Citius Altius Fortius Posted October 7, 2009 Author Report Posted October 7, 2009 I think it was predictible for Brazilians, but not to the others countries (specially the no-south-american ones). well, don't think that all the others are not used to the south-american style - GamesBids is a place, where people from all over the world meet, who are interested in the matters of the world - therewith we (GB-members are quite aware from all different regions of the world) e.g. I am very used to the south-american style, since my father lived a long time in Lima and had been very often to Brazil, Argentina, Uruguay, Paraguay, Chile, Bolivia and Peru...
Rogerioandrade Posted October 7, 2009 Report Posted October 7, 2009 About my predictions: I think we won't see a hi-tech wizardry revolution like Beijing and Athens. We have so much to show about carioca culture and dances and folklore and customs and faces of the whole country. And those things are made by normal people and not by cables computers. I think, honestly, that we will see something hi-tech for sure, but without all those air performances like we saw in Beijing. It seems that the new Maracanã´s roof will not be strong enough for that. But I expect to see lots of lights, projections and special effects, fireworks and much, much color. I was impressed by the OC of the Pan American Games, since it was so much different (and bigger) from the previous editions. I hope that we all will be surprised again.
Denis-The-Dentist Posted October 7, 2009 Report Posted October 7, 2009 I think it couldn't be an olympic-like OC. After all it's just the PanAm games and we were already preparing for the 2016 bid. I remember one of the producers saying (complaining) they had to "keep the ammo" and make the ceremony more simple. The Rio 2007 wasn't supposed to be the best ever big production we would have. The Olympics were in mind.About my predictions: I think we won't see a hi-tech wizardry revolution like Beijing and Athens. We have so much to show about carioca culture and dances and folklore and customs and faces of the whole country. And those things are made by normal people and not by cables computers. Exactly what I think, my fellow conterrâneo. But maybe we see little innovation on our OC too. Maybe an aerosamba?!?! LOL. They may cite Santos Dumont, at the Brazilian History part of the ceremony! We could see Embraer and 14-bis airplanes models flying around Maracanã (lol) I really expect to see a MUCH better presentation than what we saw during the PanAms. The PanAms OC was big for a PanAm but pretty flat for an Olympic Games. They had to keep the quality relatively low, because we didn't want to ruin our chances on a possible OG.
Denis-The-Dentist Posted October 7, 2009 Report Posted October 7, 2009 Let's not forget People. If they wanted to keep the OC down only to the city of Rio they could. (which I think won't happen, probably a very overall Brazilian ceremony focusing some aspects of Rio). Rio itself has so much History to be told. Rio was the first official capital of the country, as the Brazilian Empire was founded. Then as a Republic. Rio was for 7 years the capital of the PORTUGUESE kingdom. I mean, there is A LOT to be told about Rio, that the PANAms OC didn't even slightly mentioned.
Felipe Menegaz Posted October 7, 2009 Report Posted October 7, 2009 Just for comparison, watch the highlights of the Opening Ceremony of the 14th Pan American Games:
DannyelBrazil Posted October 7, 2009 Report Posted October 7, 2009 well, don't think that all the others are not used to the south-american style - GamesBids is a place, where people from all over the world meet, who are interested in the matters of the world - therewith we (GB-members are quite aware from all different regions of the world)e.g. I am very used to the south-american style, since my father lived a long time in Lima and had been very often to Brazil, Argentina, Uruguay, Paraguay, Chile, Bolivia and Peru... Citius I was talking about the ceremonies... Someone said the ceremony was too predictlable on showing Brazilian things... For us Brazilians, nothing is new... But at that time, it was the first time Brazil was showing itself to thw world (read Americas).
DannyelBrazil Posted October 7, 2009 Report Posted October 7, 2009 Did you like Energy of the Waters??? I think it's just perfect... (People, it's just my opinion, I have emotional reasons for it, I'm not talking technically or technologically).
Citius Altius Fortius Posted October 7, 2009 Author Report Posted October 7, 2009 I like the Energy of the Sun and the Energy of the Water most...
DannyelBrazil Posted October 7, 2009 Report Posted October 7, 2009 Did you watched the Brazilian National Anthem section??? Elza Soares (a singer I don't like much) made it in a full emotional a capella. She's the wife of Garricha (died in 1983), very well known soccer player, the second biggest in Brazil, after Pelé. For Brazilians, it was amazing... The anthem, a capella, with 80,000 people sing together.
mr_one Posted October 7, 2009 Report Posted October 7, 2009 Hi guys, I find some videos of the opening and the quality it's very good. The countdown The sun Energy of the Man Lightning of the cauldron Guys, press HQ to a better image. Rio 2016, A paixão que nos une. Viva sua paixão. La passion qui nous unit. Vivez votre passion.
Victor Mata Posted October 7, 2009 Report Posted October 7, 2009 Let's not forget People. If they wanted to keep the OC down only to the city of Rio they could. (which I think won't happen, probably a very overall Brazilian ceremony focusing some aspects of Rio).Rio itself has so much History to be told. Rio was the first official capital of the country, as the Brazilian Empire was founded. Then as a Republic. Rio was for 7 years the capital of the PORTUGUESE kingdom. I mean, there is A LOT to be told about Rio, that the PANAms OC didn't even slightly mentioned. Sure they could do it but it would be somehow awkward. You see, people get bored when they're being lectured and our history isn't internationally famous like Athens or Rome or China. Rio de Janeiro (and Brazil) cultural aspects are by far much more interesting than the history itself. I think not even an old city like London will focus on a "it all began in Londinium" and "medieval battles" and all that part. My bet is they'll show vibrancy and energy and touch history and fantasy (faeries, peter pan and alice please) in a very subtle way along those lines. Maybe clocks will be featured since London is a reference on that subject because of GMT and Big Ben - This part of the show will be called 'It's London Time!" Now back to 2016, even being the capital for centuries, Rio de Janeiro's history isn't as significant as its history, its music, literature, arts... References to colonization will be highly controversial for example. And don't forget Portugal will be there this time and we can't make something offensive for them. If you guys look closely at the Rio 2007 OC, Rio de Janeiro was present all the time: The rainforest was shown as the music from Villa-Lobos played and the animal alegories look very much like the carnaval ones. In the water part, another carioca composer: Tom Jobim. Later we had lots of folklore characters dancing like in a street carnaval parade. The athletes entered at the sound of chorinhos (a variation of samba) led by samba school-like flagbearers. The cauldron was a giant sun but its rays are clearly inspired at the famous curves of Copacabana Beach. So, I think it's possible and very desirable that Rio 2016 ceremonies show all they can about Brazil with an always present touch of Rio de Janeiro just like the song Aquarela do Brasil, in which Brazil is celebrated in a carioca POV.
Denis-The-Dentist Posted October 7, 2009 Report Posted October 7, 2009 Sure they could do it but it would be somehow awkward. You see, people get bored when they're being lectured and our history isn't internationally famous like Athens or Rome or China. Rio de Janeiro (and Brazil) cultural aspects are by far much more interesting than the history itself.I think not even an old city like London will focus on a "it all began in Londinium" and "medieval battles" and all that part. My bet is they'll show vibrancy and energy and touch history and fantasy (faeries, peter pan and alice please) in a very subtle way along those lines. Maybe clocks will be featured since London is a reference on that subject because of GMT and Big Ben - This part of the show will be called 'It's London Time!" Now back to 2016, even being the capital for centuries, Rio de Janeiro's history isn't as significant as its history, its music, literature, arts... References to colonization will be highly controversial for example. And don't forget Portugal will be there this time and we can't make something offensive for them. If you guys look closely at the Rio 2007 OC, Rio de Janeiro was present all the time: The rainforest was shown as the music from Villa-Lobos played and the animal alegories look very much like the carnaval ones. In the water part, another carioca composer: Tom Jobim. Later we had lots of folklore characters dancing like in a street carnaval parade. The athletes entered at the sound of chorinhos (a variation of samba) led by samba school-like flagbearers. The cauldron was a giant sun but its rays are clearly inspired at the famous curves of Copacabana Beach. So, I think it's possible and very desirable that Rio 2016 ceremonies show all they can about Brazil with an always present touch of Rio de Janeiro just like the song Aquarela do Brasil, in which Brazil is celebrated in a carioca POV. I called you but you didn't answer!
Victor Mata Posted October 7, 2009 Report Posted October 7, 2009 Oh sorry! I sent you a PM explaining everything now let's stay on topic before secret pics and Madonna invades this one too!
wingspread Posted October 7, 2009 Report Posted October 7, 2009 I called you but you didn't answer! Oh sorry! I sent you a PM explaining everything now let's stay on topic before secret pics and Madonna invades this one too! This sounds like a lovers' quarrel.
Victor Mata Posted October 7, 2009 Report Posted October 7, 2009 HOHOHOHO Dude, don't get the wrong idea. Denis and I live in the same area, and my girl lives here too and she's one hell of a jealous woman!
DannyelBrazil Posted October 9, 2009 Report Posted October 9, 2009 Rio residents (since I moved years ago), where is the PanAm cauldron now-a-days? Some said, in 2007, it would be placed in front of UERJ in Maracana district... Is the cauldron there?
Raphael Posted November 4, 2009 Report Posted November 4, 2009 Last time I heard about 2007 Pan Am OC cauldron it was going to be placed near the UERJ or something like that.
Misha Bear Posted November 16, 2009 Report Posted November 16, 2009 Sure they could do it but it would be somehow awkward. You see, people get bored when they're being lectured and our history isn't internationally famous like Athens or Rome or China. Rio de Janeiro (and Brazil) cultural aspects are by far much more interesting than the history itself.I think not even an old city like London will focus on a "it all began in Londinium" and "medieval battles" and all that part. My bet is they'll show vibrancy and energy and touch history and fantasy (faeries, peter pan and alice please) in a very subtle way along those lines. Maybe clocks will be featured since London is a reference on that subject because of GMT and Big Ben - This part of the show will be called 'It's London Time!" Now back to 2016, even being the capital for centuries, Rio de Janeiro's history isn't as significant as its history, its music, literature, arts... References to colonization will be highly controversial for example. And don't forget Portugal will be there this time and we can't make something offensive for them. But still believe they will have to put some history in the ceremony to justify the "first games of Lusophony" besides the "first games of S. America". So to please Portugal, Angola, Mozambique East Timor and the others support, which may not have been big, but was symbolic" they will have to put some navigators and perhaps some singer, like Madredeus and Teresa Salgueiro (Portugal) and/or Cesaria Evora (Cape Verde), for instance.
Raphael Posted November 16, 2009 Report Posted November 16, 2009 Rio residents (since I moved years ago), where is the PanAm cauldron now-a-days?Some said, in 2007, it would be placed in front of UERJ in Maracana district... Is the cauldron there? QUOTE (Victor Mata @ Oct 7 2009, 07:16 PM) Sure they could do it but it would be somehow awkward. You see, people get bored when they're being lectured and our history isn't internationally famous like Athens or Rome or China. Rio de Janeiro (and Brazil) cultural aspects are by far much more interesting than the history itself. I think not even an old city like London will focus on a "it all began in Londinium" and "medieval battles" and all that part. My bet is they'll show vibrancy and energy and touch history and fantasy (faeries, peter pan and alice please) in a very subtle way along those lines. Maybe clocks will be featured since London is a reference on that subject because of GMT and Big Ben - This part of the show will be called 'It's London Time!" Now back to 2016, even being the capital for centuries, Rio de Janeiro's history isn't as significant as its history, its music, literature, arts... References to colonization will be highly controversial for example. And don't forget Portugal will be there this time and we can't make something offensive for them." I beg your pardon. Some facts of Rio's history: a) The capital city of an European Empire outside Europe. It happened to no other city in the world. Founded by Portuguese, invaded by French, it was named "Antartic France", as long as invasion lasted. c) Brazilian Empire's Capital city. d) Brazilian Republic's Capital. I think this will not be showed during the OC. Modern Rio de Janeiro has enough mottoes to an OC. I don´t expect anything like PANAM OC.
kaiak Posted December 7, 2009 Report Posted December 7, 2009 Yes, I am sorry for that. Our crowd is not used to these kind of competitions and most of them act like in a soccer match. Maybe it will happen again especially 2 years after Fifa WC. Don't worry even if you see again, our people is getting this opportunity for the first time and getting more and more used to this, certainly they'll change. It is part of democracy not lack of respect. Different exposure, something new, the world is giving us the chance to improve in all aspects. Do not take this type of behavior in a nasty way. They simple do not know. Our minds are fulfield of soccer and hopefully it would be different during 2016 SOG. Do not blame our crowd, they are not against outsider competitors, I am sure. But do not expect the same asian, american, european behaviors from the crowd. How many SOGs did you host in the history? I am sure the same would happen in Serbia, Bulgary, Mexico, Argentine, Africa. Did you see the last match between Brazil and Serbia for Volleyball World league? The crowd was throwing pieces of wood, stone, etc in brazilians players. It is not our fault, we never had the chance to host big events like that, but deeply in our hearts we love all visitors and players from everywhere. This will be one of the greatest legacy IOC is giving us to improve education, separating SOG from soccer. Come to Rio and you will see how nice and friendly people you can see. But trust me it wasn't in a nasty way. It is a country looking for identity in all aspect and this support to brazlian competitiors is natural. We are at the end of list and even Rio 2016 choice surprised the world, Brazilian crowd is very passionated and if you come you will notice that. They do not know you but the will make conversation, invite you to stay at thei places, be nice, kind and extremelly helful and polite with you. Hope you understand: it was not our fault but world communities the never gave us a chance. Take it easy. Trus me. I was curious how the Opening Ceremony of the Pan Am Games 2007 were and I searched for some videos on youtube - the pics are not professional, but it gives an impression how the OC might be in 2016! very impressive!!! ... but I have to add this video which I found when I was searching for videos of the opening ceremony of Rio de Janeiro 2007 - I hope this won't happen in Rio 2016 again: I wonder what the commentators are saying?
Victor Mata Posted December 7, 2009 Report Posted December 7, 2009 I beg your pardon. Some facts of Rio's history:a) The capital city of an European Empire outside Europe. It happened to no other city in the world. cool.gif Founded by Portuguese, invaded by French, it was named "Antartic France", as long as invasion lasted. c) Brazilian Empire's Capital city. d) Brazilian Republic's Capital. I think this will not be showed during the OC. Modern Rio de Janeiro has enough mottoes to an OC. I don´t expect anything like PANAM OC. Aham. This is quite boring even during history class... I repeat: the city's culture is BY FAR much more interesting than its history. An by 'more interesting' I don't mean 'more important'. Just for comparison: Can you imagine a Los Angeles OC with a focus on history?
Roux Posted December 10, 2009 Report Posted December 10, 2009 Does anyone know where I can view the whole ceremony, including the parade of nations? As nerdy as this may sound, that's kinda my favorite part of any opening ceremony.
Victor Mata Posted December 10, 2009 Report Posted December 10, 2009 I downloaded the complete ceremony at mininova.org back in 2007 but I think they don't have it anymore. I think you can find it only at youtube now...
DannyelBrazil Posted December 11, 2009 Report Posted December 11, 2009 Does anyone know where I can view the whole ceremony, including the parade of nations? As nerdy as this may sound, that's kinda my favorite part of any opening ceremony. I have it in DVD plus the Jornal Nacional (Globo National News) for that day.
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