No Games For India?

[Augie4040]

So India is in a real mess with the hosting of the COmmonwealth games. There are many venues that are no where near ready and the games are only a year away.

I am sure the IOC had always been keeping an eye on India to see how they would handle an Olympic Games, but the current logisitcal/construction nightmare seems like its put permanant black eye on India that will haunt its future Olympic bids for at least 20 years or longer.

Athens was in Pretty bad shape a year even a few months before the 2004 games, but they pulled off an amazing Olympics.

So will the Commonwealth Games shenanigans permanatly hurt India's bids?

Thought?

[oakydoky]

So India is in a real mess with the hosting of the COmmonwealth games. There are many venues that are no where near ready and the games are only a year away.

I am sure the IOC had always been keeping an eye on India to see how they would handle an Olympic Games, but the current logisitcal/construction nightmare seems like its put permanant black eye on India that will haunt its future Olympic bids for at least 20 years or longer.

Athens was in Pretty bad shape a year even a few months before the 2004 games, but they pulled off an amazing Olympics.

So will the Commonwealth Games shenanigans permanatly hurt India's bids?

Thought?

Well, if the Commonwealth games do not turn out great then obviously that will not be ideal for India's international profile.

However, for a future Olympic bid, say in 2020 at the earliest, then a lot of the infrastructure built for the 2010 CWG will put India in good stead for a tilt at hosting the Olympics.

[Sir Rols]

All of Kuala Lumpur's geat infrastructure and its smooth CWGs in 1998 weren't good enough for the city to even make the short list for the 2008 Olympics just a few years later. I'm sure India, if it does bid for the Olympics in the next decade or so, will point to its CWGs stages as assets, as they will be, but an Olympics will need a whole order of magnitude more, and New Delhi's preps won't have exactly have left fond memories of their planning efficiency.

[IceNarcissus]

India has to experience the same learning curve as everybody else has with big sports events. It's a bit assuming of them to want to jump right into an Olympic bid after what's most likely going to be a just satisfactory CWG, but they are taking the right steps slowly but surely.

[baron-pierreIV]

More than infrastructure, etc., India has to bolster its athletic profile AND show that any future terrorist attax can be dealt with decisively!!

[wingspread]

I never really thought of India as a contender in the Olympic bidding race. I think it's one of the weakest in the new frontiers circle, i.e. weakest not just in organizational experience and expertise but in all other aspects as well.

I think we'll be seeing more SOGs in Europe (plus a couple of new frontiers and an Eastern Asian SOG) before India.

[jim jones]

Well I really don't think New Delhi's terrible conduct of the Capital Phase or the Games is paid attention to by the IOC. In my Manchester 2002 the good the bad and the Ugly http://www.gamesbids.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=14637

you have three years of stories that showed even the Manchester games bordered on the possibility of Cancellation yet no one posted what would be a good news story of how Jacques Rogge declared at the end of the Games that England showed the ability to stage major multi sports events including the summer olympic games . You would think with the Dire predictions of an incomplete stadium by the builders a year before would have had an effect on London 2012 to not have been awarded the games . Also in the same light is the fact England Canceled and dropped hosting responsibilities for the IAAF Worlds in 2005 and then you have the New Wembley Stadium Opening way beyond the target date and way beyond budget bankrupting the primary builder for the Sydney 2000 olympic venues. Those Events in the UK really would not instill much in confidence that the nation was able to have a Capital Construction phase without News Headlines. The Bad news headlines have returned but really London 2012 in regards to the ground has pulled up their socks . The problem has been the deliberate under estimate of cost that seemed to be directed by the former mayor and the Recession that has dried up Public Private Construction funding for the Athletes Village . That has happened in Vancouver as well and is really out of the control of both Committees.

I do think New Delhi's conduct of the capital projects is much more severe frankly but who knows and Asian Games in between in 2019 and the Capital of the World's largest democracy may indeed be primed to bid and win in the 2020's .

Again what indeed drives the choices ? Money , sponsorship and possibly having tops sponsors benefit from host countries . India like China is a market emerging that GE , Coca Cola , Mc Donalds and who ever else is a top sponsor at the time will lick their chops at for shear potential.

As to someone who said it going to Europe more . Well Athens 2004 and London 2012 seems like a fair amount for the 2000's so far. It is not going to Europe for 2016 mostly on 2004 and 2012. Maybe 2020 or 2024 . but you will probably see it going to 12 years between hosting in the near future for Europe with new frontiers emerging . If it is not Chicago for 2016 it will likely be Rio and then you will likely see North America in 2020 or 2024 . Europe will be there but with Beijing 2008 I get the feeling Asia will also be hosting in the 2020s as well.

Jim jones

[Sir Rols]

So, translation is:

India's f*ck-ups are once again proof positive of the shortcomings of the British race, the ineptitude of the UK government, and the rapacity of Europeans in general.

[Rafa]

Uncle Rol, KL's olympic bid failure was just plain laziness.

I remember the report stating something like "havent bothered to find out the correct venue capacity requirements, simply assumed CWG venues would suffice".

[Sir Rols]

Uncle Rol, KL's olympic bid failure was just plain laziness.

I remember the report stating something like "havent bothered to find out the correct venue capacity requirements, simply assumed CWG venues would suffice".

Why waste time and money when you can just cut-and-paste your CWGs end-of-show report into your SOG Bid Book?

[micheal_warren]

More than infrastructure, etc., India has to bolster its athletic profile AND show that any future terrorist attax can be dealt with decisively!!

Thats right SECURITY is the biggest issue with India and its prospects to hosting the games.

[Rob2012]

1. Preparedness. All I've heard regarding the CWG are problems - ticketing, infrastructure, venues. Even if India pulls off a good games (and I hope they do) the bad taste will already have been left. That's not to say such problems cannot be overcome. Britain handing back the 2005 World Athletics Championships didn't harm our 2012 bid in the end, for example. But that was argubly our biggest hurdle in convincing the IOC, whilst India has several others....

2. Security. The fact that the IPL, the biggest sporting event in India and the biggest cricket league in the world, has had to be moved to South Africa is a terrible sign. And the English badminton team flying home is smaller but no less indicative of this problem.

3. Performance. For the last three Olympics India has finished bottom of the population adjusted medal table (number of medals divided by population). 3 medals from a total population of 1,129,866,000 people was their record in 2008. They need to up the ante.

4. And this is a purely outsider's perspective. But I mentioned to some friends who had been to India that they were hosting the CWGs in 2010. They didn't believe me at first. Some of the sights, smells, sounds of Indian city life left them feeling quite uncomfortable after their visit and one of them was upset by what she saw. No doubt India is an amzing country, but is it as tourist friendly a new frontier as somewhere like Rio?

[thatsnotmypuppy]

Uncle Rol, KL's olympic bid failure was just plain laziness.

I remember the report stating something like "havent bothered to find out the correct venue capacity requirements, simply assumed CWG venues would suffice".

Gentlemen - why not refer to the Bid Library?

Kuala Lumpur 2008 - General Infrastructure -

The sports facilities in the city will be located at four main sites, with the majority of sports

less than 30km from the Olympic Village.

Concern was raised over the fact that four sports would be located 60km from the Village,

two sports 80km from the Village and the shooting venue one hour away by plane.

The application states that 91% of facilities required for the Games exist. The majority

were used for the 1998 Commonwealth Games and are considered to be of a good

standard. However, it must be noted that an analysis of Olympic requirements does not

appear to have been carried out. The additional facilities required will only be built if Kuala

Lumpur is awarded the Olympic Games.

Concern regarding the overall sports concept and the location of some of the sports

venues for the Olympic Games in relation to the Olympic Village, is reflected in the low

rating.

[Faster]

1. Preparedness. All I've heard regarding the CWG are problems - ticketing, infrastructure, venues. Even if India pulls off a good games (and I hope they do) the bad taste will already have been left. That's not to say such problems cannot be overcome. Britain handing back the 2005 World Athletics Championships didn't harm our 2012 bid in the end, for example. But that was argubly our biggest hurdle in convincing the IOC, whilst India has several others....

2. Security. The fact that the IPL, the biggest sporting event in India and the biggest cricket league in the world, has had to be moved to South Africa is a terrible sign. And the English badminton team flying home is smaller but no less indicative of this problem.

3. Performance. For the last three Olympics India has finished bottom of the population adjusted medal table (number of medals divided by population). 3 medals from a total population of 1,129,866,000 people was their record in 2008. They need to up the ante.

4. And this is a purely outsider's perspective. But I mentioned to some friends who had been to India that they were hosting the CWGs in 2010. They didn't believe me at first. Some of the sights, smells, sounds of Indian city life left them feeling quite uncomfortable after their visit and one of them was upset by what she saw. No doubt India is an amzing country, but is it as tourist friendly a new frontier as somewhere like Rio?

1. The reason everything isn't glittering is because unlike Beijing, Kuala Lumpur, Athens, and potentially Rio, India was not prepared to through 50 billion dollars at the games because they knew that the other 45 billion could be better spent elsewhere. If India was prepared to bid for the Olympics and be on that stage they would be prepared to spend the required money.

2. The IPL left because the biggest act of democracy was taking place and the IPL organizers expected the government to provide security instead of providing it themselves. India has its priorities right.

3. Just because the English were a bunch of nancies doesn't mean they were right to do so, every other nation competed and there was no incident because their was no threat in Hyderabad. Just like the Indian Government and city officials said and the English didn't listen to. You guys were the Switzerland of the championships (The Swiss withdraw their dressage team from Beijing because of fears of humidity, every one else competed and everything went well with no safety issues to the horses or riders).

4. The CWGF should have given 2010 to Hamilton and 2014 to Delhi. But they only found commonsense 4 years later.

[Rafa]

Gentlemen - why not refer to the Bid Library?

Kuala Lumpur 2008 - General Infrastructure -

I was lazy and trying not to seem nerdy. Unfortunately I remember what those eval reports say in most cases.

[jim jones]

So, translation is:

India's f*ck-ups are once again proof positive of the shortcomings of the British race, the ineptitude of the UK government, and the rapacity of Europeans in general.

no not at all . What you have here is common to many sports Festivals including a Rio 207 Pan Am Games , Athens SOGs 2004 , Montreal 1976 among others .

Manchester 2002 just happens to fall into that having the Paint dry on the venues as the Athletes Arrived in the host city. The inepititude of the UK government is generally well documented in Capital projects surrounding sports venues since the mid 1990s. Manchester like everyone else had 7 years to construct however what happened with the Superior Race of Whites ?

Jim jones

[jim jones]

1. Preparedness. All I've heard regarding the CWG are problems - ticketing, infrastructure, venues. Even if India pulls off a good games (and I hope they do) the bad taste will already have been left. That's not to say such problems cannot be overcome. Britain handing back the 2005 World Athletics Championships didn't harm our 2012 bid in the end, for example. But that was argubly our biggest hurdle in convincing the IOC, whilst India has several others....

2. Security. The fact that the IPL, the biggest sporting event in India and the biggest cricket league in the world, has had to be moved to South Africa is a terrible sign. And the English badminton team flying home is smaller but no less indicative of this problem.

3. Performance. For the last three Olympics India has finished bottom of the population adjusted medal table (number of medals divided by population). 3 medals from a total population of 1,129,866,000 people was their record in 2008. They need to up the ante.

4. And this is a purely outsider's perspective. But I mentioned to some friends who had been to India that they were hosting the CWGs in 2010. They didn't believe me at first. Some of the sights, smells, sounds of Indian city life left them feeling quite uncomfortable after their visit and one of them was upset by what she saw. No doubt India is an amzing country, but is it as tourist friendly a new frontier as somewhere like Rio?

Well I agree with much of what you have said here but the biggest contributing factors I see are your points 2 and 3 . Point one to different degrees you are having your Athens or Montreals with their well published problems. People do tend to remember Montreal for the cost overruns and incomplete Stadium but many of the IOC members and the Athletes of the day also know Montreal for being very well organized in regards to games operations. This was post a great games in Munich Germany for that topic. Athletes have a good experience in New Delhi even with an imcomplete venue and that group could have some future IOc voters.

with point 4 really your Typical Tourist avoids sports festivals and that has been born out in many studies . They say 100,000 visitors to the commonwealth games ? I really doubt it . Melbourne had the 35000 few passengers arrivals for the March they hosted the games ompared to the prior years March. It was basically locals and out of Victoria State visitors .

You have a special type of sports Tourist that will go to these events . I don't think that ights, Smells, Sounds of an Indian City stops people from Going under normal circumstances to one of the greatest tourism attractions the Taj Mahal . If you went to many places in the Caribbean in regards to the main towns the smell of open sewers would knock you off your feet . In all my Travels the most disappointing place was Italy . You though I would say the UK but wrong .

Italy i Nicname Shitaly

Jim jones

[Augie4040]

How can Delhi, even the WHOLE of India possibly expect to get an olympics?

I think its a good rule of thumb that you can't spend $30B on a 2 week sporting event, while 80% of the country has never experienced a flushing toilet or 24hr electricity.

These are things that need to be addressd WAY before any Olympic talk can start.

Spend the $40B on a 21st century sewer/ electrical system for New Delhi.