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Question for the Brazilian wizards:

do you think Rio 2016 will open the design "plums" (like the Ceremonies portfolio, the torch, logo and mascot designs) to the world...like Beijing did (at least the Cermeonies and torch designs)? Or will Rio 2016 be really parochial in that respect?

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Question for the Brazilian wizards:

do you think Rio 2016 will open the design "plums" (like the Ceremonies portfolio, the torch, logo and mascot designs) to the world...like Beijing did (at least the Cermeonies and torch designs)? Or will Rio 2016 be really parochial in that respect?

Yesterday, the Rio municipal government launched an international competition for the design of an Olympic landmark to be built in the city to remember the 2016 Games. So, I think we can think of other kind of competitions to come.

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Question for the Brazilian wizards:

do you think Rio 2016 will open the design "plums" (like the Ceremonies portfolio, the torch, logo and mascot designs) to the world...like Beijing did (at least the Cermeonies and torch designs)? Or will Rio 2016 be really parochial in that respect?

Probably yes, remember that PanAm Games ceremonies was made by Scott Givens, Rio 2016 bid was "directed" by Mike Lee...

Rio showed that "locals only" politics inside the organizational is not their mood.

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Probably yes, remember that PanAm Games ceremonies was made by Scott Givens, Rio 2016 bid was "directed" by Mike Lee...

Rio showed that "locals only" politics inside the organizational is not their mood.

Danny, Givens tho was just the Executive Producer; I think the content was decided by the PanAmOC. As EP, Givens was just there to guide the show. (I mean I spoke to him sometime in July.)

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Well, Brazilian media showed in 2007 a lot of interviews with him, indeed, sketches made by him about what would happen in 2007 OC...

But if you know him, you know more than us, no doubts... If you see him again, say my congrats for him.

Back to the topic. I think Rio will open the doors to foreigners... You know, Brazil will want to make an unforgettable ceremonies... People here will search professional with high standards know-how.

A opportunity to come to Rio in 2016, Baron!

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Question for the Brazilian wizards:

do you think Rio 2016 will open the design "plums" (like the Ceremonies portfolio, the torch, logo and mascot designs) to the world...like Beijing did (at least the Cermeonies and torch designs)? Or will Rio 2016 be really parochial in that respect?

Australian Architect John Baker has been heavily involved with both Rio 2007 Pan Am Games for venue design which was based on the same venues then becoming RIO 2016 venues. John Baker's Deodoro shooting range has won awards and the overwhelming phrase of the competitive shooting community. Ironically an IOC member asked a very pointed question of the distance of Chicago's Shooting venue and if provisions would be made for Day camping.

Here is an interesting Article on the Australian involvement in the Rio 2016 bid . The Athletes village sounds like it will pioneer an innovation never seen in prior games .

Jim Jones

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I'm pretty sure that Rio will go the route of recognizing good work that they like vs. forcing themselves into a possible worst-case scenario of using the least bad local stock. Although I'm sure a lot of local work will end up winning or be chosen. Brazil, especially in institutes in Sao Paulo, has a growing hotbed of graphic designers nowadays.

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opps here is the article Baron .

http://www.theage.com.au/news/sport/austra...5019615831.html

Jim jones

True, the OV will be like no other, but I find the plans a little bit too elitist.

A lagoon, a beach and a street that simulates a tipical street from Rio in the OV sounds like the committee doesn't want the athletes to leave the OV and venture into the real city. Would it be because of safety concerns?

As I mentioned in other threads, I also find a little distressing to develop such first-class residential condominium in a city which urgently needs housing solutions for the less fortunate. Thinking about legacy, doesn't make sense to me... Even though these are completely different cities, I liked Madrid's plans for the OV better.

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I'm pretty sure that Rio will go the route of recognizing good work that they like vs. forcing themselves into a possible worst-case scenario of using the least bad local stock. Although I'm sure a lot of local work will end up winning or be chosen. Brazil, especially in institutes in Sao Paulo, has a growing hotbed of graphic designers nowadays.

There are also a lot of design multinationals opening branches in São Paulo, like Future Brand, Publicis and others.

And as a graphic designer myself, I believe we are more than capable to deliver world-class results, as long as the right people and companies are choosen.

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True, the OV will be like no other, but I find the plans a little bit too elitist.

A lagoon, a beach and a street that simulates a tipical street from Rio in the OV sounds like the committee doesn't want the athletes to leave the OV and venture into the real city. Would it be because of safety concerns?

As I mentioned in other threads, I also find a little distressing to develop such first-class residential condominium in a city which urgently needs housing solutions for the less fortunate. Thinking about legacy, doesn't make sense to me... Even though these are completely different cities, I liked Madrid's plans for the OV better.

1. The OV being isolated from the rest of the city is standard for SOG. Otherwise people would just go into it and make the life of athletes a living hell.

2. The beach is not inside the OV but around 5 km away from it, but in an area reserved for people with the proper credentials.

3. There are 2 reasons why the OV won't be transformed in low income housing. The first is that it will be privately funded. The second is the required standard of the apartments. For someone who objects having a new stadium publicly funded in SP, I find it weird that you would encourage a publicly funded OV in Rio. If it was low income housing, the government would have to chip in.

4. There will be 3 more OVs built outside Barra: in Deodoro, in Maracana and in the Port. Those will be for low income housing and will be financed by the new program that Lula launched for this purpose.

Considering the funding of the OV, which I think will be built by Carvalho Hoskens, I don't expect for the architecture to be too elaborate. I also think the location doesn't allow a very sumptuous construction. It will be a 2nd tier condominium like others in the surroundings.

I think the best architectural designs will be done for the neighboring OTC/ Olympic Park.

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Otherwise people would just go into it and make the life of athletes a living hell.

well, you mean possible...death. Don't forget Munich 1972.

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1. The OV being isolated from the rest of the city is standard for SOG. Otherwise people would just go into it and make the life of athletes a living hell.

No objections...

2. The beach is not inside the OV but around 5 km away from it, but in an area reserved for people with the proper credentials.

Cool, but why? I any SOG, the athletes enjoy mixing with the local people, why not in Rio?

3. There are 2 reasons why the OV won't be transformed in low income housing. The first is that it will be privately funded. The second is the required standard of the apartments. For someone who objects having a new stadium publicly funded in SP, I find it weird that you would encourage a publicly funded OV in Rio. If it was low income housing, the government would have to chip in.

I'm sure a smart arquitect is able to create a solution to easily convert a hight standard flat into a low income house...

You well know that a football stadium has nothing in commom with a housing complex for low income families in terms of social benefits. Who said I'm against using public money at all? As long as it is well used, go for it!

As said before in other threads, I think these new houses shouldn't be given for free. They could be financed over 20 or 30 years with low interest rates by Caixa Economica Federal or Banco do Brasil with no profit in mind, so it would be afordable.

UK also did interesting housing plans in the 80's, during the recession, with the council flats. Some turned to be good places to live, other not so much, but It's worth a research on that...

I really don't understand why you fiercely defend such "Hollywoodian" plan for the OV...

4. There will be 3 more OVs built outside Barra: in Deodoro, in Maracana and in the Port. Those will be for low income housing and will be financed by the new program that Lula launched for this purpose.

We know that these other 3 OV will represent only a small % of the total vacancies and the OV in the port area will be converted into a commercial/turistic zone, not in houses for the poor...

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Cool, but why? I any SOG, the athletes enjoy mixing with the local people, why not in Rio?

They will be able to mix as long as they wish. If they prefesr to go to the beach and not be bothered by fans, they will have a private beach. That's the basic concept of all OVs. You wouldn't expect people like Tiger Woods or NBA stars to be walking around among the crowds to be burried under people...

As said before in other threads, I think these new houses shouldn't be given for free. They could be financed over 20 or 30 years with low interest rates by Caixa Economica Federal or Banco do Brasil with no profit in mind, so it would be afordable.

UK also did interesting housing plans in the 80's, during the recession, with the council flats. Some turned to be good places to live, other not so much, but It's worth a research on that...

Well, if you have the magic formula to finance homes for low income people in Brazil, you should be running CEF. So far, CEF financing structure, which uses money from Savings Accounts and FGTS, can barely finance homes for the middle class. Low income housing in Brazil is only possible through direct money from the government. Even if the people pay for the house, the real state developers are not going to hop into such an enterprise if the government is not putting money on it. The proof is that Lula has just launched a program for that (Minha Casa, Minha Vida) and is dumping a truck full of money to make it possible.

Besides, since the main venues are going to be in Barra and this is not flexible, because nobody is moving either Rio Centro or the venues built for the PanAm Games, the land is just too expensive to make low income housing viable.

Believe me, an urbanist from UFRJ was recently interviewed by O Globo and has advocated building the OV in the Port to promote low income housing. If he knew a little bit about the bid and the IOC requirements, he would realize what a big nonsense he was talking about. If that option was carried out the project would either be more expensive or severely less compact. Either way would make it impossible for Rio to make the shortlist.

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I like the option of a private beach... If athletes wants to mix up with cariocas, they can choose a bus to Ipanema or Copacabana and have fun...

It's up to the athletes...

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I like the option of a private beach... If athletes wants to mix up with cariocas, they can choose a bus to Ipanema or Copacabana and have fun...

It's up to the athletes...

Or even to Barra in the incredibly wild Prainha or to the hip Pepê Beach.

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I'm pretty sure that Rio will go the route of recognizing good work that they like vs. forcing themselves into a possible worst-case scenario of using the least bad local stock. Although I'm sure a lot of local work will end up winning or be chosen. Brazil, especially in institutes in Sao Paulo, has a growing hotbed of graphic designers nowadays.

considering that Brazil in the 1930's and 1940's was among the cutting edge of Architecture with Oscar Niemeyer the standard in Brazil is as high as anyplace. Oscar Niemeyer in fact is still alive at 101 years of Age . Brazil has great artists in many areas and at the same time experienced people in Games overlay from the rest of the world will be tapped for their talents. That is evident with John Baker designing many of the Rio 2007 new venues .

Frankly I like many of the new Rio Venues choice in color for exterirors . The New Arena (2007) in the Barra Cluster comes to mind.

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I think the concepts of a Rio street in the athletes village are not only from a Security standpoint but also that even if the games were in Tokyo the Athletes Routine between

Pre Games Camping , Athletes Village and Competition venues you don't have much time for exposure of the host country for these athletes . It is a fantastic idea really compared with the sets of apartment blocks that many Olympics seem to have .

The Dangerous parts of Rio are far from many of your touristy areas like the beaches. My one Day in Rio I walked from the Harbor area downtown nearly to the area that Sailing would be held at . This was on a Sunday and I certainly didn't feel a threat there but I am not an Elite Athlete during the Olympics.

When you have the incident that killed a US volleyball coach in Beijing it goes to some that even in a very controlled society in Asia you are going to have things happen.

Athletes can have the option of experiencing Rio like Streets inside the Athletes Village with convenience or going out into the City. With a great majority of Events so close to the Athletes Village in Barra many of the Athletes would have to go a ways to experience what the RIO 2016 committee has in mind in the village.

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They will be able to mix as long as they wish. If they prefesr to go to the beach and not be bothered by fans, they will have a private beach. That's the basic concept of all OVs. You wouldn't expect people like Tiger Woods or NBA stars to be walking around among the crowds to be burried under people...

I see what you mean now... You are right about the private beach...

Well, if you have the magic formula to finance homes for low income people in Brazil, you should be running CEF. So far, CEF financing structure, which uses money from Savings Accounts and FGTS, can barely finance homes for the middle class. Low income housing in Brazil is only possible through direct money from the government. Even if the people pay for the house, the real state developers are not going to hop into such an enterprise if the government is not putting money on it. The proof is that Lula has just launched a program for that (Minha Casa, Minha Vida) and is dumping a truck full of money to make it possible.

Besides, since the main venues are going to be in Barra and this is not flexible, because nobody is moving either Rio Centro or the venues built for the PanAm Games, the land is just too expensive to make low income housing viable.

I think, indeed, direct money from the federal government should be put in a plan like this. Why not?

For me, its more crucial than many of the PAC plans...

I find strange there's plenty of direct money availble for the construction of a permanent IBC/MPC (which will be converted) and the new National training centre and not for a housing program in a city that urgently needs it.

Common! We can do things in a more creative way!

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Cool, but why? I any SOG, the athletes enjoy mixing with the local people, why not in Rio?

As has been explained, there will be nothing stopping them. The Olympic Village is their safe, comfortable, haven, the place where they can go to relax, train, party, shop, socialise etc between events. It's where they get all their meals and accommodation for free and services layed on. It's their personal resort, if you like. Those of us who've been in an Olympic Villages during a games can attest they're a lace of great spirit and atmosphere and there's a lot to attract the athletes to want to make the most of their time there. And it's secure - its aplace where they can be safe and let their hair down.

But there's nothing stopping the visiting the host city, and they will. If you were staying at a resort in an exotic location, you'd want to soak up the pleasures of that resort, but also you'd go out to explore and soak up the local flavour - especially at a time when the whole host city is geared up to be one big carnival. And that's what the athletes will do, of course - they're mostly young and curious and want to see the world as well. In Sydney, for example, everything was layed on for them to their own private ferry services from the OV to the village. That didn't stop the streets of the city still being full of teams and athletes and staff in their national team uniforms getting about and about and enjoying the city, shopping, having fun, and catching normal public transport everywhere (I'm not 100 per cent certain, but I'd assume their accreditation lanyards probably also gave/give them free access to all normal public transport). That's one of the fun things aout a games as well - the people of the host city have a wonderful oportunity to meet athletes from the world over, and strike up conversations etc - I remember sitting on trains chatting to Dutch swimmers, Venezuelan coaches, offering to take pictures for Thai team groups.

Just wait - it's SUCH a great time, for the athletes and the hosts alike!

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I find strange there's plenty of direct money availble for the construction of a permanent IBC/MPC (which will be converted) and the new National training centre and not for a housing program in a city that urgently needs it.

Common! We can do things in a more creative way!

Not exclusive for Brazil... And since the beginning of the times, politicians do this...

That's why I say: they will not invest this money without Olympics, so better with olympics than without...

Better to see the money spent in something we can see and use, and have fun (why not?) than this money in their pockets...

I agree with your complains... You're right, Feheva... Indeed these are the same questions No Games Chicago was mading about their bid...

We know it's sad, but it's the real world

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As has been explained, there will be nothing stopping them. The Olympic Village is their safe, comfortable, haven, the place where they can go to relax, train, party, shop, socialise etc between events. It's where they get all their meals and accommodation for free and services layed on. It's their personal resort, if you like. Those of us who've been in an Olympic Villages during a games can attest they're a lace of great spirit and atmosphere and there's a lot to attract the athletes to want to make the most of their time there. And it's secure - its aplace where they can be safe and let their hair down.

But there's nothing stopping the visiting the host city, and they will. If you were staying at a resort in an exotic location, you'd want to soak up the pleasures of that resort, but also you'd go out to explore and soak up the local flavour - especially at a time when the whole host city is geared up to be one big carnival. And that's what the athletes will do, of course - they're mostly young and curious and want to see the world as well. In Sydney, for example, everything was layed on for them to their own private ferry services from the OV to the village. That didn't stop the streets of the city still being full of teams and athletes and staff in their national team uniforms getting about and about and enjoying the city, shopping, having fun, and catching normal public transport everywhere (I'm not 100 per cent certain, but I'd assume their accreditation lanyards probably also gave/give them free access to all normal public transport). That's one of the fun things aout a games as well - the people of the host city have a wonderful oportunity to meet athletes from the world over, and strike up conversations etc - I remember sitting on trains chatting to Dutch swimmers, Venezuelan coaches, offering to take pictures for Thai team groups.

Just wait - it's SUCH a great time, for the athletes and the hosts alike!

Then Roltel there is always a portion of Athletes who will use Accoms outside the Athletes Village. A Tiger Woods as an Athlete Earning 1 billion dollars in his career so far will likely rent a house near the golf course. The US Basketball Team for Athens 2004 had the Queen Mary 2 for Accoms thanks to Mickey Arison of Carnival Cruises. Shaq was playing for Arsion's Team at the time I believe the Miami Heat. With the Atlantic Ocean Location I can see many of your golfers

chartering luxury boats or a cruise ship.

Rio is not going to be any different then most cities for interaction of Athletes and the Local Population . In Fact I think because it may be a one off for the next 60 years many of the Athletes are going to venture out into the City. With Beach Volleyball on one of the most iconic beaches in the World and Rowing not far from that Venue Rio presents many unique things for Athletes in regards to seeing other events that would normally be far from the Athletes Village.

Jim jones

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