DannyelBrazil Posted October 9, 2009 Report Posted October 9, 2009 I've already stopped, I'm invinting the paulistas to talk about Sao Paulo being the host city for soccer in World Cup and SOG...
Rogerioandrade Posted October 9, 2009 Report Posted October 9, 2009 I've already stopped, I'm invinting the paulistas to talk about Sao Paulo being the host city for soccer in World Cup and SOG... Yes... this is way more useful and interesting. What´s the role of both Sao Paulo and Belo Horizonte as hosts of the preliminaries of soccer? What those cities are going to do in order to recieve the national teams and media profesionals ? Let´s discuss that. Although I think that it´s a little bit early for that yet.
DannyelBrazil Posted October 9, 2009 Report Posted October 9, 2009 I don't think so, since Rio 2016 projects say it will use the same venues for World Cup 2014 and Sao Paulo Morumbi's projects have faced obstacles with Fifa... Should Sao Paulo build a new stadium?
Victor Mata Posted October 15, 2009 Report Posted October 15, 2009 Zagallo - AlagoasTostão - Minas Gerais Falcão - Santa Catarina Everaldo - Rio Grande do Sul Clodoaldo - Sergipe Vavá - Pernambuco Sócrates - Pará Etc... Exchange Marta for Zagallo as Alagoas representative. I think the last time the man visited here was during the foundation of the state.
DannyelBrazil Posted October 16, 2009 Report Posted October 16, 2009 I stated here many times that Rio is our most famous and simbolistic city, we all agree with that, but saying that Rio itself is the "very center" of Brazil, ignoring the rest of the country is too much of arrogance and ignorance.Rio is the perfect city for stagin the OG in Brazil, and while it´s true that the country must concentrate a great part of its investiment in this city for the next years, it doesn´t mean, in any way, that everything that is done in Brazil is just for or around Rio. There´s plenty of life all over the country. I agree with you... But Brazil-Rio case is not the only in the world... How about Paris be the "center" of France? They have great cities as Nice, Bordeaux, Cannes... But almost everything is held in Paris and besides Cannes Festival, you heard only things and main international events in Paris (well, last olympics in 1924)...
aluz Posted October 16, 2009 Report Posted October 16, 2009 I agree with you... But Brazil-Rio case is not the only in the world...How about Paris be the "center" of France? They have great cities as Nice, Bordeaux, Cannes... But almost everything is held in Paris and besides Cannes Festival, you heard only things and main international events in Paris (well, last olympics in 1924)... Dannyel, This was totally off. Paris is by far the largest and most iconic city of France. It would be the same as Rio until the early 60's when it was both as well. Paris is both the economic and tourist center. Nice, Marseille, Bordeaux, Lyon, Strasbourg and other second tier cities are much smaller and Cannes is an 80.000 inhabitants city (I know it very well since it's where I am living). The series of festivals held in Cannes was a result of the existence of Palais des Festivals which is a convention center that holds exhibits of all types and basically supports the city as a whole. Other than that and tourism, there is not a lot of opportunity in Cannes. Most of the people who live here work in Nice (20 min away) or in Sophia Antipolis, a center for high-tech companies. If you want to do such a comparison, use Milan and Rome. That's a very similar case: business center vs. iconic city. Probably, that's why Rome has hosted the SOG, while Milan has not.
Rogerioandrade Posted October 16, 2009 Report Posted October 16, 2009 Not to mention that Paris is the capital of France and the main financial, business and political center of the country, at the same time. In Brazil, there´s not a single city that represents and holds all the things in the country. That´s the case of, for example, Buenos Aires in Argentina or Lima in Peru. While our capital and main political center is Brasilia, our largest financial and business center is Sao Paulo. Rio is our main touristic port, it has a big art/film/entertainment industry and it´s a cultural hub, but we have many cities that are cultural references in our country: Manaus, Recife, Salvador, Porto Alegre, the already quoted Sao Paulo, Fortaleza, Sao Luis, Goiania etc. Each of them has a particular characteristic that differs a lot from the others, be it local art/music or festivals. In this sense, we could compare Rio to Barcelona or Osaka
aluz Posted October 16, 2009 Report Posted October 16, 2009 In this sense, we could compare Rio to Barcelona or Osaka Barcelona would be a fair comparison, but Osaka would be way off. I think the best comparison is still Milan and Rome. Even if the capital is moved out of Rome, it would still be the most iconic city in Italy. When people think of Italy they think of Rome (Colosseum and Fontana di Trevi), when they think of Brazil, Rio comes to their minds (Sugar Loaf and Corcovado) - that's what I mean by iconic. Brasilia is to Brazil what Washington DC is to the US. Nothing but a capital. It is not that important economically or culturally. And the other Brazilian cities you've mentioned are well below the status of Rio and SP.
Victor Mata Posted October 16, 2009 Report Posted October 16, 2009 Brasilia is to Brazil what Washington DC is to the US. Nothing but a capital. It is not that important economically or culturally. Not really. Brasília is iconic in its own way from it's architecture to its map. The thing is we usually receive terrible news from the Federal District and some people end up resentful of Brasília because of that. And the other Brazilian cities you've mentioned are well below the status of Rio and SP. Of course they are. Being media centers, Rio and SP draw to themselves most of the attention and because of that, they build their own status and even the other's status(TV, Newspapers, cinema). A gaúcho see a potiguar looking through lenses from São Paulo. Mineiros are portrayed by a Rio de Janeiro perspective. This is completely natural for cities as large as those two, I'm not complaining about that. Look at a regional example: Recife is host to the Northeast branch of Globo TV. It's a large city (not the largest) and culturally important but not culturally representative of the entire region. But that's how Recife portrays itself when it has the chance. Just like Rio de Janeiro, picking itself as cultural capital of the whole country. You see, we barely know what really happens outside Rio and SP, and that's a huge problem for such a diverse country like this one. We end up not knowing each other very well.
aluz Posted October 16, 2009 Report Posted October 16, 2009 Not really. Brasília is iconic in its own way from it's architecture to its map. The thing is we usually receive terrible news from the Federal District and some people end up resentful of Brasília because of that. Not internationally. Most foreigners don't know Brasilia or recognize the city for its architecture and landmarks. The same goes for Salvador with its the low and the high town connected by the Lacerda Elevator. The image of Brazil is attached to the landmarks from Rio, like the image of France is attached to Eiffel tower and the image of Italy to the Colosseum.
Victor Mata Posted October 16, 2009 Report Posted October 16, 2009 The image of Brazil is attached to the landmarks from Rio, like the image of France is attached to Eiffel tower and the image of Italy to the Colosseum. No objections to that.
Rogerioandrade Posted October 16, 2009 Report Posted October 16, 2009 The image of Brazil is attached to the landmarks from Rio, like the image of France is attached to Eiffel tower and the image of Italy to the Colosseum. Agreed. I just cited Osaka as a example because it is an important business center in Japan, but not so large as Tokyo, Osaka recieves much more leisure tourists than Tokyo, where most foreigners go for work/study/business, while in Osaka they go for visiting its cultural heritage, historic buildings and natural landscapes. That happens with Sao Paulo/Rio too.
DannyelBrazil Posted October 17, 2009 Report Posted October 17, 2009 In Brazil, there´s not a single city that represents and holds all the things in the country. That´s the case of, for example, Buenos Aires in Argentina or Lima in Peru. 1 - Sure. In Brazil Rio and Sao Paulo plays a similar role as NY and LA in USA (but with reversed international relevance - now you paulistas will get mad on me) 2 - Thanks God we're not like Argentinians (specially those from Buenos Aires, that thinks their city is the center of the world) 3 - Lima means nothing more than an airport, touristically speaking, for Peru...
Rogerioandrade Posted October 19, 2009 Report Posted October 19, 2009 1 - Sure. In Brazil Rio and Sao Paulo plays a similar role as NY and LA in USA (but with reversed international relevance - now you paulistas will get mad on me) hHAHAHHAHAH... Not so much, Danny. Actually, I agree. Of course, NY X LA is a different story.
Feheva Posted October 19, 2009 Report Posted October 19, 2009 1 - Sure. In Brazil Rio and Sao Paulo plays a similar role as NY and LA in USA (but with reversed international relevance - now you paulistas will get mad on me) I also agree with what you mean, but I think you have chosen the wrong word. Instead of "relevance", I would write "recognition". Rio has a higher international recognition, but São Paulo has a higher economic relevance internationaly. NY has higher recognition and economic relevance to the World's eyes. Rio deserves its international recognition. It's a unique and beautiful city!
DannyelBrazil Posted October 19, 2009 Report Posted October 19, 2009 I also agree with what you mean, but I think you have chosen the wrong word. Instead of "relevance", I would write "recognition".Rio has a higher international recognition, but São Paulo has a higher economic relevance internationaly. NY has higher recognition and economic relevance to the World's eyes. Rio deserves its international recognition. It's a unique and beautiful city! Sorry, bad translation... I agree with you
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