Québec libre Posted October 11, 2009 Report Posted October 11, 2009 So, only 5 days before the deadline of October 15. Can we expect to see last minute bids ? Or will there be only three bids for 2018 ???
stryker Posted October 11, 2009 Report Posted October 11, 2009 I predict Harbin will join the fray. As for the others, the only ones I see are Sofia and Almaty.
Kenadian Posted October 11, 2009 Report Posted October 11, 2009 The only one I'm expecting to hear from is China with a Harbin bid. The USOC has said no. Almaty is waiting until after the 2011 Winter Asian Games. Spain as already said no to Zaragoza. The rest of Europe seems to be sitting it out. So this may be it.
Westfale Posted October 11, 2009 Report Posted October 11, 2009 China would ba a fool, if they dont bid. Harbin would be the frontrunner right from the beginning. But maybe they are hoping, that Annecy or Munich will win this race and they have an easy road to 2022.
4gamesandcounting Posted October 11, 2009 Report Posted October 11, 2009 Smallest collection of bids for a while then.
Westfale Posted October 11, 2009 Report Posted October 11, 2009 Smallest collection of bids for a while then. Indeed, and I cant understand why? Why are SUI, NOR or SWE sitting out? Financial crises? Cant be the reason, these nation are richer than France and Germany together.
4gamesandcounting Posted October 11, 2009 Report Posted October 11, 2009 This is a really good chance. No outstanding candidate. Sweden's chance finally?!
cube Posted October 11, 2009 Report Posted October 11, 2009 norway, sweden and finland jave the climatic change on her side, so no need to waste money for bids now, her time will come sooner or later
Faster Posted October 11, 2009 Report Posted October 11, 2009 Norway -> A political decision gave the domestic rights to Tromso instead of the more suitable bids of Oslo or Trondheim meant that the IOC and the NOC quietly instructed the government to not support the bid. Sweden -> Has no interest in bidding for the Olympics because of the scars of bids past Switzerland -> Can't get uniform support amongst all the cantons to support a bid Austria -> Out of money to bid after the failed attempts in 2006, 2010 and 2014, they feel they can't compete with the likes of Russia etc that have more money to put behind their bids Bulgaria -> Finally caught a clue that their bid needs a lot of work and some infrastructure in place to have a chance Slovenia -> The SOC will only support a bid from Ljubljana and they have no interest in bidding yet. Poland -> No interest Slovakia -> No interest Czech Republic - No support Georgia -> Lets face it they were the Tashkent of 2014 Kazakhstan -> Ironically they aren't stupid China -> Knows the IOC is not happy with them Japan -> Too bad Aomori didn't get the nod.
harbin2018 Posted October 12, 2009 Report Posted October 12, 2009 First things first, do not spread rumors unless you have any evidence. Both IOC and the U.S. people here see how gorgeous Beijing 2008 was. Even your countrymen will feel shame on you. Norway -> A political decision gave the domestic rights to Tromso instead of the more suitable bids of Oslo or Trondheim meant that the IOC and the NOC quietly instructed the government to not support the bid.Sweden -> Has no interest in bidding for the Olympics because of the scars of bids past Switzerland -> Can't get uniform support amongst all the cantons to support a bid Austria -> Out of money to bid after the failed attempts in 2006, 2010 and 2014, they feel they can't compete with the likes of Russia etc that have more money to put behind their bids Bulgaria -> Finally caught a clue that their bid needs a lot of work and some infrastructure in place to have a chance Slovenia -> The SOC will only support a bid from Ljubljana and they have no interest in bidding yet. Poland -> No interest Slovakia -> No interest Czech Republic - No support Georgia -> Lets face it they were the Tashkent of 2014 Kazakhstan -> Ironically they aren't stupid China -> Knows the IOC is not happy with them Japan -> Too bad Aomori didn't get the nod.
Roux Posted October 13, 2009 Report Posted October 13, 2009 I'm thinking 2022 will be much more active. Bukovel should have the guts to bid by then, and I also suspect that's when Almaty and Sofia will try again. Maybe Tromso will have the political/economic mess squared away, and after Chicago 2016's failure I suspect the US will put in a city. I also see Spain getting ambitious and putting fowrth Jacca or Zargova, and of course if Pyeong-Chang looses they'll try again. lol
skicross Posted October 13, 2009 Report Posted October 13, 2009 Yes, Zaragoza has already said that they would bid for 2022, although with Munich and Annecy for 2018 maybe Zaragoza has to delay its bid.
4gamesandcounting Posted October 13, 2009 Report Posted October 13, 2009 So looks like most people think at this stage its the 3 confirmed plus Harbin. Is this really a race or is Munich nailed on for the win?
4gamesandcounting Posted October 13, 2009 Report Posted October 13, 2009 You have inside information Mo?
Faster Posted October 13, 2009 Report Posted October 13, 2009 I'm thinking 2022 will be much more active. Bukovel should have the guts to bid by then, and I also suspect that's when Almaty and Sofia will try again. Maybe Tromso will have the political/economic mess squared away, and after Chicago 2016's failure I suspect the US will put in a city. I also see Spain getting ambitious and putting fowrth Jacca or Zargova, and of course if Pyeong-Chang looses they'll try again. lol Almaty is likely to bid in 2022, Sofia is trying to get the 2016 WYOG and are a very likely winner, Norway will bid with Trondheim or Oslo not Tromso, its too small and too remote.
Braz Posted October 13, 2009 Report Posted October 13, 2009 First things first, do not spread rumors unless you have any evidence. Both IOC and the U.S. people here see how gorgeous Beijing 2008 was. Especially for the Tibetans and the Uighurs... Ooooops... That was inconvenient... I am positive that one day, when all is exposed, the IOC will be as queasy about 2008 as they are about 1936... Great games, great achievements, in a once humiliated nation in rapid expansion - and keeping dark secrets.
Olympic USA Posted October 13, 2009 Report Posted October 13, 2009 China -> Knows the IOC is not happy with them How so? I thought Beijing 2008 was pretty successful
Faster Posted October 14, 2009 Report Posted October 14, 2009 How so? I thought Beijing 2008 was pretty successful Ticket issues: the organizers broke the Hosting contract by not providing internationally the number of tickets demanded by the IOC, this is why groups like cosport had such a difficult and long time going through the process of allocating the limited tickets they recieved Hong Kong venue: the IOC was extremely unhappy that the venue was moved so far away from Beijing when there was suitable venues in place just to make a political statement. Lack of information flow: Beijing routinely denied information and misdirected both the IOC and the media about issues surrounding the games and broke several protocols of the host agreement other then the ticketing fiasco. The international torch relay, the IOC advised the Chinese against it on multiple occasions, but the Chinese kept pushing and pushing, the IOC knew full well what a Chinese torch relay would cause in the US, Britain and France amongst others and its exactly what happened. In the end the IOC was powerless to control the Chinese and make sure they played by the IOC's rules. The IOC does not like this and it has left a bad taste in many peoples mouths. Just because everything appears glossy on the surface doesn't mean their was not undercurrents of unhappiness and displeasure throughout the entire 7 years.
4gamesandcounting Posted October 14, 2009 Report Posted October 14, 2009 Ticket issues: the organizers broke the Hosting contract by not providing internationally the number of tickets demanded by the IOC, this is why groups like cosport had such a difficult and long time going through the process of allocating the limited tickets they recievedHong Kong venue: the IOC was extremely unhappy that the venue was moved so far away from Beijing when there was suitable venues in place just to make a political statement. Lack of information flow: Beijing routinely denied information and misdirected both the IOC and the media about issues surrounding the games and broke several protocols of the host agreement other then the ticketing fiasco. The international torch relay, the IOC advised the Chinese against it on multiple occasions, but the Chinese kept pushing and pushing, the IOC knew full well what a Chinese torch relay would cause in the US, Britain and France amongst others and its exactly what happened. In the end the IOC was powerless to control the Chinese and make sure they played by the IOC's rules. The IOC does not like this and it has left a bad taste in many peoples mouths. Just because everything appears glossy on the surface doesn't mean their was not undercurrents of unhappiness and displeasure throughout the entire 7 years. I think there are always niggles going on - but I can see how messing with tickets and the torch relays will have really got under the IOCs nerves.
Faster Posted October 14, 2009 Report Posted October 14, 2009 I think there are always niggles going on - but I can see how messing with tickets and the torch relays will have really got under the IOCs nerves. From my source (I am currently taking an class on the Olympics taught by a former COC official) she has said that it is not so much the issues but the lack of control that has gotten the IOC ruffled up, also there is money issues involved according to her but she wasn't too clear on in what ways. And its more the Federations that are and were unhappy.
olympian Posted October 14, 2009 Report Posted October 14, 2009 2018 so far only has 3 confirmed bidders.
4gamesandcounting Posted October 14, 2009 Report Posted October 14, 2009 Interesting Faster. 2 Questions 1) Where do you take your class - is this formal studies or just talking with her 2) What upset the federations?
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