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They can work around one match. The point is, the CC can have more technical rehearsals in its venue vs. 0 in the regular stadium. The fact that RIOCOG will put the soccer finals there is their decision, and it'll impede the CC a little; but they can work around that. Just my 2 euros.

Are you sure it's only going to be one match. After all if the Olympic cauldron is there, it would be nice if it wasn't burning over an empty stadium...

I think you're also going to see semi-finals, quarter-finals, etc. Also, I wouldn't be surprised if the football medal ceremony was incorporated into the CC. An appropriate way for Brazil to keep their favorite sport center stage.

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I do believe Oakydoky, this will surely help to clarify any scales of ignorance compromising your intellect

Thank you Athensfan, most kindly, for your response.

However, I must take the opportunity to pull you back from the cliff of error with regards to my postings

Firstly, I never said that Chicago's bid did not have strong points. It did. It just happened that the three other bidding cities had wayyyyyyyy stronger proposals. So your use of the adjective superb will go down in history as an opinion with the very best intentions.

I do believe you are true that they are cheats all over the world. But that is not the issue, the degree of cheating is. I do believe the U.S is second to none in this regard.

I do believe you are lying to yourself ( you have my sincerest pity here) when you suggest that " I don't think he or anyone else expected a slam dunk for Chicago ". The Chicago people wanted him there just to make it as spectacular as possible.

I do believe and endorse some of your points regarding jealousy of the US. I've had the same experience myself here on Gamesbids. However, the authentic American is one who stands for truth even when it is bitter and we did the world a wrong. BUSH did the world a wrong.

Of course gamesbids did not help to sway the vote......it just help to expose the bids to a wee bit more scrutiny. enough said.

thank you once more

from

your only, ever serene majesty

Ruling Czar

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I disagree with your argument that Chicago's bid was technically the worst of the four. I think the vast majority of IOC members would agree with me. I also think you'd find a lot of GamesBidders -- including a slew of non-Americans who would affirm that Chicago's bid was not the weakest of the four.

I don't think the figures support your arguments about cheaters from the U.S. -- what's more important, even if you are correct and the U.S. is the new East Germany, the American federations are vigilant about fighting doping and the IOC knows this. What more can you do? Dick Pound -- head of WADA -- was one of Chicago's biggest advocates. I never once heard him say that U.S. doping would hamper Chicago's bid.

Lying to myself? And you accuse others of arrogance? Not only can you read my mind, you can read President Obama's? I always thought Rio would win, I just didn't think Chicago would lose with only 18 votes. Neither you nor I knows exactly what President Obama expected in his heart of hearts. I personally do not think he is a fool and I think anyone with half a brain would know that by presenting the first viable South American bid, Rio was going to be a formidable opponent to a bid to host the ninth American Olympics. I suspect he thought Chicago had a chance. I also think that he knew his absence would be regarded as an insult, considering the fact that the world leaders from every other bidding nation were present.

For someone who has anointed himself "Ruling Czar" perhaps you should refrain from accusing others of arrogance?

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Why a joke? It's different! It will end somewhere with MEANING to our country. Sambódromo is home to Rio de Janeiro's carnaval and the place has something to be said about. Like in Athens, the marathon ended in a place with meaning to their country and it was beautiful.

You need to respect Olympic tradition, rather than saying "We're going to do it OUR way" (which one of you compatriots very arrogantly already stated). Athens had a very valid reason for doing what they did. Rio? Not so much.

Get over yourself.

No, you need to get over yourself. You will be criticized. Brazil begged and pleaded and wanted so bad to be in the kitchen with the other cities that had already hosted. Well you finally got it. So now it's time to face the heat, and if you can't take it, maybe your country really wasn't ready to host after all. You've had two days celebrate. Now it's reality time. Cold hard reality time.

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Rio is not "insisting" on two stadiums, since the IOC never offered any opposition to the idea. In fact, it was seen under positive light in the evaluation report (like pretty much anything else).

I wouldn't take the IOC vote awarding Rio the games as a sign of approval by IOC members of the two stadium plan. You were given a pass, you were cut some slack, and it was something overlooked for other reasons.

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The OC is an extravaganza and the CC is an afterthought/dance party.

Fully agreed. The only interesting thing about the closing ceremony is the flag handover and the next hosting cities few minutes presentation.

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Is two stadiums really a problem? Heck, it will be cool to see them not have the athletes parade on a track with unsightly white lines. :)

I can't recall white lines in Beijing, Athens, Sydney and Barcelona - I don't remember Atlanta - I do know that you could see it in seoul, los angeles and munich, but that is nearly 20 years ago...

during the OC everything is hidden under a cover...

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I can't recall white lines in Beijing, Athens, Sydney and Barcelona - I don't remember Atlanta - I do know that you could see it in seoul, los angeles and munich, but that is nearly 20 years ago...

during the OC everything is hidden under a cover...

Exactly. No white lines for several Olympics now.

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Exactly. No white lines for several Olympics now.

OC in Munich 1972 with "white lines"

it is funny to watch today the 70s uniforms and the totally different style of an opening ceremony - it was much stricter in 72 and mostly "official" - by the way Brazil enters at appr. 8:43...

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Wow! Ceremonies in the daytime! I don't think I've ever saw anything like that! So cool!

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Joao Havelange stadium capacity will be 70,000 to the Olympic Games.

See some pictures of the stadium. While building it for PanAm, they reserved two areas for expansions in case of a Rio's victory.

IOC requires 65,000.

About Maracana and JH cauldron, Yes, probably will be two cauldron.

There are plans for a ceremony when the flame will be carried from Maracana to JH (a mini torch relay and a ceremony specially for the athletics).

Maracana is a soccer stadium the size of tribunes is exactly made for a soccer stadium, with no place for an athletics path.

It's impossible to put an athletics path on the most known stadium of the world.

Are there these plans about this cerymony, when a flame will be carried from Maracana to JH ? I had never heard anything about that here in Brazil, but it will be a nice idea, since the biggest problem in having the OC at Maracanã, is that the Olympic flame will be at an empty Stadium.

In Pan American games, the Maracanã was used only four or five times, during the football competition, and the Olympic flame was everyday at Maracanã on the ground ! :huh: , only when the brazilian tv Globo showed it on tv, we could see it.

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It wasn't on the ground, it was on the lower ring of the benches, over that cascade thing. It's was quite visible unless you were sitting right above it. And now, that everybody is talking about the cauldron and such, what is gonna happen with the Olympic flag? It'll be moved too if the flame is moved?

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It wasn't on the ground, it was on the lower ring of the benches, over that cascade thing. It's was quite visible unless you were sitting right above it. And now, that everybody is talking about the cauldron and such, what is gonna happen with the Olympic flag? It'll be moved too if the flame is moved?

it wasn´t on the ground at all, but we could not even see it if you were outside the stadium. I think in the end, they will convert Joao Havelange as the only one Olympic Stadium, and put the ceremonies on it.

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The 2-stadia idea was one of the few bright ones in the Rio bid.

First, it saves money: why build another stadium when there is a perfectly fine and reasonably new stadium for track and field (Engenhao - Joao Havelange) which will have the appropriate seating for most track and field events?

Second, Maracana is perfect for the much larger Opening and closing ceremonies: it has a greater seating capacity, and it is right next to an existing subway station (unfortunately, not the case for Engenhao, which depends on the so-called "olympic ring", or whatever is the name of the multibillion-dollar shenanigan that the bid proposal includes).

Third, it is good for all future host cities if this precedent is allowed to stand: there often are, as already mentioned here for previous bids, better locations for opening and closing ceremonies than track and field stadiums.

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Joao Havelange stadium have the Engenho de Dentro Supervia station the other side of the street. This line have modern trains with air-conditioning, and it's placed 25 minutes from Central do Brasil - Downtown station...

The stadium is also placed in the side of Linha Amarela - a six lane highway connecting Barra to Int'l Airport.

Check Google Earth. You are FULL wrong!!!!

You are not from Rio. You don't know what you talking about!!!!

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You need to respect Olympic tradition, rather than saying "We're going to do it OUR way" (which one of you compatriots very arrogantly already stated). Athens had a very valid reason for doing what they did. Rio? Not so much.

No, you need to get over yourself. You will be criticized. Brazil begged and pleaded and wanted so bad to be in the kitchen with the other cities that had already hosted. Well you finally got it. So now it's time to face the heat, and if you can't take it, maybe your country really wasn't ready to host after all. You've had two days celebrate. Now it's reality time. Cold hard reality time.

Oh my God! How embarrassing! Embarrassment to you, of course. If the IOC, who are who they are, said nothing (until today - we have seven years ahead of us - things change) about these minor new establishments, who are you, to be whining non-stop about a thing that you clearly stated not wanting to understand, since the other countries traditions and symbolisms are not important to you? People from 3 countries, Brazil not included, tried to show you a point to why Maracanã was a VERY WELL KNOWN stadium around the World and its importance not only to football/soccer, and you just ignored it. (Well, not surprisingly thou, since you've been acting like such a wuss. )

How can you state it was a valid reason for Athens and not a valid reason for Rio? What kind of assessment is that? Only the country who created the olympics can insert new features in olympic ceremonies? Uh huh! I don't think so. Olympics in the parks of a city is something different, and I don't remember anyone complaining about it here. I even find it was a great idea - the same way I feel about the end of the marathon at Sambódromo. President Obama leaving the tribune shaking hands with the IOC after the Chicago presentation isn't part of any Olympic traditions either, but he did't think twice before doing it! Good for us, we had a precedent so our Lula could go and shake hands with the IOC as well.

And don't preach on us about listening to criticism. We can take critics, good or bad. But they, at least, have to be adressed politely and, most importantly, be more than just a mere rant. Go learn about things outside your country. And I suggest you to start your learning reading about Maracanã and Sambódromo so you can at least, be against the uses of these venues based in your newly-acquired knowledge about my country.

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Are there these plans about this cerymony, when a flame will be carried from Maracana to JH ? I had never heard anything about that here in Brazil, but it will be a nice idea, since the biggest problem in having the OC at Maracanã, is that the Olympic flame will be at an empty Stadium.

In Pan American games, the Maracanã was used only four or five times, during the football competition, and the Olympic flame was everyday at Maracanã on the ground ! :huh: , only when the brazilian tv Globo showed it on tv, we could see it.

People! A lot of people are complaining and/or worried about these olympic traditions and symbolisms. I am sure everything will be fully thought of by the IOC and especially by the organising committee! Do you guys really think they will leave the Caldron and the Flag forgotten at the football stadium? I don't think so. For now we don't know how it will work out for these symbols but be sure IOC will not let them out of the spotlight as usual!

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Honestly, the cauldron in Maracana will not be placed in ground this time... It will be probably outside the stadium, just like Barcelona... My bet.

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OC in Munich 1972 with "white lines"

it is funny to watch today the 70s uniforms and the totally different style of an opening ceremony - it was much stricter in 72 and mostly "official" - by the way Brazil enters at appr. 8:43...

Now, wait!! I am soo surpised about this video! Since my first olympics (that one I have memories about) was Seúl 1988 (and far memories since I was only 5. The first olympics I have clear memories of was Barcelona when I was 9), I don't know how it happened before. But I thought everything had to be adressed in French and English before the home language and it didn't happen in Germany! How come?!

My God! Everything was super fast in Germany! It would be nice if the athletes entrance didn't last as long as it lasted in Beijing.

Call me old Fashioned but I LOVED the male uniforms back then! And the athletes marching! PRICELESS! Great thing there was no metrosexual thing back then, man dressed like men and looked great! (not all though hehehe - my favourtie was one of the greek. :lol: )

Very cool! Loved the Brazilian girls wearing a purse to enter the olympic stadium hahahaha! They look like flight attendants! But the blonde one, HOT!

Gotta love opening ceremonies! And the images back in 72 are SOO GREAT! Were they remastered? Because I have my tapes from Atlanta and they don't look nearly as clear as your images of Munique!

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I am glad you like it

well the ceremonies in the past had really strict rules - there were not shows like today. For example the nations really marched into the stadium before 1972. In München (Munich) it was the first time that not military marches were played be the entrance of the nations. The music, which was played was adapted to the nation, which was just entering - you hear that for example by Brazil - a samba was played - when Germany entered a popular german folk song is played - when the USA entered the song "When the Saints go marching in" was played etc. etc.

You mentioned that the entrance of the nations was very fast - yes, that is true - that is a result of two things the teams were used to march into the stadium (the athletes from today are not used to that) and the music had a special beat per minute - the footsteps of the athletes adapt automatically to this beat...

The music was one new thing at the Opening Ceremony in Munich - before Munich 1972 eight soldiers carried the Olympic flag into the stadium - in Munich the olympic champions of eights rowing from Mexico did that - since Munich the Olympic flag is always carried into the stadium by athletes - the rowers even raised the flag in 1972, that isn't done anymore today (this is made by soldiers)

Entrance and raising of the Olympic Flag (appr. at 3:00)

LOL - I thought the same thing about the handbags

The original tapes of the television are still existing and I suppose they were remastered - in a German news channel, which is run by the public TV, it is tradition to show the Munich OC and another later Opening Ceremony (like Barcelona, Sydney or Atlanta) one or two days before a new one takes place - therefore they take good care of the tapes...

By the way you can find the complete Opening Ceremony and many other TV footage of 1972 here on this youtube channel: Olympia72.de If you require translation - I can help

Well - I am not sure about why only German was spoken during the OC - I suppose that was normal in that times - maybe baron knows when the rule was introduced - he is a specialist in questions of ceremonies...

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