emre Posted October 4, 2009 Report Share Posted October 4, 2009 Turkish President Abdullah Gul said that Istanbul is getting ready to become a candidate for 2020 Olympic Games, the semi-official Anatolia news agency reported. Gul announced this decision at the 37th general assembly meeting of the European Olympic Committees (EOC) which has begun in the Turkish largest city of Istanbul on the centenary of the founding of Turkey's National Olympic Committee (TMOK). Gul said, "We will mobilize all our capabilities to host the Olympic Games. " "The games is one of the oldest and most important driving forces of friendly and peaceful relations among countries and their nations," he said. Its officially confirmed from the highest peak of the republic that Istanbul will be a candidate for 2020. whats your opinions about this candidature? and the city of Istanbul.? ????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emre Posted October 4, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 4, 2009 ?? no one?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triffle Posted October 5, 2009 Report Share Posted October 5, 2009 I hope it's Istanbul or Cape Town. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mangle Posted October 5, 2009 Report Share Posted October 5, 2009 Will Turkey be in the EU by 2013? It seems like a lot of people are opposed to that for several reasons. I also think its very important for an Istanbul bid that Turkey be in the EU. To me it says that Turkey has met standards and is going in the general right direction. With out that I don't think you could convince me that Istanbul is ready. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinderella Posted October 5, 2009 Report Share Posted October 5, 2009 I would definitely support an Istanbul bid for 2020. It's starting to be about time to see an Islamic country hosting and I can't think about any other islamic city able to host nowadays. Go Istanbul!!! You'd be my first choice... if Madrid wisely decides to wait Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handa Posted October 5, 2009 Report Share Posted October 5, 2009 Istanbul might have a good change since its considered to be in Europe but still it can claim to be in Asia and the fact that it is Muslim country might be benefit. If Rabat, Dubai or Doha makes a bid it would probably just strengthen Istanbul's chances in the final 4 is Istanbul makes it. Turkey wont be part of EU in 2013 but I don't see that a problem at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emre Posted October 5, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2009 Will Turkey be in the EU by 2013? It seems like a lot of people are opposed to that for several reasons. I also think its very important for an Istanbul bid that Turkey be in the EU. To me it says that Turkey has met standards and is going in the general right direction. With out that I don't think you could convince me that Istanbul is ready. in any circumstances Turkey will be a member of EU even sarkozy and merkel against. without Turkey Eu only can be political power but not economical and as military. by the way if Istanbul gets the olympics it will be a good chance to see real Turkey for who is opposed. some still believe we use flying carpets and camels and use genies instead of mobile phonos and no we are not araps:D as a tip Istanbul is the most popules city in Europe and the financel center of Eureasia region with producing the whole countries GDP of % 40. with the guarantee that given by the parliament there is financial problem also. the citys budget is nearly 5 billion USD for today yet. dont need to mention about its unique location history and architectural past. continental swimming and marathon racing, beach volley near the shadow of Hagia Sophia and Blue Mosque minarets ....etc. no other city can give this chance to world meaning unity and harmony and connection. though telecommunication infrastructure is one of the best in the world with transportation to other cities and with no time differences its also good for sponsors and media coverage. but the only thing make me very excited is the closing ceremony of rio if we have 2020. from china to england then to brazil. and turkey will get the flag.. thats means harmony and human civilization.... so different places so different countries but for the same passion under the same purpose...the main meaning of olympism.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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thatsnotmypuppy Posted October 7, 2009 Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 The problem is emre is that the IOC have said no 4 times now. Istanbul has built venues - the Ataturk Olympic Stadium - the new Dome etc and as such they really have no choice but to present the same basic plan yet again. This is the problem of building before wiinning a bid. Pyeongchang will have the same problem with their 2018 bid as now they have gone ahead and built everything - despite losing twice in a row. Istanbul needed to formulate a new, far more compact plan - but they cant really unless everything is out of the city near the new stadium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emre Posted October 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 The problem is emre is that the IOC have said no 4 times now. Istanbul has built venues - the Ataturk Olympic Stadium - the new Dome etc and as such they really have no choice but to present the same basic plan yet again. This is the problem of building before wiinning a bid. Pyeongchang will have the same problem with their 2018 bid as now they have gone ahead and built everything - despite losing twice in a row.Istanbul needed to formulate a new, far more compact plan - but they cant really unless everything is out of the city near the new stadium. though didnt madrid insist on saying the venues already built of % 70 from now ? and athens already did it too? am i right ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aluz Posted October 7, 2009 Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 I also wonder about the ability to stand out as a new frontier. Istambul is both in the Middle-East and in Europe, it is Muslin but not Arab. It seems to me that the big slogan for new frontiers now is "Never in Africa". After that, it could be used for specific regions such as "Middle-East", "North Africa", "Southeast Asia" and "Central Asia". Istanbul seems to be difficult to place in those groups. Not to mention the kind of stuck in the middle feeling in regards to continent rotation. It would make it difficult for the following SOG to go either to Europe or to Asia. Besides, the new frontier card must be associated with good politics behind it. It must gather some support around its motto. Brazil had most of Latin America behind it and at least second option from Africa. To pull something similar, Istanbul must take a leadership to represent its defended frontier. If it is only Turkey, this will be quite difficult to resonate among IOC members. I think an Istanbul bid would be offset by an African competitor or by any other middle-eastern competitor in regards to geopolitics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emre Posted October 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 thats what i mean if turkey and and Istanbul gets all the support from the region with a powerfull PR... definettly its one of the strongest candidate http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ay68dhhbKRE...feature=related well watch it may be some of u really dont know how is ıstanbul... its made by just pictures. and 4 seasons in ıstanbul can be seen:) wonderfull work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emre Posted October 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 and this one also.. the republic day celebrations in Istanbul http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWyQht4hnvw well dont forget that only the bosphorus bridge is 1.5 km long its not a so narrow strait Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thatsnotmypuppy Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 though didnt madrid insist on saying the venues already built of % 70 from now ?and athens already did it too? am i right ? The difference is that Athens came second for 1996 and won 2004. Madrid has been marked very highly for 2012 and has come runner up twice. Istanbul has bid 4 times and been shortlisted twice - 2000 and 2008 - and did not get many votes both times. Read the reports emre - 2000 Evaluation report - pages 22-26 cover Istanbul 2000 Evaluation Report 2004 Evaluation report - pages 14-17 cover Istanbul 2004 Evaluation Report 2008 Evaluation report - 73-89 pages cover Istanbul 2008 Evaluation Report 2012 Applicant report 2012 Applicant Report These are the main concerns that have been repeated over and over by the IOC - Transport - as addressed in 2004 - The many existing transportation problems in the city pose a major challenge to the organisation of the Games. The city is addressing these problems with plans for a new metro system, road improvements, expanded use of water transport and more efficient use of buses and minibuses. There is determination to carry out these improvements but detailed planning will be necessary to meet the challenges of an Olympic transportationsystem. In particular, an adequate shuttle system must be implemented around the venues in the Olympic Park in order to facilitate access by athletes, media and spectators. The venues are located away from the most congested areas but are not convenient for many of the hotel accommodations for spectators and media. The solution of transport problems is made more challenging by the projected extraordinary growth of the city, more than twice that of the rest of the country. as addressed in 2008 - The Commission recognised that public transport development is essential and the new Metro development is impressive. However, the identified new infrastructure will certainly have to be fully completed to deliver spectators to events by the planned modes, particularly rail. There is difficult access to a number of venues, and the current infrastructure planning is delicate, having regard to the estimated increase in population to 13–15 million by 2010, with car usage almost doubling.Access to some competition sites was difficult and would depend on effective traffic management and site operations plans. as addressed in 2012 - Due to its extremely dispersed Olympic venue concept (with the exception of Olympic Park), the average travel distances are substantially longer than most Applicant Cities. Moreover, the assumed average urban bus travel speeds (61km/h) appear unrealistic. Details regarding the transport concept for all constituent groups and spectators will be required. Due to the overall concept, which is rather spread out, travel distances and times are long and will complicate Olympic transport services. Finances - as addressed in 2004 - Serious study has gone into the preparation of the candidature’s financial plans. Based on local conditions, they appear, in general, to be conservative. However, the construction costs (US$ 557.7 million or 36.3% of the total budget) which are vital to this bid, appear to be on the low side. Furthermore, the involvement of the government through the implementation of the Turkish Olympic Law is essential since US$ 475 million or 30.5% of total revenue is dependent on this source. as addressed in 2008 - It cannot be denied that Turkey faces real economic and monetary challenges and recent experiences have not been good. As mentioned in the Candidature File, Turkey also faces several significant regional and domestic political pressures. Much reliance is placed on entry to the European Union but that, in itself, will also present challenges. as addressed in 2012 - The financial plan was marked as 'feasible' but at the absolute low score of 4.2 out of 10 - barely above Rio which was listed as Optimistic. Other issues as noted in 2008 - Paralympics - The lack of knowledge of Paralympic sports was reflected in the presentations, particularly in themarketing and budget themes. Sporting overall concept - The sports concept was considered satisfactory but with reservations on the availability of the necessary expertise to administer and technically control the sports events. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thatsnotmypuppy Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 Notes from 2012 - Sporting experience - Istanbul, and Turkey in general, have limited experience in major international sports events, with Istanbul having organised one world championship (freestyle wrestling in 1999) and a smaller range of other continental events. Security - The command and control of the security forces, which will be under the Istanbul Directorate of Security, is clear and should meet operational requirements. The proposed human resource provision appears adequate but requires significant numbers of personnel to be deployed to the city from other regions and also the recruitment of 9,000 new police officers. The training and logistic implications could be significant. The geographical spread of venues and villages may place a strain on the resources of the security forces. Venues - The sports concept is based on the Olympic Park (13 venues), 4km from the Olympic Village, and a more spread out Southern Complex, which is 16km from the Olympic Village.All venues are within 29km of the Olympic Village, with the exception of equestrian (57km), sailing (53km), beach volleyball (50km) and football (40km). The construction cost estimates of USD 163 million appear to be very conservative for these 11 permanent and five temporary venues and only one existing venue will be upgraded (USD 15 million). Istanbul was graded between 5 and 7 out of 10 for this plan. More on the transport challenges - The existing transport infrastructure ratio is very low for such a metropolis. The ratio is based on the length of motorway and main rail public transport facilities in relation to the population.Substantial major transport infrastructure is planned to strengthen both the highway/expressway system and the rail system (metro, light-rail and suburban rail). The improved or new transport facilities will be challenged to keep pace with the fast urbanisation of Istanbul and these transport investments might be questionable in view of the limited number of transport projects carried out since the last bid. Security - The command and control of the security forces, which will be under the Istanbul Directorate of Security, is clear and should meet operational requirements. The proposed human resource provision appears adequate but requires significant numbers of personnel to be deployed to the city from other regions and also the recruitment of 9,000 new police officers. The training and logistic implications could be significant. The geographical spread of venues and villages may place a strain on the resources of the security forces. These are some big issues for Istanbul to be able to address satisfactorily. You can't dismiss these issues as this is what the IOC - the only people who can give Istanbul a Games - is concerned about. Has Istanbul improved that much since 2005 when they went for 2012? If so they are poor at letting the rest of the world know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emre Posted October 8, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 Security - These are some big issues for Istanbul to be able to address satisfactorily. You can't dismiss these issues as this is what the IOC - the only people who can give Istanbul a Games - is concerned about. Has Istanbul improved that much since 2005 when they went for 2012? If so they are poor at letting the rest of the world know. well the infrastucture of the city is rapidly developing but i dont know the plans of the olympic village . well if i can find some source about the issues u talk about. may be we can make a before and after comparison. at least i can say the second airport becomes one of the biggest in the area with 5million passangers per year. also the rail and metro system reached to the village and with the connection of marmaray under the bosphorus all systems connect each other... but as i said i need a source about istanbul in 2000 and 2009 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thatsnotmypuppy Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 well the infrastucture of the city is rapidly developing but i dont know the plans of the olympic village . well if i can find some source about the issues u talk I gave you the links to all 4 official IOC reports that cover Istanbul's bids. Regardless of what you want (and I do want to see Istanbul host eventually as well - it is a beautiful city) the bid committee there needs a new angle and needs to convince the IOC the above points are no longer an issue. There is no way to sugar coat it emre - Istanbul has bidded 4 times and been rejected at one stage or another because they have not amended the bid or brought the existing infrastructure up to scratch. That hasn't happened as far as I know since Istanbul got rejected for 2012 back in 2004/2005. Istanbul needs more experience in multi-sport events and world championships. You need a better metro/transport system. You need better security. You need to show you are doing something environmentally responsibility to cut back on pollution and an over dependence on vehicles and fossil fuels. You need a venue plan that is sustainable and not full of white elephants. You need to guarantee funding in a fiscally responsible way. Once that is all in check then you will get shortlisted again and have a hope. I don't like being so blunt - but the Turkish Olympic Committee doesn't deserve to embarass itself with a bid unless it can win. That may take another 10 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olimpik Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 though didnt madrid insist on saying the venues already built of % 70 from now ?and athens already did it too? am i right ? yeah you are right, they have venues aready exist. But they make it in a compact structure. The new olympic stadium, park and village are next to each other and not too far away from city of Madrid. Istanbul's biggest mistake was to built Olympic Stadium. Because the proposed area for Olympic park is just too out of the city, around the park is industry area. It is in one of the ugliest part of Istanbul. They did build the stadium and cant change the land of olympic park right now. The best proposal was in 2000 bid book, the park was proposed on the edge of the mountain in a green environment. It's nearly impossible to have compact games in Istanbul right now. You can only divide the city in 3 clusters maybe. Olympic Park, Ataköy and Old City Clusters. But it will be still spread out...I'm really hopeless about that. Last summer there was a symposium about the future of Istanbul, in terms of infastructure and architecture. One of the topics was Olympic Games. It is said that Istanbul must firstly invest 200 billion dollars to city infastructure. Than it will be ready for the games. So we should wait for 2024 or 2028, and maybe we can throw a chance for Izmir for 2020 jus for the fun of bidding. I am not a sucker for Izmir, but the sports and city infastructure is so appropriate for Olympic Games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sredetsfan Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 Istanbul's biggest mistake was to built Olympic Stadium. I agree! I've always looked at it and wondered "what the F where they thinking". Its location is really inconvinient. To cap it off, its realllly ugly. I do not mean to be rude, i'm just angry, because if it was not there i think (with a different well thought out plan) Istanbul might have an actual shot in 202X, and all the issues that the IOC has will be adressed, whithout actually building anything.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emre Posted October 8, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 well its better to wait and see what the plans for 2020 then... they gonna rehablite the are of the olympic park will be... and start with from its north side. the transportation is some how better after the conection of the metro and the railway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citius Altius Fortius Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 I would love to see Olympic Games in Istanbul, but I think Capetown will be the host, if the South African are able to show in their bid that they CAN host... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thatsnotmypuppy Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 I don't think it's an ugly stadium - quite the opposite - I think it is stunning. It is in the wrong location though. It could have done with coloured seats - red and yellow of course! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 I don't think it's an ugly stadium - quite the opposite - I think it is stunning. It is in the wrong location though. It could have done with coloured seats - red and yellow of course! Exactly. They should've put it right there on the mouth of the Bosporus so that one flank is European (supposedly), and the other one is Asian!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emre Posted October 8, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 I don't think it's an ugly stadium - quite the opposite - I think it is stunning. It is in the wrong location though. It could have done with coloured seats - red and yellow of course! i like the stadium very much by the way.. but the wind s a problem.... also i prefer all the stadium white... milk white... even the athletics pist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie4040 Posted October 9, 2009 Report Share Posted October 9, 2009 What would you think of the Olympic Village being placed in Taksim in Istanbul? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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