metro areas. Flamengo has more fans than Cruzeiro and Atlético Mineiro in Minas, outside the Greater BH area. your opinion seem outdated. 1- Flamengo don't have the bigger number of fans in Minas (outside BH). Flamengo only leads the polls in some cities near RJ like Juiz de Fora here: http://datafolha.folha.uol.com.br/po/ver_po.php?session=538 Em Minas Gerais, o Cruzeiro é o primeiro colocado no Estado, mas empata com o Atlético na capital. Quando se leva em consideração o total de entrevistados em Minas, a equipe celeste atinge 29% das preferências, nove pontos a mais do que o percentual obtido por seu maior rival, que fica com 18%. 2 - That poll have a small error margin because it was done with a large sample of 6000 people interviewed. Just to set up a parameter: most of the political polls are done with 2000 people and it's spot on almost all the time 3 - Where you see that the research was done only in the capitals / metropolitan areas? The trend of the results have been kept unchanged for the most part with numbers fluctuating inside the error margin. This latest poll presented by Catra does not provide the universe of the survey and the numbers fluctuation are within the error margins. So, nothing has changed... I agree... it fluctuates around: Cor Max: 13% Cor Min: 12% Fla Max: 17% Fla Min: 15% ANYWAY, my point is that flamengo DOESN'T have 35millions of fans. Flamengo doesn't come even close. I proved you were wrong but you didn't say a word about it hehe... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyelBrazil Posted November 6, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 6, 2009 Catra, there is no reason for being angry, unless if you are a Corinthians fan... (I don't think so). I told you... Whatever who's the biggest... I don't care. You are searching semantics on my posts to provoke me... Give up... For me this is a useless discussion... I don't care which club have more fans... I still believe Flamengo have more supporters with a bigger margin with a similiar number as Lance shown. And if Corinthians now have more than Flamengo, good for them... It's a great thing for a club without a true international story of glories... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyelBrazil Posted November 6, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 6, 2009 And is Santos still the 10th??? (Well, just for curiosity). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aluz Posted November 6, 2009 Report Share Posted November 6, 2009 your opinion seem outdated.1- Flamengo don't have the bigger number of fans in Minas (outside BH). Flamengo only leads the polls in some cities near RJ like Juiz de Fora here: http://datafolha.folha.uol.com.br/po/ver_po.php?session=538 Em Minas Gerais, o Cruzeiro é o primeiro colocado no Estado, mas empata com o Atlético na capital. Quando se leva em consideração o total de entrevistados em Minas, a equipe celeste atinge 29% das preferências, nove pontos a mais do que o percentual obtido por seu maior rival, que fica com 18%. 2 - That poll have a small error margin because it was done with a large sample of 6000 people interviewed. Just to set up a parameter: most of the political polls are done with 2000 people and it's spot on almost all the time 3 - Where you see that the research was done only in the capitals / metropolitan areas? I agree... it fluctuates around: Cor Max: 13% Cor Min: 12% Fla Max: 17% Fla Min: 15% ANYWAY, my point is that flamengo DOESN'T have 35millions of fans. Flamengo doesn't come even close. I proved you were wrong but you didn't say a word about it hehe... Considering the stats, you could not prove what you meant. 1 - The percentage of the teams are in relation to the Brazilian population, not to the people who said they care about football. Those figures are taken in separate questions in the survey. So, the 15% or 17% are in relation to 190 million Brazilians, not to 60% of them who care about football. It happens that among those 190 million people, some support a team but don't follow it regularly. Those people do not read the news about their teams or watch the games on TV or go to stadia, but they may consider themselves Flamengo supporters or SPFC supporters. My wife is among them. 2 - About Minas, your figures just show that Cruzeiro is bigger than Atlético inside the whole state. The issue with your analysis is that it doesn't take into account that the population of the Greater BH is, by far, the largest which carries Cruzeiro and Atlético numbers for the whole state. And, unlike what you said, Flamengo has more fans also in Triângulo Mineiro (Uberlândia specially), in the towns close to Goiás border, in the South of Minas, where Corinthians and other SP teams are also bi, and, of course, in Zona da Mata, where people support teams from Rio and not from Minas. 3 - The 15% to 17% results are still within the margin of error, so since the trend observed along time has been around 17% for the number of Flamengo fans, this poll would not be enough to prove a 2% fall. Other demographics obtained from previous researches, such as the percentage of kids supporting Flamengo, would also indicate that a fall by 2% in such a small interval would be highly unlikely. 4 - I didn't say that this poll was taken in metro areas, but among the series of polls for the same purpose, many were. In those polls, the difference between Flamengo and Corinthians falls, mainly because of not accounting the large fan base Flamengo carries in SP and Minas states, outside the SP and BH metro areas. You have to understand that polls are not a snapshot of the truth, but an approximation of reality. Small changes in the methodology might produce very different results, that's why they are done with a big margin of error. The margin for this research, for instance, is big enough to reduce or increase any team's fan base by more than 10%. Besides, even the sample might be skewed, since it is impossible to sample an exact representation of the Brazilian population, so that the actual data collected has to be weighted according to the population demographics. This weighting process is prone to produce mistakes if not properly done. Not to mention that the questionnaire itself might be used to induce the result of the poll. Why do you think that Tokyo and Chicago had such different numbers of support in the 2016 SOG race? There was no lie, just different methodologies. So, to have a better idea of the real figures, it is recommended to check several polls over time and analyse the trends, instead of taking the last one and believe it to be the most accurate. This is true for every poll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyelBrazil Posted November 6, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 6, 2009 Don't forget Espirito Santo and other minor states where many, but many people supports Flamengo... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinhu4ever Posted November 6, 2009 Report Share Posted November 6, 2009 Ahn, this topic is getting kinda monothematic, don't you think? Btw, is hot in Rio. Like 42ºC (that's 107ºF) at 9AM in Tijuca hot. And it's spring! People are already commenting on how the summer will look like. Better stock up the sunscreen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyelBrazil Posted November 6, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 6, 2009 But the winter, when the games will be held, have warm temperatures during the day and breezy/little bit cool at night. It will be great for the athletes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Rols Posted November 6, 2009 Report Share Posted November 6, 2009 But the winter, when the games will be held, have warm temperatures during the day and breezy/little bit cool at night.It will be great for the athletes. What are the average temperatures and rainfall for games time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinhu4ever Posted November 6, 2009 Report Share Posted November 6, 2009 For the olympics: the avarage temperature in August is 22ºC/72ºF with 50mm/1.99 inches of rainfall (with 6.1 days with rain) For the paralympics: the avarage temperature in September is 23ºC/73ºF with 87.1mm/3.46 inches of rainfall (average of 9.5 rainy days) A more complete weather breakdown can ben found here: http://www.worldweather.org/136/c01080.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Rols Posted November 6, 2009 Report Share Posted November 6, 2009 22 is pleasant. One thing for many of us southern cities like Sydney and Rio - we can hold them when the temperature's a almost perfect compared to too much heat in high summer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyelBrazil Posted November 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 7, 2009 During high summer, in Deodoro/Maracana clusters athletes, would have some problems... It gets 40C very easy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrCatra Posted November 7, 2009 Report Share Posted November 7, 2009 Catra, there is no reason for being angry, unless if you are a Corinthians fan... (I don't think so).I told you... Whatever who's the biggest... I don't care. You are searching semantics on my posts to provoke me... Give up... For me this is a useless discussion... I don't care which club have more fans... I still believe Flamengo have more supporters with a bigger margin with a similiar number as Lance shown. And if Corinthians now have more than Flamengo, good for them... It's a great thing for a club without a true international story of glories... LOL as I said you're a funny dude. I'm gonna repeat for the 1000th time: my point is that Flamengo DON'T have 35m supporters. Thats my point. I only posted that poll to show the part where it says the % of brazilians that have any interest in football. Nothing about cor x fla. It's just a lie that flamengo have the more fans world wide. Thats my point. 1 - The percentage of the teams are in relation to the Brazilian population, not to the people who said they care about football. Those figures are taken in separate questions in the survey. So, the 15% or 17% are in relation to 190 million Brazilians, not to 60% of them who care about football. Source? I remember that poll done by lance in 2004 because I used to read Lance and there it stated what I said. It happens that among those 190 million people, some support a team but don't follow it regularly. Those people do not read the news about their teams or watch the games on TV or go to stadia, but they may consider themselves Flamengo supporters or SPFC supporters. My wife is among them. 31% of brazilian population don't have ANY interest in football. It's really hard to not have ANY interest in football and still cheer for a team. Your wife is in the sample of people that like a team but don't follow it and don't care much about football. Aqueles que tem um POUCO de interesse no futebol. Anyway, your wife is a ghost supporter she means nothing to Flamengo, economically talking. 2 - About Minas, your figures just show that Cruzeiro is bigger than Atlético inside the whole state. The issue with your analysis is that it doesn't take into account that the population of the Greater BH is, by far, the largest which carries Cruzeiro and Atlético numbers for the whole state. And, unlike what you said, Flamengo has more fans also in Triângulo Mineiro (Uberlândia specially), in the towns close to Goiás border, in the South of Minas, where Corinthians and other SP teams are also bi, and, of course, in Zona da Mata, where people support teams from Rio and not from Minas. here: Em Minas Gerais, o Cruzeiro bate o Atlético no estado como um todo (26% a 15%), mas verifica-se empate em Belo Horizonte (38% a 37%). [size="5"]No interior o Cruzeiro obtém 22%, e o Atlético, com 8%, fica numericamente atrás do Flamengo, que atinge 12%[/size]. As I said: Flamengo DON'T lead the polls in the 'interior' of Minas. IN FACT, Cruzeiro have almost THE DOUBLE of supporters that flamengo has. You stand corrected. Source:http://datafolha.folha.uol.com.br/po/ver_po.php?session=274 Anyway, the more important data is that the majority of the population in the 'interior' don't cheer for any team. good link showing all the polls done in Minas: http://www.chancedegol.com.br/rsssfbrasil/.../torcidasmg.htm 3 - The 15% to 17% results are still within the margin of error, so since the trend observed along time has been around 17% for the number of Flamengo fans, this poll would not be enough to prove a 2% fall. Other demographics obtained from previous researches, such as the percentage of kids supporting Flamengo, would also indicate that a fall by 2% in such a small interval would be highly unlikely.4 - I didn't say that this poll was taken in metro areas, but among the series of polls for the same purpose, many were. In those polls, the difference between Flamengo and Corinthians falls, mainly because of not accounting the large fan base Flamengo carries in SP and Minas states, outside the SP and BH metro areas. Gonna ignore this because the point of the discussion was the total numbers of supporters of flameng and the fact that people were saying flamengo had more supporters than other teams like ManU, Milan, Barça, Real, Inter, Liverpool which is false. 4 - you still didn't provide a source saying that poll only counted the metropolitan area. You have to understand that polls are not a snapshot of the truth, but an approximation of reality. Small changes in the methodology might produce very different results, that's why they are done with a big margin of error. The margin for this research, for instance, is big enough to reduce or increase any team's fan base by more than 10%. WTF? Where did you read this? The error margin is 2%. the higher variation possible is 4%. LOL Besides, even the sample might be skewed, since it is impossible to sample an exact representation of the Brazilian population, so that the actual data collected has to be weighted according to the population demographics. This weighting process is prone to produce mistakes if not properly done. Not to mention that the questionnaire itself might be used to induce the result of the poll. Why do you think that Tokyo and Chicago had such different numbers of support in the 2016 SOG race? There was no lie, just different methodologies. Whats your point? really. Are you saying that polls can be manipulated? Oh really?! Yeh, thats why we have respected institutes like datafolha and ibope who are spot on almost all the time. Fact is: every poll done, as you said, show almost the same numbers... Simply because you don't change your team. So to have a significance change in the polls we would weed more than a full generation. So, to have a better idea of the real figures, it is recommended to check several polls over time and analyse the trends, instead of taking the last one and believe it to be the most accurate. This is true for every poll. Satisfied? Point is: Flamengo don't have 35M of supporters. It isn't even close. Thats just an "official" lie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucas_leobas Posted November 7, 2009 Report Share Posted November 7, 2009 31% of brazilian population don't have ANY interest in football.It's really hard to not have ANY interest in football and still cheer for a team. Your wife is in the sample of people that like a team but don't follow it and don't care much about football. Aqueles que tem um POUCO de interesse no futebol. Anyway, your wife is a ghost supporter she means nothing to Flamengo, economically talking. First of all, we're not taking economics. If we were, it would be better to just consider the attendance/revenue from each team and they say which one is bigger. Ok, so 31% of people in Brazil do not support any team. Of course the same thing happens in all European countries, where the supporters of Real Madrid and Manchester United are based. Therefore, this doesn't prove that Flamengo's support isn't bigger than Real Madrid's or Manchester's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyelBrazil Posted November 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 7, 2009 Aluz, give up, please, we don't need to make this discussion getting bigger and bigger... Whatever how many people supports Flamengo or Corinthians or Bangu... This is a thread for Olympic Games in Rio 2016. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feheva Posted November 7, 2009 Report Share Posted November 7, 2009 Ok, so 31% of people in Brazil do not support any team. Of course the same thing happens in all European countries, where the supporters of Real Madrid and Manchester United are based. Therefore, this doesn't prove that Flamengo's support isn't bigger than Real Madrid's or Manchester's. You have a valid point and altough I couldn't say for sure which of the teams have more supporters, I understand what Catra is traying to say. Teams such Manchester United and Real Madrid have real supporters (followers and consumers) all over the world, not only at their countries of origin. They are huge in Africa and Asia, whereas Flamengo's supporters are only in Brazil. So it seems likely that these teams don't have as much supporters as Flamengo at home, but globaly they have a bigger number. I don't know and don't care about how many supporters each of these teams have, but I can say for sure that Flamengo is not a global team like Manchester U. and Real Madrid. Taking that as a parametrer, Flamengo (as all Brazilian teams) are tiny clubs globaly. To think otherwise would be to decieve yourself... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aluz Posted November 7, 2009 Report Share Posted November 7, 2009 You have a valid point and altough I couldn't say for sure which of the teams have more supporters, I understand what Catra is traying to say. Teams such Manchester United and Real Madrid have real supporters (followers and consumers) all over the world, not only at their countries of origin. They are huge in Africa and Asia, whereas Flamengo's supporters are only in Brazil. So it seems likely that these teams don't have as much supporters as Flamengo at home, but globaly they have a bigger number. I don't know and don't care about how many supporters each of these teams have, but I can say for sure that Flamengo is not a global team like Manchester U. and Real Madrid. Taking that as a parametrer, Flamengo (as all Brazilian teams) are tiny clubs globaly. To think otherwise would be to decieve yourself... I never said otherwise, I even mentioned that the survey was made considering only the fans within its home country. If it was held worldwide, European teams such as Barcelona, Man.U., etc will probably lead it. The problem was that there were some people here challenging the 17% figure, which is the most likely to be real. Catra's table just shows that. So, 17% of the Brazilians are Flamengo, which corresponds to around 32.5 million people. According to Catra's table, numbers tend to be steady with SPFC being the only one with a possible minimal growth (within the margin of error). And it is the largest fan base of any football club within its home country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_one Posted November 8, 2009 Report Share Posted November 8, 2009 Guys, this is a thread for Olympic Games NOT for football. C'mon! Gente, tem dó né?! Querem falar de futebol, vão pr'os tópicos da Copa de 2014! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucas_leobas Posted November 9, 2009 Report Share Posted November 9, 2009 Guys, this is a thread for Olympic Games NOT for football. C'mon! Não, não é. Esse é um tópico em que cabe tudo: "coisas e fatos para estrangeiros", inclusive futebol. Ainda que fosse um thread olímpico, o assunto do futebol já está dominando desde a 1a página, ou seja, teria deixado de ser um thread olímpico há muito tempo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyelBrazil Posted November 9, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2009 Is this the reason why foreigners are not posting here anymore? In Rio threads now we only see Brazilians discussing/fighting for useless things... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Rols Posted November 9, 2009 Report Share Posted November 9, 2009 Okay, I'll ask a question. People I've known who've come from and ben to Brazil have raved about the wide variety of fruits available there and how wonderful they taste. What are some of these? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyelBrazil Posted November 9, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2009 Did you heard about açaí or assai-berry? It's very easy to find it to drink/eat in Rio. People say Açai makes you stronger, perfect for those who practice sports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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