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Naah.  It's the UN-New York staff that don't want to move.  Vienna had a whole UN City built outside the city sometime in the late '70s hoping to lure the UN there.  Didn't work.  The UN staff preferred to stay in NY.

About 70% of UN staff is non-American. The only all-American department in the UN is their police.

Doesn't or didn't matter.  At the time, many of them (the career staffers, anyway) also held U.S. green cards and had settled lives (homes, schools, extended family, etc.) in the New York area.  I don't know what the sentiment now is.  But remember, a smaller city too has to provide offices, homes, all the support services, limos, 4-star hotels for about 200 missions of varying sizes.  So you have to take that into consideration.

Brussels has the NATO staff and the European Parliament, so, what problem?

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Naah.  It's the UN-New York staff that don't want to move.  Vienna had a whole UN City built outside the city sometime in the late '70s hoping to lure the UN there.  Didn't work.  The UN staff preferred to stay in NY.

About 70% of UN staff is non-American. The only all-American department in the UN is their police.

Doesn't or didn't matter.  At the time, many of them (the career staffers, anyway) also held U.S. green cards and had settled lives (homes, schools, extended family, etc.) in the New York area.  I don't know what the sentiment now is.  But remember, a smaller city too has to provide offices, homes, all the support services, limos, 4-star hotels for about 200 missions of varying sizes.  So you have to take that into consideration.

City Hall doesn't want the UN in NYC anymore, that has been clear for almost a decade now. The main operations won't be moved to Europe because of the offices in Vienna and Geneva and putting principle headquaters in Japan or Australia is illogical. The only cities that could fit would be somewhere else in the US or in Canada, the idea of transfering the offices to Montreal has been around for awhile. The thought of putting them in the old Expo ground was also there at one point.

Also Baron the offices are usually out of the consulets(sp), Most of the Muslim nations for instance hold their consulets and UN offices in one office building on 1st right across from the UN.

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Brussels has the NATO staff and the European Parliament, so, what problem?

European Parliament is in Strasbourg - it's the EU Commision that's in Brussels - but it takes precedence over the Parliament anyway so your point is still valid with regards to Brussels.

On the point of where the UN should be based, I've always thought the perfect place would be Geneva - Switzerland is a completely neutral country by tradition and very secure even when the rest of Europe was at war.  I've only just joined this topic so not sure what's been said so far, but there have been a few problems with New York in the past, as when the PLO wanted to speak to the UN but the US wouldn't allow Yasser Arafat into America - he had to speak to them in neutral Switzerland.

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Naah.  It's the UN-New York staff that don't want to move.  Vienna had a whole UN City built outside the city sometime in the late '70s hoping to lure the UN there.  Didn't work.  The UN staff preferred to stay in NY.

About 70% of UN staff is non-American. The only all-American department in the UN is their police.

Doesn't or didn't matter.  At the time, many of them (the career staffers, anyway) also held U.S. green cards and had settled lives (homes, schools, extended family, etc.) in the New York area.  I don't know what the sentiment now is.  But remember, a smaller city too has to provide offices, homes, all the support services, limos, 4-star hotels for about 200 missions of varying sizes.  So you have to take that into consideration.

City Hall doesn't want the UN in NYC anymore, that has been clear for almost a decade now. The main operations won't be moved to Europe because of the offices in Vienna and Geneva and putting principle headquaters in Japan or Australia is illogical. The only cities that could fit would be somewhere else in the US or in Canada, the idea of transfering the offices to Montreal has been around for awhile. The thought of putting them in the old Expo ground was also there at one point.

Also Baron the offices are usually out of the consulets(sp), Most of the Muslim nations for instance hold their consulets and UN offices in one office building on 1st right across from the UN.

Yeah, that's for countries with consulates in NYC.  ANd indeed most of them are housed in the same building.  But not all countries have consulates in a big city like NYC.  So some countries just have the U.N. Mission office.  But again, you will need to house what-have-u consulates/combined w/ the UN Mission Offices, etc. - or any combination thereof, of the nearly 200 nations.  ANd probably VERY Securely nowadays.

Mikel, you say what's the problem?  Ask the UN.  I was just relating that 2 or 3 decades ago, a European nation (AUstria) tried to lure the UN General Assembly out of New York -- and it didn't happen.  And because I worked there, I know the inside story (or part of it) -- why it didn't happen.  Again, you don't have to take it so defensively.  No one's arguing with you that NATO and the Euro Parliament aren't in Brussels.  The discussion here is about a possible move of the UN offices in NYC (the General Assembly for now).   BTW, isn't the Euro Parliament supposed to be in Strasbourg, or is that the Euro Council?  BTW, notice that I am being civil to you here...   :suspect:

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Brussels has the NATO staff and the European Parliament, so, what problem?

European Parliament is in Strasbourg - it's the EU Commision that's in Brussels - but it takes precedence over the Parliament anyway so your point is still valid with regards to Brussels.

On the point of where the UN should be based, I've always thought the perfect place would be Geneva - Switzerland is a completely neutral country by tradition and very secure even when the rest of Europe was at war.  I've only just joined this topic so not sure what's been said so far, but there have been a few problems with New York in the past, as when the PLO wanted to speak to the UN but the US wouldn't allow Yasser Arafat into America - he had to speak to them in neutral Switzerland.

If the headquaters where to move to Europe, I would hope that it would be Oslo, Stockholm or London.

The only place that has ever been mentioned as the new headquarters has been Canada to keep a office in NA.

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Brussels has the NATO staff and the European Parliament, so, what problem?

European Parliament is in Strasbourg - it's the EU Commision that's in Brussels - but it takes precedence over the Parliament anyway so your point is still valid with regards to Brussels.

On the point of where the UN should be based, I've always thought the perfect place would be Geneva - Switzerland is a completely neutral country by tradition and very secure even when the rest of Europe was at war.  I've only just joined this topic so not sure what's been said so far, but there have been a few problems with New York in the past, as when the PLO wanted to speak to the UN but the US wouldn't allow Yasser Arafat into America - he had to speak to them in neutral Switzerland.

If the headquaters where to move to Europe, I would hope that it would be Oslo, Stockholm or London.

The only place that has ever been mentioned as the new headquarters has been Canada to keep a office in NA.

London would be no better than New York - its foreign policy is far too politically contentious at times.  I don't think a permanent home for the UN should be in any of the permanent members of the Security Council - Washington/New York, London, Paris, Moscow and Beijing already have substantially more power at the UN than other nations - having the HQ of the UN in any of those countries would only increase their influence further.  Add to the permanent five Brazil, Germany, India and Japan who will most likely soon join them as constant members of the Security Council.

Stockholm and Oslo can also be discounted as possible homes for the UN (in my opinion) because their foreign policy is also already influence substantially by members already on the Security Council.  Norway is a member of NATO so its position of neutrality could be compromised if another member of NATO is involved in a conflict, and of course the structure of NATO is reliant on the US's military power.  Sweden is a member of the EU which has been experiencing greater cooperation in foreign policy for sometime, and EU foreign policy is dominated by France and the UK.

I think the neutrality of the host city is extremely important as diplomats will inevitably be influenced by subtle external forces whether they realise it or not - local media and cultural differences are bound to have an effect.

Switzerland is not a member of NATO or the EU and is not a strong voice politically abroad, they are a developed country with a high standard of living and there would be no pressure, either deliberate or unintentional, to comply with local opinion.

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Well it looks most definite that Toronto will put forth a bid. City Hall is currently reviewing everything and the city councillors will vote on Tuesday May 23 I believe on whether to go forward with the bid. From then, it will be sent to the Provincial and Federal government for their approval and submission to the BIE.
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Well it looks most definite that Toronto will put forth a bid. City Hall is currently reviewing everything and the city councillors will vote on Tuesday May 23 I believe on whether to go forward with the bid. From then, it will be sent to the Provincial and Federal government for their approval and submission to the BIE.

Oh, you mean the EXPO.

For a minute there I thought you were talking about the UN HQ.

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I just got my hands on the site plan for Toronto's proposed 2015 Expo. Check it out.

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Port Lands Site Plan Legend

1. Main Gate (Gate 1): It is anticipated that a major influx of visitors would approach the site at this gate, which is close to the city centre. Under an expansive welcoming roof that stretches along Commissioners Street, the gate is designed to meet ticketing and security requirements for 1,000 guests per hour per turnstile.

2. Secondary Gate (Gate 2): Also located under the welcoming roof structure, this would be another popular access point to the site. There is a length of space for 16 coach buses or other mass transit vehicles to easily pull in and drop guests off between Gates One and Two. Both the Main and Secondary Gates are located across from Commissioners Park.

3. East Gate: Located near the Turning Basin, this gate would guide visitors into the far end of the site, permitting them to walk along the north side of the dockwall or to cross a new bridge to the south side.

4. Commissioners Park: This 17-hectare park that includes community sports fields, a TWRC-led project slated for completion prior to 2015, would offer a visual carpet of green immediately in front of the main gates.

5. Plaza of Nations: A large open space to support a gathering of over 10,000 people, this central space would be the cultural heart of Expo 2015. In order to capitalize on its welcoming feature inside a major arrival point and its proximity to the large water-based venue close by, the space would include a logical north–south pedestrian route into the site that has been enlarged to support peak crowd flow as a gathering and events space. Innovation would prevail as pedestrians could initiate ever-changing coloured light patterns under foot as they walk. Tall, tilted masts, fitted with solar disks, nod to the east, mimicking the angle of the adjacent Canada pavilion.

6. Canada Pavilion: The tallest and most prominent building on the lands, the Canada Pavilion’s iconic legacy architecture would draw inspiration from the past as its spirited sail (or teepee-like form) looks toward the Expo site on one side and opens up to the city on the other. A long, low base stretches west, ending in a specialized state-of-the-art Great Lakes Discovery Centre submerged into the lake. Sustainable in all respects, this pavilion has a life after Expo. During the Expo, this world-class pavilion would present a strong message of unity and harmony and would showcase our collective achievements as all the provinces and territories unite under one “roofscape” to present their distinctive attributes. The City of Toronto could play international host at Club 2015, located in the peak.

7. Great Lakes Discovery Centre: A special legacy tourist and local destination that would be located at the end of a quay as part of the Canada Pavilion during Expo.

8. Amphitheatre: A major covered performance venue for 5,000 people, strategically positioned on the water’s edge and facing the city skyline beyond. Intended for large performances, including fireworks and music, various stage configurations are envisioned in the water to meet a variety of functions. An enclosed electronic “billboard” could address both the Expo site and the city beyond.

9. Innovative Housing: A small percentage of staff working on the Expo site would come from abroad for the set-up, duration, and decommissioning of the site. While many of these employees may be billeted as part of a multicultural initiative, some would require housing either on or near the site. Affordable housing units already anticipated to be built north of the site in the West Don Lands and west of the site in East Bayfront may be available to coincide with the Expo period, but more are required. This need offers an opportunity to include a highly progressive demonstration housing project as part of the Expo programming. A dockside location, just outside the main gate, could allow this project to offer tours during the event.

10. International Business Centre: This facility, located near the main gate, would offer much-needed assistance, including conference facilities and technological support for visitors. Part of the mandate would be to provide special services for developing countries. The location is strategic, since post- Expo the building is envisioned to be an Imagination Centre for Creative Cities, accessed directly from Commissioners Street when the gates are removed.

11. Theme Pavilion: As part of an exposition, the host country generally creates several pavilions that represent it in form and content, one of the sub-themes of the current Expo. A placeholder has been positioned along Commissioners Street in anticipation that it could become a community centre or other required facility post-Expo. Depending upon community need and theme requirements on the site, this location may be changed. Similarly, on the south side of the dockwall, near the Don Greenway and Lake Ontario Park, a theme pavilion is suggested and may become a school in the future.

12. Theme Pavilion: Similarly, a second theme pavilion, adjacent to #11, might become a library or serve a similar function post-Expo. Both structures could be accessed directly from the north side after the gates and the roof structure overhead are removed. It is possible that the expansive roof form may be considered a positive enduring element along the south edge of Commissioners Park, creating another legacy and informing the design of the

roofscape itself.

13. Performance Venue: An anchor position on the site at the east end of the Ship Channel, this venue would allow a spectacle of colour and form as swirling tent structures fly over part of the Turning Basin, a floating stage with cantilevered seating for 2,000 people.

14. Hearn: It is hoped that part of the structure could be adaptively re-used for various functions during the Expo, particularly restaurant, retail, or even some small pavilion displays. In any event, the character of the façade or building at large will add character and ambiance along the new promenade/dockwall.

15. Amusement Park: Considered a popular element of a fair, this festive park would offer an unusual experience as rides for both adults and children are located within a green labyrinth—a huge Ferris wheel and other interactive and passive events are being considered.

16. World Museum of Aboriginal Art: Hinting at a theme that may include “humanity” and its potential to create a participatory, connected world, this pavilion would be a legacy on the site. Positioned within view of the major

gate at the end of the Plaza of Nations, it would be clearly visible from many directions. Its location, fronting on Cherry Street, could be integrated in future development blocks.

17. Entertainment Venue: Strategically placed with views in all directions, this dining, cabaret, and café venue would look both inward to a courtyard ambiance and outward to the lake on a projecting patio.

18. Shipping Facility: The existing shipping facility would have access through the Expo site throughout the fair’s duration. Vessels traveling up the Ship Channel under full security during the Expo could add credibility to the historic industrial components of the Port Lands.

19. Lake Ontario Park – Cherry Beach: This is a new park legacy, which may be used in part as off-site breakout open space during the fair. Visitors would have the opportunity to share this valuable beach land. During the Expo, sculptures and water features may be introduced. Those wishing to visit Lake Ontario Park only will still have free access to the park via Unwin Avenue without having to go through the Expo site.

20. Parking Structure: Although this would be a transit-oriented Expo, there is a requirement for parking to satisfy special needs. Several options are being considered, all close to the fairgrounds but outside the gates. This location could be used for a multi-tier above-ground parking structure. In the lands just north of this parcel, there is an opportunity to create coach bus parking. There are further opportunities to accommodate parking for 150 buses on lands across Leslie Street on the Ashbridges Bay lands that are already being used for surface parking.

21. Parking: A possible alternate option for part of the parking requirement may be an on-grade, temporary greened parking lot north of Unwin Avenue near Leslie Street. This site will only be considered as a temporary solution if all the parking cannot be accommodated in the parking structure.

22. Cherry Street Bridge: A refurbished lift bridge would be required and would remain as a legacy. During Expo, the bridge may be embellished with lighting to reinforce the extension of the Plaza of Nations. Inventive forms and crosschannel lighting can achieve this illumination.

23. Don Roadway Bridge: This new lift bridge, providing critical pedestrian movement across the channel, would remain as part of the new neighbourhood development.

24. Bridge at Turning Basin: This required lift bridge would prove useful today and tomorrow. It is envisioned that the three bridges across the Channel may be designed as sculptural pieces in the Expo park. With innovative coordination, the artful handrail forms could be distinctive and provide overlapping perspectives from various vantage points on the site.

25. Cable Car Experience: Most Expos provide an overhead ride that allows visitors an orientation of the fair and an interesting method of transportation from one end to the other. Several stops are being considered, starting between the two main gates and with the cable extending out over the water. The cars could dramatically slow down to allow views in all directions - the islands, skyline, and lake with boats sailing beyond. The ride would continue around the Museum and travel until it reached the Turning Basin. Stops would often coincide with the bridges to make pedestrian connections obvious.

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26. Human Kaleidoscope: Throughout the Expo, there would be opportunities to provide unexpected delights and experiences—both within pavilions and other venues and within the varied hard and soft landscapes. One such opportunity might be constructed on the long, low roof extending from the Canada pavilion. Connected by an accessible ramp, a colourful, highly graphic walking surface would be punctuated by giant rows of mirrored spherical, hovering “trees.” Reflections of many colours underfoot contrasted with those of the water, city, and people would challenge visitors’ perceptions of space and form. Participants could walk between and around the spheres, which would seem to disappear in favour of the reflections. Night lighting would add another dimension.

27. Dockwall: One of the most appreciated legacies of this fair may become the revitalization and humanization of the Port Land’s dockwall experience. Over 7,000 linear metres of dockwall could be designed as a pedestrian edge along the Channel and the outer quays, as shown. An ambiance learned from ourexperience with the Toronto Harbourfront, and from Amsterdam and Paris with their multi-leveled docks, would create an organizing element for the Expo and a legacy for all time.

28. Lake Ontario Parkside Drive – Unwin: This drive, slightly reconfigured to create a winding route, is contemplated as a treed boulevard park drive from Leslie Street into Lake Ontario Park and then west toward Cherry Street. This infrastructure would enhance the Expo grounds and, again, provide a legacy for the park.

29. Theatre: Situated along the dockwall in a vibrant café, dining, and cabaret zone just south of the Film Port District, this 500-seat theatre would offer special performances throughout the Toronto 2015 World Expo including live theatre or movie premieres and provide a much-needed venue post-Expo.

30. Electronic Totem Poles: As the host country, Canada has an opportunity to showcase its past while inspiring its future. Throughout the fairgrounds, presentations, performances, and specially-created environments can challenge expectations and create delight. One such manifestation of this approach could be the very tall and slim structures shown punctuating the dockwall. They would call to mind Native Canadians’ meaningful and colourful

totem poles, which remain memorable artifacts in Canada to this day. These “interventions” have many purposes, from way-finding and general information kiosks to magical light sources along the walkway that beam across the channel, But most of all, they would be defining urban elements of electronic art.

31. Pontoons: Designed as one- or two-storey forms, floating water pavilions (pontoon forms) could respond to the need for cross-channel connections at any point along the way, shifting dockside to permit vessel passage. Among other possible presentation uses, each pontoon could serve as an interactive bridge with strategically incorporated performance venues, such as a stage for cabarets and bands or as an interesting dining venue.

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Who knows, roltel. There has been "talk" about moving the UN HQ to Canada to either Toronto or Montreal, since who knows when. Also, someone (and I mean anyone) may start thinking, "Hey, if Toronto does win Expo 2015, why don't we start asking the UN to move in after the event is over?"

Anyway, getting back in topic, what is the possible theme for a Toronto Expo 2015 bid? Izmir named one for its bid already.

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I think countries should bid to have the U.N. headquarters -- every 4 years!!   :wwww:  Continental rotation should definitely go into effect!!  

:wwww: What about Rome, Madrid or Athens?

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Who knows, roltel. There has been "talk" about moving the UN HQ to Canada to either Toronto or Montreal, since who knows when. Also, someone (and I mean anyone) may start thinking, "Hey, if Toronto does win Expo 2015, why don't we start asking the UN to move in after the event is over?"

Anyway, getting back in topic, what is the possible theme for a Toronto Expo 2015 bid? Izmir named one for its bid already.

The Spirit of Ingenuity.

It's taken from a previous Toronto Star article.

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Guess this is the logo

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That's not the logo. Someone made that for that unofficial Toronto Expo website. They still need to release the real logo. YTO2008 posted the existing logo earlier in this thread but its just basically all text, nothing really much.

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So I guess with this plan it'll eventually kill Toronto Island Airport?

That's the plan.

Toronto's waterfront is going to look amazing. Currently there is an international contest for the rights to work on Toronto's waterfront. The city narrowed it down to 5 plans and everyone can vote on the best plan. Construction on the winning plan should begin this fall. I'll post the pics of those soon.

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Toronto's city council voted to go forward placing a bid for Expo 2015 with a vote of 37-2. Everything looks good now, we just have to wait for the Provincial and Federal governments approval.

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Madrid has the eye on Olympics. Although I think the IAAF Word Championships and an Expo could help the bid B)

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