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Location, Location, Location

The logic was irrefutable for the IOC to seek Olympics in the Western Hemisphere for 2016, says one member.

Tokyo would come too quickly after Beijing for another Asian Olympics.

The IOC stuck to its un-written rule: no successive summer Games on the same continent. Madrid bid leaders should have saved sorrow and energy by realizing this three years ago.

The Obama Backfire

Did the coming of President Barack Obama help or hurt the Chicago bid? Some IOC members were annoyed that they had to get on the bus at 7:15 a.m. to be at the Bella Center before the roads closed down for Obama. Televisions showed Air Force One arriving and Obama's large motorcade.

IOC members grew impatient waiting, they say, for a half hour to meet Mrs. Obama.

The Fall of Tokyo

Tokyo got sympathy votes to avoid losing face, illusory though this support proved. But it sucked away votes that might have gone to Chicago, making a first round rejection possible for the U.S. bid.

The team from Tokyo never connected with a message.

The Paso Doble

Rio and Madrid urged their supporters to vote for them in the first round so they wouldn't run the risk of an early elimination.

Like the television show "Survivor," Rio, Madrid and Tokyo banded together to get rid of the U.S., thought to be the strongest competition for Rio or Madrid if they got through to the final round. This begs the question: Why doesn't the U.S. have any alliances?

Chicago: Help Wanted

The U.S. was told to be humble, but then was found wanting in aggressiveness.

Pat Ryan, at age 72, wasn't the right face for the bid.

The well-connected Peter Ueberroth was a no-show. He was named USOC honorary president and was supposed to serve a year after he stepped down last October so he could help Chicago's bid. In fact, Ueberroth literally disappeared after he retired and was succeeded by Probst.

But Ueberroth’s absence may have been a blessing for Chicago. He has alienated too many IOC members because of his aggressive stance on the revenue-sharing issue.

Conspiracy Theories

The IOC wanted to get rid of the USOC leadership with a Chicago loss. So far, the goal may be halfway reached with the decision of acting CEO Stephanie Streeter to not seek the job on a permanent basis.

A Rio win could mean $500 million less in television rights fees, or up to a billion dollars including marketing. U.S. cable TV giant Comcast hopes to buy NBC, which might end up saving cash with lower rights fees (as would presumably any successful U.S. bidder). The chairman of NBC Sports, Dick Ebersol, is a notable critic of the USOC, helping to derail a Chicago bid. Comcast, by the way, was to be the partner of the USOC in the U.S. Olympic Network that drew the wrath of the IOC in July.

No Clout

Former IOC President Juan Antonio Samaranch is no longer able to determine the outcome of an IOC election, though he has a loyal following ,evidenced by the 30 or so votes that sent Madrid to slaughter in the third round.

For Tokyo, low influence of IOC members, despite their seniority.

Bob Ctvrtlik perhaps didn't have the clout to be the USOC international vice president. Ctvrtlik and Sergei Bubka of Ukraine came off the IOC at the same time when their terms as members of the Athletes Commission expired two years ago. Ukraine made Sergei Bubka the NOC president and he was quickly re-nominated to the IOC; Ctvrtlik was left on the outside.

The U.S. has little international presence in the Olympic Movement, with not a single Olympic sport federation led by someone from the U.S.

Written by Ed Hula and Karen Rosen.

This is the article ATR shows. Read it. It looks like JJ posts.

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I don't buy some of ATR's allegations.

Conspiracy Theories

1. The IOC wanted to get rid of the USOC leadership with a Chicago loss. So far, the goal may be halfway reached with the decision of acting CEO Stephanie Streeter to not seek the job on a permanent basis.

2. A Rio win could mean $500 million less in television rights fees, or up to a billion dollars including marketing. U.S. cable TV giant Comcast hopes to buy NBC, which might end up saving cash with lower rights fees (as would presumably any successful U.S. bidder). The chairman of NBC Sports, Dick Ebersol, is a notable critic of the USOC, helping to derail a Chicago bid. Comcast, by the way, was to be the partner of the USOC in the U.S. Olympic Network that drew the wrath of the IOC in July.

1. No. I don't think so. It's NOT for them to interfere if nothing is wrong. Why will they complain of frequent changes in the leadership...and THEN create a cause for ANOTHER change? It doesn't make sense.

2. How could Ebersol-NBC "derail" Chicago's bid when that's what would have brought them the BIGGEST $$$? If anything, since Chicago lost, then that makes NBC vulnerable to a hostile takeover especially since GE (NBC's parent company) isn't doing all that well. And NBC is just so-so. So GE might even sell of NBC...and the new owners/mgmt of NBC might not feel that obligated to the IOC to do those billion-dollar preemptive bids. In fact, I hope this Ebersol (I never did like him) gets thrown out and NBC underbids OVERWHELMINGLY!!

Bob Ctvrtlik perhaps didn't have the clout to be the USOC international vice president. Ctvrtlik and Sergei Bubka of Ukraine came off the IOC at the same time when their terms as members of the Athletes Commission expired two years ago. Ukraine made Sergei Bubka the NOC president and he was quickly re-nominated to the IOC; Ctvrtlik was left on the outside.

Bob chose to stay with the USOC and moved to Chicago 2016. Besides, there were already 2 members of the US on the IOC; so it was hard to throw in a 3rd. Ukrraine might've had only ONE IOC member at the time, so it was easy enough to get Bubka back in.

The other thing is that the U.S. just had 2 games thirteen and seven years ago. I think that's just too fresh. If Rio weren't there, it might've been a whole different ballgame.

Hula and that Karen Rosen are ALL hooey on this one. Sometimes, JJ makes even more sense. Thanks for the repost.

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Why was this Topic titled with my Handle ? perhaps because like I have said it would be the America's that would be hosting ? I have said that long and hard but really that has been said by everyone and his dog. The Question was not whether it would be the Americas or not , The question was Chicago or Rio and I believed to the cart started falling off the wagon for Chicago that Chicago would actually take the games . I wished for Rio as the timing with the 2014 World Cup Infrastructure placed Brazil in a position no south american country never had before for staging the SOG's and will probably not happen for at least 20 years if not more.

Chicago had public support problems and the IOc knew that . They don't ever want to repeat a Denver 1976 and that would most likely happen with America hosting an olympic games.

jim jones

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I don't buy some of ATR's allegations.

1. No. I don't think so. It's NOT for them to interfere if nothing is wrong. Why will they complain of frequent changes in the leadership...and THEN create a cause for ANOTHER change? It doesn't make sense.

2. How could Ebersol-NBC "derail" Chicago's bid when that's what would have brought them the BIGGEST $$$? If anything, since Chicago lost, then that makes NBC vulnerable to a hostile takeover especially since GE (NBC's parent company) isn't doing all that well. And NBC is just so-so. So GE might even sell of NBC...and the new owners/mgmt of NBC might not feel that obligated to the IOC to do those billion-dollar preemptive bids. In fact, I hope this Ebersol (I never did like him) gets thrown out and NBC underbids OVERWHELMINGLY!!

Bob chose to stay with the USOC and moved to Chicago 2016. Besides, there were already 2 members of the US on the IOC; so it was hard to throw in a 3rd. Ukrraine might've had only ONE IOC member at the time, so it was easy enough to get Bubka back in.

The other thing is that the U.S. just had 2 games thirteen and seven years ago. I think that's just too fresh. If Rio weren't there, it might've been a whole different ballgame.

Hula and that Karen Rosen are ALL hooey on this one. Sometimes, JJ makes even more sense. Thanks for the repost.

Well lets face it Baron the staging of Olympic Games recently in America can have a great deal to do with it but Again watching Joao Havelange followed by Carlos Nuzman the presentation looks better having two former Athletes , Two IOC members standing up for Rio 2016 then Michelle and Barrack Obama who have not done anything in the realm of Amateur Sport . America is a place that you think you can get instant results for little time put in . The Combined time of Joao Havelange and Carlos Nuzman in the Olympics would go back to Athens 1896. JH was a swimming competitor in the 1936 games and CN was a volleyball player at Tokyo 1964 make for 45 years in the Olympic Movement for Carlos and 72 years for Havelange. You could not write a better script for IOC figures forwarding a Summer Games Bid.

Jim Jones

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Former IOC President Juan Antonio Samaranch is no longer able to determine the outcome of an IOC election, though he has a loyal following ,evidenced by the 30 or so votes that sent Madrid to slaughter in the third round.

He never really was able to always ensure his wishes automatically got through, at least at first try. His championings of Athens 96 and especially Beijing 2000 sparked as much backlash as support. His record was mixed in determining the outcomes.

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Why was this Topic titled with my Handle ?

jim jones

Erm, I think the person who created this thread was making the humourous point that that the article is as incoherent in it's rantings as your posts usually are Jimmy.

Lol. :lol:

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This is the article ATR shows. Read it. It looks like JJ posts.

Except ATR managed to get through it without any mention of the shortcomings of the British or the Europeans.

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Except ATR managed to get through it without any mention of the shortcomings of the British or the Europeans.

Very true Roltel.

The reasons it couldn't have been written by Jim Jones are:

1. The author clearly has a competent command of the English language and seems fairly literate.

2. The author does not make prejudice remarks against white people, Scottish people, English people or British people.

3. The author does not declare their love for Abuja at least once every paragraph.

As silly as the article may be, it clearly was not wrote by our dear friend, the enigma, the one and only Jim Jones!

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Except ATR managed to get through it without any mention of the shortcomings of the British or the Europeans.

Have I ever said Madrid would not host a great games for 2016 or any time Roltel? My premise is much like the article . Madrid 2016 would defy history to become a second in row host for Europe in the age of TV. That has not happened since 1948 -1952 .

Madrid has very few shortcomings for bidding on the Summer Olympics except for the key one that defeated them for 2016 timing . You have a city with a good transportation system and many of the venues. A country which had a great hosting in 1992 but you have the same old problem for US tv Networks and the US sponsors. A bad time zone for Prime time coverage and hence income generation to the IOC's largest patrons.

The problem becomes how does is an American Tv Rights Purchaser attracted to taking 2012 2014 and 2016 at a Billion dollars per games and make money anywhere in that line up having tape delay for Greenwich Mean Time or a couple of Hours plus Greenwich mean time?

Samaranch I am sure knew this.

London 2012 and Sochi2014 were the biggest hurdles for Madrid 2016. With Two very favorable candidates time zone wise in the Americas for increasing US TV rights Madrid and Tokyo were out .

Rio may in 2016 put Daylight savings time for the southern hemisphere winter having studios in Rio and New York on the exact same time . Brazil from my Knowledge does not do Daylight Savings time but it would be a great gesture to the Americans for future Bids from South America.

Shortcoming of the Europeans are not there universally . The Germans , French , Spanish and Italians have recent histories of successful games in either the Summer or Winter. The UK well they lost experience over time comparing so comparing 1948 to anything done in the 2000's is certainly not clear. My feeling with the UK is it generally may be the product of Labor governments that has their shortcomings on major projects not the common people themselves. There does not seem to be entrepreneurship in sports in the UK except if you are selling the government on committing to bid on Sports Festivals at the taxpayers expense.

The Spanish seem to do well buying and selling UK airports . One has to wonder why it is not the opposite of UK business doing the same ? Too many over the counter derivatives perhaps ?

Jim Jones

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