olympian Posted October 2, 2009 Report Share Posted October 2, 2009 cslopes54: sailing either at the harbor or hyannis will be stunning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamH Posted October 2, 2009 Report Share Posted October 2, 2009 The Europeans are already carving up 2020. Why should they get it when 2012 is London. It should go to USA or Africa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athan Posted October 2, 2009 Report Share Posted October 2, 2009 The Europeans are already carving up 2020. Why should they get it when 2012 is London. It should go to USA or Africa. Why should USA get it when 2016 is Rio? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cslopes54 Posted October 2, 2009 Report Share Posted October 2, 2009 cslopes54: sailing either at the harbor or hyannis will be stunning. I went on my senior yr cruise at BOston, the landscape and the horizon is very pretty. At hyannis I just got to visit the ports and the water is very hot at summer, tho this yr it took long to warm up. Thriatlans would freeze hahah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cslopes54 Posted October 2, 2009 Report Share Posted October 2, 2009 Why should USA get it when 2016 is Rio? bc rio in South and US is north America lol.. Africa 2020 is unlikely becuz 2 new frontiers in a row is risky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
code1390 Posted October 2, 2009 Report Share Posted October 2, 2009 Why should USA get it when 2016 is Rio? So two hours ago its "South America has never hosted" and now its "the Americas are one why should they get two straight games"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apple Posted October 2, 2009 Report Share Posted October 2, 2009 I can see Toronto placing a bid for 2020. It'll be fresh with the 2015 Pan Am Games, Toronto is likely to win it's Pan Am bid on November 4th (thanks Rio). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athensfan Posted October 2, 2009 Report Share Posted October 2, 2009 The U.S. absolutely should not bid for 2020. I will think they are foolhardy if they try. Obviously something is not right in the USOC. They have to get that fixed. The problems are big enough that they will not be repaired in 4 years time. Chicago's problem was not the bid, so it must be the relationships. There's no other explanation. I could definitely see Asia in 2020 -- Busan or Tokyo. For some reason, Europe doesn't feel quite right -- not enough of a contrast to Rio -- unless there was a German bid or something from eastern Europe. I know many argue that the WOG and SOG are completely separate entities, but I suspect 2018 will have some impact on 2020 -- especially if an Pyeongchang or Harbin wins. In that case, I'd be shocked if 2020 went to Asia -- it would almost have to go to Europe. Similarly if it's Annecy or Munich, a European SOG would feel like overkill. Some are suggesting that Madrid's presence in the third round proves continental rotation is not a factor. I disagree. Madrid sort of ended up there by default. It turned out Rio WAS everybody's second choice. After Chicago went down in flames, it was sort of a mathematical fluke that Madrid made it to the third round. It doesn't appear to me that the IOC would have actually kept the Games in Europe. The Madrid block remained relatively unchanged, suggesting that there was just a flock of die-hards who love JAS. I don't see the IOC doing back to back new frontiers w/ South Africa. Similarly, I don't really see them going for anything too outside of the box (i.e. Istanbul). They're going to want something pretty solid and reliable. I still think Tokyo might work.... (unless Pyeongchang foils it). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olympian Posted October 2, 2009 Report Share Posted October 2, 2009 Toronto should mount a bid for 2020. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athensfan Posted October 2, 2009 Report Share Posted October 2, 2009 I can see Toronto placing a bid for 2020. It'll be fresh with the 2015 Pan Am Games, Toronto is likely to win it's Pan Am bid on November 4th (thanks Rio). I can imagine that too, dunno if the IOC would go for it though. Especially so soon after Vancouver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinderella Posted October 2, 2009 Report Share Posted October 2, 2009 I really don't see 2020 as Europe time. Asian, African, North American and maybe Istanbul will have the force. Madrid, Rome & the others should wait until 2024. Paris stated on July 7th 2005 that the city will not be bidding "for a long time ahead". I also believe, as Athensfan, that USA should also be out of the race for at least 2020. The IOC somehow deserves this kind of gesture from the USOC. Just my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr.x Posted October 2, 2009 Report Share Posted October 2, 2009 2020 is still too soon for Toronto with Vancouver....i think the most realistic chance for a successful Toronto bid will be in 2024. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenadian Posted October 2, 2009 Report Share Posted October 2, 2009 If Toronto wins the 2015 PanAms, they'll be in the middle of planning them when the IOC votes next in 2013. I don't see that flying well with anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olympian Posted October 2, 2009 Report Share Posted October 2, 2009 If Toronto wins the 2015 PanAms, they'll be in the middle of planning them when the IOC votes next in 2013. I don't see that flying well with anyone.they voted for Rio who's hosting the World Cup in 2014. Seoul hosted the Asian Games 2 years before the olympics. its a perfectly valid bid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athensfan Posted October 2, 2009 Report Share Posted October 2, 2009 I really don't see 2020 as Europe time. Asian, African, North American and maybe Istanbul will have the force. Madrid, Rome & the others should wait until 2024. Paris stated on July 7th 2005 that the city will not be bidding "for a long time ahead". I also believe, as Athensfan, that USA should also be out of the race for at least 2020. The IOC somehow deserves this kind of gesture from the USOC. Just my opinion. Cinderella, what do you mean when you say the IOC "deserves this kind of gesture from the USOC?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olympian Posted October 2, 2009 Report Share Posted October 2, 2009 Cinderella, what do you mean when you say the IOC "deserves this kind of gesture from the USOC?"i think he's stating that the USOC should shun the IOC for sometime before bidding again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiTown16 Posted October 2, 2009 Report Share Posted October 2, 2009 I really don't see 2020 as Europe time. Asian, African, North American and maybe Istanbul will have the force. Madrid, Rome & the others should wait until 2024. Paris stated on July 7th 2005 that the city will not be bidding "for a long time ahead". I also believe, as Athensfan, that USA should also be out of the race for at least 2020. The IOC somehow deserves this kind of gesture from the USOC. Just my opinion. Even more appropriately - Tulsa 2020! Wasilla 2022! And Cheyenne 2024! - Offer a low 30% offer for USOC revenue sharing! - Aim for the low single digits with the next few elections until the IOC complains about having to waste their time on U.S. bids. CHItown '16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinderella Posted October 2, 2009 Report Share Posted October 2, 2009 i think he's stating that the USOC should shun the IOC for sometime before bidding again. Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krow Posted October 2, 2009 Report Share Posted October 2, 2009 i don't see why the US shouldn't bid. i get the problems in the USOC and i get the pride factor that the US would hate to be humiliated 3 times in a row. but gathering all their marbles and refusing to play with the ioc isn't going to send any kind of a statement to them, except that the US has too big of an ego and is too easily discouraged. much more effective to hit them in the wallet, where they'd actually feel it. but if 2020 is going to end up in europe almost by default, why shouldn't the US throw their hat in and provide an alternative? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinderella Posted October 2, 2009 Report Share Posted October 2, 2009 i don't see why the US shouldn't bid. i get the problems in the USOC and i get the pride factor that the US would hate to be humiliated 3 times in a row. but gathering all their marbles and refusing to play with the ioc isn't going to send any kind of a statement to them, except that the US has too big of an ego and is too easily discouraged. much more effective to hit them in the wallet, where they'd actually feel it.but if 2020 is going to end up in europe almost by default, why shouldn't the US throw their hat in and provide an alternative? I don't see why 2020 is Europe's time again. Actually, Asian games will be farther (2008) than Europeans (2012). Tokyo will have a shot, and who knows... maybe Busan or the Asian part of Istanbul In addition, Asian games in 2020 will be a sharper contrast to Rio 2016. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSTOUT1221 Posted October 2, 2009 Report Share Posted October 2, 2009 I seriously doubt the US will present a bid for 2020 and hope they do not. Until the relationship between the IOC and USOC is resolved in some satisfactory manner, any bid will be doomed to fail. This was the best US bid ever and still didn't get out of the 1st round! Not exactly encouraging for other hosts to put $100M into a bid only to fail. I think they need to wait until the IOC 'needs' the US again (if they ever do) and then step in to save the day ---- may not ever happen but that seems to be when the IOC turns to the US most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athensfan Posted October 2, 2009 Report Share Posted October 2, 2009 i think he's stating that the USOC should shun the IOC for sometime before bidding again. Hmm. "shun?" I don't know that that's the right play. I'm sure the USOC will be tempted to get very prickly w/ the IOC regarding revenues, the Olympic network, etc. This would be the wrong move. Even though the USOC must feel incredibly insulted, they need to keep their act together and take the high road. Clearly, the IOC is not interested in American bids. It would be best to say nothing on the subject and remain out of future races -- not as a way of "punishing" the IOC, but as a way of re-evaluating and taking stock. Participate in the Olympic movement in other ways. Develop some of those relationships that are so obviously lacking. Don't even THINK about bidding again until the atmosphere is radically different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athensfan Posted October 2, 2009 Report Share Posted October 2, 2009 I seriously doubt the US will present a bid for 2020 and hope they do not. Until the relationship between the IOC and USOC is resolved in some satisfactory manner, any bid will be doomed to fail. This was the best US bid ever and still didn't get out of the 1st round! Not exactly encouraging for other hosts to put $100M into a bid only to fail. I think they need to wait until the IOC 'needs' the US again (if they ever do) and then step in to save the day ---- may not ever happen but that seems to be when the IOC turns to the US most. Everything you said is right on target. I would add that the USOC should not even TALK about the possibility of future Olympic bids. They should make it very clear so that nobody (including the mayors of Tulsa and Birmingham) can miss the point. The U.S. is going to take a back seat for a while. We're in a rebuilding phase with the IOC. We will not be bidding for anything any time soon. We are going to focus on doing everything we can to help the Olympic Movement in other ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cslopes54 Posted October 2, 2009 Report Share Posted October 2, 2009 If Toronto wins the 2015 PanAms, they'll be in the middle of planning them when the IOC votes next in 2013. I don't see that flying well with anyone. yes.. from vancouver to toronto its 10 years apart.. BUT! i will be just 3 years the voting after the olympics in Van. also there'll be too much planning for a panAms and Sog. Toronto should do liek Rio, first get the chance to show off with the PAG then put on a bid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkiFreak Posted October 2, 2009 Report Share Posted October 2, 2009 BostonToronto Rome Cape Town I would keep an eye on those four. Especially Rome and Cape Town. Still don't know for sure about Boston. I like this selection too. If not Boston, maybe Chicago should take another crack at it. As for us here in Canada, I strongly believe Toronto will be the next Canadian city to host the Olympics, maybe not in 2020 but sometime down the road they will host. Even though we are hosting next year, Vancouver is a city that's well positioned to host both winter and summer games. Let's see what the outcome of 2010 will be first. As for Cape Town or South Africa in general, I think that's where the games may be heading next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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