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Why Does Rio Insist On Two Stadiums?

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Why does Rio want to have the opening ceremonies in Maracana stadium? What is their problem with having the Opening Ceremonies in João Havelange Stadium? Is it the capacity of João Havelange? Because if it is, what makes them think that João Havelange Olympic Stadium is sufficient for Athletics?

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And let me guess, you guys can't put an athletics field in Maracana?

That's really crappy.

The IOC should make a requirement that Athletics and the Opening Ceremonies must be held in the same stadium. That way you either build a stadium that can accommodate both, or you don't bid.

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And let me guess, you guys can't put an athletics field in Maracana?

That's really crappy.

The IOC should make a requirement that Athletics and the Opening Ceremonies must be held in the same stadium. That way you either build a stadium that can accommodate both, or you don't bid.

But why? The Winter Games use stadia ONLY for Ceremonies, so why should it be any different for the Summer?

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And let me guess, you guys can't put an athletics field in Maracana?

That's really crappy.

The IOC should make a requirement that Athletics and the Opening Ceremonies must be held in the same stadium. That way you either build a stadium that can accommodate both, or you don't bid.

We have an athletics stadium approved by IAAF and we are not up to wasting money on having another one.

This requirement doesn't exist, then there will be 2 stadia.

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And let me guess, you guys can't put an athletics field in Maracana?

That's really crappy.

The IOC should make a requirement that Athletics and the Opening Ceremonies must be held in the same stadium. That way you either build a stadium that can accommodate both, or you don't bid.

Please explain the real problem of having the opening cerimonies in another stadium...

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But why? The Winter Games use stadia ONLY for Ceremonies, so why should it be any different for the Summer?

The winter games are irrelevant, IMO, to the issue.

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Please explain the real problem of having the opening cerimonies in another stadium...

Because it's garbage to do so. I really hate it. There should be only ONE Olympic Stadium, where the Opening and Closing Ceremonies will be held, and Athletics should be held there, as well, with the competitions taking place under the flame. I know I'm not the only one who feels this way. If a bid city in Europe, North America, or Asia proposed this, I doubt it would be well received. Brazil just doesn't have the money to build a new stadium, and I think Brazil was given a pass on this issue. No one else would have been, IMO.

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Well - the ceremonies of Paris 1900 took place at the velodrome - that was the first and the last time so far that the ceremonies were not held in the tack and field venue.

Personally I am absolutely not a fan of that since athletics is the main sport of the Olympic Games and the venue for track and field is a kind of home during the games...

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Well - the ceremonies of Paris 1900 took place at the velodrome - that was the first and the last time so far that the ceremonies were not held in the tack and field venue.

Personally I am absolutely not a fan of that since athletics is the main sport of the Olympic Games and the venue for track and field is a kind of home during the games...

1900 is irrelevant though, that was 109 years ago. This is the year 2009. And 45,000 pathetic seats for Athletics? Are you serious? I'm shocked. If the average Olympic Stadium in modern times has held say 90,000, then João Havelange Stadium is just sad. Athletics is one of the three MARQUEE sport disciplines of the Olympic Games. 45,000 seats? Good God that is LAME! I had no idea what a small little stadium that was until I looked up the capacity. A lot of people are going to be disappointed because there are so few seats! Yeah IAFF may have approved it for competitive purposes, but a stadium with NO seats could be approved for competition, in theory. Big deal.

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It can be expanded to 65,000. Maracana is a legendary stadium and a temple for Brazilian sport. You may not like it, but 66 members of the IOC seem to be OK with it, so I don't see this changing.

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It can be expanded to 65,000. Maracana is a legendary stadium and a temple for Brazilian sport. You may not like it, but 66 members of the IOC seem to be OK with it, so I don't see this changing.

Well like I said, Brazil was given a pass on the issue. Any other country that had the means wouldn't have been given that slack. Brazil just can't afford to build anything really suitable to hold both. And even 65,000 is weak for the athletic competitions of the Olympic Games.

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Well, we could build another Olympic Stadium in Rio de Janeiro but would it be useful after the games? I'm not fan of the idea of the flame being far from the athletics but building another large venue just for this would be really unnecessary.

And Maracanã is a world legend and the centre of carioca vibration, cheering and energy.

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OneTimeOnly,

Rio de Janeiro was awarded the 2016 games with the project they presented to the IOC. If they accepted it it's because they agreed we can hold the games. Now let's accept their decision.

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OneTimeOnly,

Rio de Janeiro was awarded the 2016 games with the project they presented to the IOC. If they accepted it it's because they agreed we can hold the games. Now let's accept their decision.

No one is arguing that having the athletics and the ceremonies in separate stadiums can't be done. It can be done. But is it a great thing to do? No, it's sucks crap. I'm serious - Brazil got a pass on the issue. It was overlooked for other reasons.

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No one is arguing that having the athletics and the ceremonies in separate stadiums can't be done. It can be done. But is it a great thing to do? No, it's sucks crap. I'm serious - Brazil got a pass on the issue. It was overlooked for other reasons.

I totally agree. And 65.000 for the athletics competition is inadequate. Oh well. Whatcha gonna do?

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I really don't have a problem with it. The marathon isn't going to even end in the stadium.

It's different, but not horrible in my opinion. I would just want there to be an cauldron at JH stadium as well.

Nothing says "Green Games" like useless flames polluting the air.

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Well - the ceremonies of Paris 1900 took place at the velodrome - that was the first and the last time so far that the ceremonies were not held in the tack and field venue.

Personally I am absolutely not a fan of that since athletics is the main sport of the Olympic Games and the venue for track and field is a kind of home during the games...

For the Paris 1992, there was a proposal to have the Opening Ceremony on the Champs Elysees (the most famous street in Paris and one of the larger and longer where you could host so many people on both sides...).

And that's good. You have to bring the games at the heart of your city. I would love to see an opening ceremony in a temporary stadium, on Champs de Mars (park at bottom of the Eiffel Tower) with the Eiffel Tower used at Cauldron.....

Regarding the story of the "olympic stadium" is the one of both Athletics & Ceremonies... i don't like it soo much too. An Olympic Stadium is one which hosted olympic events. So, all the ones for soccer events, hockey, ... are olympic stadia !

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I totally agree. And 65.000 for the athletics competition is inadequate. Oh well. Whatcha gonna do?

Joao Havelange stadium capacity will be 70,000 to the Olympic Games.

See some pictures of the stadium. While building it for PanAm, they reserved two areas for expansions in case of a Rio's victory.

IOC requires 65,000.

About Maracana and JH cauldron, Yes, probably will be two cauldron.

There are plans for a ceremony when the flame will be carried from Maracana to JH (a mini torch relay and a ceremony specially for the athletics).

Maracana is a soccer stadium the size of tribunes is exactly made for a soccer stadium, with no place for an athletics path.

It's impossible to put an athletics path on the most known stadium of the world.

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Guys, Rio will host the Olympics in the south-american way...

With cauldron and ceremonies in a soccer stadium, Marathon ending in the sambadrome (this will be amazing), canoe-kayak in the middle of the city...

It will be different olympics to celebrate a new continent with new things to show

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I totally agree. And 65.000 for the athletics competition is inadequate. Oh well. Whatcha gonna do?

You could not say that. Most of the time the Stadium is half empty (qualification session). Yes, for some finals, you would be able to host more than 100,000 peoples. But for all men 100m finals, your stadium will be always to small.

So I think that 65,000 seats is a reasonable thing. Let's have the maximum attendance first for both sessions...

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And didn't Washington DC propose having the ceremonies on the National Mall?

yes.

Also, 2 stadia idea was proposed by Chicago early on. USOC sort of shot that idea down when they moved the stadium to Washington Park.

New York 1984 plan also called for athletes march down Broadway.

When they have the Olympics wherever I want it to be--actually in my dream city of Sta. Paquita, Kansas, Ceremonies will be in 5 stadia -- one stadium for each color of the rings!! It will be a TOTAL 5-ring circus!! :lol:

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