Augie4040 Posted September 14, 2009 Report Share Posted September 14, 2009 ROUND ROBIN: 1. Cowboys Stadium/ Dallas 2. Soldier Field/ Chicago 3. Memorial Collesium/ L.A. 4. Jets-Giants/ NYC 5. University of Phoenix 6. Quest Field/ Seattle 7. FedEx Field/ Baltimore 8. Landshark/Miami 9. Reliant Stadium/ Houston 10. Arrowhead/ Kansas City 11. Invesco Field/ Denver 12. Alamodome/ San Antonio 13. Heinz Field/ Pittsburgh 14. Uni of Texas/ Austin 15. Ford Field/ Detroit 16. Qualcom/ San Diego Round of Sixteen: 1. Cowboys Stadium/ Dallas 2. Soldier Field/ Chicago 3. Memorial Collesium/ L.A. 4. Jets-Giants/ NYC 5. University of Phoenix 6. Quest Field/ Seattle 7. FedEx Field/ Baltimore 8. Landshark/Miami Quarter Finals: 1. Cowboys Stadium/ Dallas 2. Soldier Field/ Chicago 3. Memorial Collesium/ L.A. 4. Jets-Giants/ NYC Semi-Final: 1. Cowboys Stadium/ Dallas 2. Soldier Field/ Chicago Final: 1. Cowboys Stadium/ Dallas Third Place Final: 1. Soldier Field/ Chicago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord David Posted September 14, 2009 Report Share Posted September 14, 2009 Yet another noobish thread by Augie4040! What makes you think that Dallas will get the final, let alone host the Quarter Finals, and a Semi! Yessh, cities don't host more than once during the round of 16 and finals, they spread the hosting around. Dallas won't get the finals, even if it does have a large stadium for hosting. That opportunity will go to either LA, NYC or the capital, Washington DC. And where is DC? You can't deny the capital of hosting, even if it's not for the final, it will host a few round games and one final or round of 16. Your format does not work, it puts too much stress on some cities as they are host one final after the other etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOtherRob Posted September 14, 2009 Report Share Posted September 14, 2009 I've heard the screen is too low for soccer at the new Cowboys stadium and will have to be raised to accommodate it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord David Posted September 14, 2009 Report Share Posted September 14, 2009 Is that so? Worried about high kicks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted September 14, 2009 Report Share Posted September 14, 2009 Hey Augie, there is ANOTHER thread about the same exact subject here. If it was good enough for other posters to ABIDE by and keep a cohesive debate going, why do you have to START another NEW one?? You're really NOT making any new friends here if you keep this up.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FYI Posted September 14, 2009 Report Share Posted September 14, 2009 Yet another noobish thread by Augie4040! What makes you think that Dallas will get the final, let alone host the Quarter Finals, and a Semi! Yessh, cities don't host more than once during the round of 16 and finals, they spread the hosting around. Dallas won't get the finals, even if it does have a large stadium for hosting. That opportunity will go to either LA, NYC or the capital, Washington DC. And where is DC? You can't deny the capital of hosting, even if it's not for the final, it will host a few round games and one final or round of 16. Your format does not work, it puts too much stress on some cities as they are host one final after the other etc. It obviously has something to do that he's from Texas for his bias towards Dallas. Texas (Houston or Dallas) would be lucky to get just ONE match, but mulitple ones, no way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie4040 Posted September 14, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2009 It obviously has something to do that he's from Texas for his bias towards Dallas. Texas (Houston or Dallas) would be lucky to get just ONE match, but mulitple ones, no way. Dallas has THE best stadium in America. Its a jewel of American sports arena and would be ideal for a World Cup Final. Washington DC is represented, the Washington Redskins play in FedEx field. RFK Stadium(94WC arena) is sooo old and outdated, FedEx has a HUGE capacity and is decades newer. Texas has more of a sports culture than California, and with 4 high quality stadiums, in major US cities, each could host and and facilitate a few matches along with the guests. I am from Texas but I dont have a bias for Texas, just that they could handle all those matches and it would go over very well I believe. FIFA allows up to a Maximum of 18 stadiums in a host nation. I went with 16, but I guess you could add 2 more to host the semi finals exclusivley Atlanta and San Francisco(candlestick). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted September 14, 2009 Report Share Posted September 14, 2009 Dallas ain't gonna get it. Finals GO TO THE Premier #1 or #2 city of the host country. And it ain't Dallas. Read this: http://www.gamesbids.com/forums/index.php?...0&start=170 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSTOUT1221 Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 One city that is trying to get on the list (somewhat doubtful) is Atlanta. Just this summer, more than 50,000 fans came to the Georgia Dome (indoor stadium) for exhibition soccer matches between Latin American countries. It was a huge success especially when the US national team can't draw that many fans for World Cup qualifying matches. I don't know what FIFA rules are for "domed" stadiums but the Georgia Dome would work - not as a semifinal or final city but a first round city possibly - especially if they wanted to see matches in all parts of the country - in the South, it's Atlanta or well, nothing! Below is a brief write up online I found.... On June 24, 2009, the dome hosted its first ever soccer match between Mexico and Venezuela. The dome held an attendance of 51,115 fans. Precision Turf of Lilburn layed 4-by-8 foot grass sections over the Dome’s FieldTurf.[15]. Subsequently,on July 22, 2009, the Dome hosted a exhibition match between AC Milan of Italian Serie A league and Club America of Mexican Primera División league as part of the World Football Challenge. The game featured stars such as Ronaldinho and the attendance for the match was 53,600. [16] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord David Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 It obviously has something to do that he's from Texas for his bias towards Dallas. Texas (Houston or Dallas) would be lucky to get just ONE match, but mulitple ones, no way. That's got nothing to do with it. Even if Dallas did get a few finals matches due to potential 100,000 capacity, they would be hard pressed in hosting 3 consecutive finals matches, it just won't happen. Should Dallas even host, it would be 2 or 3 group games, and perhaps a round of 16 and/or finals game, just one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olympian Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 The shortlist of stadiums for USA WC bid has been released and can be found on the USA WC thread. FYI, Univ. of Texas, Austin declined when they were asked by USA Soccer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 The shortlist of stadiums for USA WC bid has been released and can be found on the USA WC thread. FYI, Univ. of Texas, Austin declined when they were asked by USA Soccer So much for somebody saying that Austin might be the new sports capital of Texas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cslopes54 Posted September 22, 2009 Report Share Posted September 22, 2009 ROUND ROBIN: 1. Cowboys Stadium/ Dallas 2. Soldier Field/ Chicago 3. Memorial Collesium/ L.A. 4. Jets-Giants/ NYC 5. University of Phoenix 6. Quest Field/ Seattle 7. FedEx Field/ Baltimore 8. Landshark/Miami 9. Reliant Stadium/ Houston 10. Arrowhead/ Kansas City 11. Invesco Field/ Denver 12. Alamodome/ San Antonio 13. Heinz Field/ Pittsburgh 14. Uni of Texas/ Austin 15. Ford Field/ Detroit 16. Qualcom/ San Diego Round of Sixteen: 1. Cowboys Stadium/ Dallas 2. Soldier Field/ Chicago 3. Memorial Collesium/ L.A. 4. Jets-Giants/ NYC 5. University of Phoenix 6. Quest Field/ Seattle 7. FedEx Field/ Baltimore 8. Landshark/Miami Quarter Finals: 1. Cowboys Stadium/ Dallas 2. Soldier Field/ Chicago 3. Memorial Collesium/ L.A. 4. Jets-Giants/ NYC Semi-Final: 1. Cowboys Stadium/ Dallas 2. Soldier Field/ Chicago Final: 1. Cowboys Stadium/ Dallas Third Place Final: 1. Soldier Field/ Chicago Doubt this would happen... Too much going on in Texas there on ur list, and u forgetting major cities that would sub ur favorite ones.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted September 22, 2009 Report Share Posted September 22, 2009 Doubt this would happen... Too much going on in Texas there on ur list, and u forgetting major cities that would sub ur favorite ones.. No, Augie, is just dreaming wildly. He doesn't take into consideration: - the population mix and cosmo flavor that the nearby host city can offer - the costs, logistics and security arrangements of having as FEW VENUES as possible not just for the organizers but for visitors as well. I mean there are 32 teams at this stage...so I don't see why 8 venues for starters, wouldn't do. He is totally uncognizant of these few factors which will really determine which venues will be used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cslopes54 Posted September 24, 2009 Report Share Posted September 24, 2009 No, Augie, is just dreaming wildly. He doesn't take into consideration:- the population mix and cosmo flavor that the nearby host city can offer - the costs, logistics and security arrangements of having as FEW VENUES as possible not just for the organizers but for visitors as well. I mean there are 32 teams at this stage...so I don't see why 8 venues for starters, wouldn't do. He is totally uncognizant of these few factors which will really determine which venues will be used. adding up.. New England has not been included on his list. I don't know If it's mandatory but that's the point of the WC, reaching all regions.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord David Posted September 24, 2009 Report Share Posted September 24, 2009 ^^ Oh please, with that logic you'd make sure that Honolulu and Anchorage get an assured host city status. Build a new stadium in Anchorage and hope that Aloha Stadium would do for Honolulu. But of course that's not going to happen. With a wealth of stadiums, I can easily see 12 host cities, after all if you got the required venues, why go for the bare minimum, when there's 4 more cities that can easily be promoted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aluz Posted September 24, 2009 Report Share Posted September 24, 2009 No, Augie, is just dreaming wildly. He doesn't take into consideration:- the population mix and cosmo flavor that the nearby host city can offer - the costs, logistics and security arrangements of having as FEW VENUES as possible not just for the organizers but for visitors as well. I mean there are 32 teams at this stage...so I don't see why 8 venues for starters, wouldn't do. He is totally uncognizant of these few factors which will really determine which venues will be used. You are right Baron. On the top of that, FIFA regulations state that there should be between 8 and 10 host cities, none with more than 2 stadia. However, FIFA proved to be flexible on those rules. Brazil will have 12 host cities, but then, none will have more than 1 stadium. I can see FIFA allowing the US to host in 12 cities like Brazil, but 16 would be insane. FIFA pays for the OC budget (US$ 400 million to Brazil 2014). I can also see FIFA allowing London to host in 3 stadia, in case 2018 goes to England. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYCD 2012 Posted September 24, 2009 Report Share Posted September 24, 2009 The stadia list should be spread out the lower 48 states, I would choose New York, Boston, D.C (New England, East Coast) Miami/Orlando , Houston/Dallas (Gulf Area) Detroit, Chicago (Great Lakes Area) Seattle, Los Angeles, San Fransisco (West Coast) Also, I noticed most of '94's stadia will located way out of the main cities in the suburbs, will we see the same pattern for 2018 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted September 24, 2009 Report Share Posted September 24, 2009 The stadia list should be spread out the lower 48 states, I would chooseNew York, Boston, D.C (New England, East Coast) Miami/Orlando , Houston/Dallas (Gulf Area) Detroit, Chicago (Great Lakes Area) Seattle, Los Angeles, San Fransisco (West Coast) Also, I noticed most of '94's stadia will located way out of the main cities in the suburbs, will we see the same pattern for 2018 ? That's where some of the new stadia are, so far: Boston - Gilette is in Foxboro Dallas - I know that new Cowboy stadium is outside Dallas San Francisco Bay Area - if they include the to-be-built 49ers stadium (which would have a larger capacity and press/VIP boxes that Stanford doesn't have), then that will be in Santa Clara...closer to San Jose than to SanFrancisco. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted September 24, 2009 Report Share Posted September 24, 2009 You are right Baron. On the top of that, FIFA regulations state that there should be between 8 and 10 host cities, none with more than 2 stadia. However, FIFA proved to be flexible on those rules. Brazil will have 12 host cities, but then, none will have more than 1 stadium.I can see FIFA allowing the US to host in 12 cities like Brazil, but 16 would be insane. FIFA pays for the OC budget (US$ 400 million to Brazil 2014). I can also see FIFA allowing London to host in 3 stadia, in case 2018 goes to England. Yeah, and these "12" host cities really means...8 smallish cities for the Elimination round (so the 40,000 seaters so that at least those stadia won't look too empty for say, a Cameroon-NoKorea match)...then probably the same for the quarter-finals or ...moving up the high-seeds and host country matches to the 50-60,000 venues for the quarter-finals and then... the semis- and the finals to the larger 75-80,000+ venues of the premier cities. So there, you would've used up around 12 stadia, more or less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olympian Posted September 24, 2009 Report Share Posted September 24, 2009 That's where some of the new stadia are, so far:Boston - Gilette is in Foxboro Dallas - I know that new Cowboy stadium is outside Dallas San Francisco Bay Area - if they include the to-be-built 49ers stadium (which would have a larger capacity and press/VIP boxes that Stanford doesn't have), then that will be in Santa Clara...closer to San Jose than to SanFrancisco. The new Cowboys Stadium is in Arlington. I think he's not aware that Patriots and Revolutions owner Bob Kraft is on the USA 2018-22 Board of Directors. So the Boston area will definitely not get shutout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FYI Posted September 24, 2009 Report Share Posted September 24, 2009 ^^ Oh please, with that logic you'd make sure that Honolulu and Anchorage get an assured host city status. Build a new stadium in Anchorage and hope that Aloha Stadium would do for Honolulu.But of course that's not going to happen. With a wealth of stadiums, I can easily see 12 host cities, after all if you got the required venues, why go for the bare minimum, when there's 4 more cities that can easily be promoted? I'm sure what he really meant was reaching all regions that "matter". New England matters. Alaska & Hawaii, especially Alaska, aren't very big markets at all, especially for soccer particularly in Alaska, & even if they were both right next to California, I'm sure they woudn't host anything anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FYI Posted September 24, 2009 Report Share Posted September 24, 2009 The stadia list should be spread out the lower 48 states, I would chooseNew York, Boston, D.C (New England, East Coast) Miami/Orlando , Houston/Dallas (Gulf Area) Detroit, Chicago (Great Lakes Area) Seattle, Los Angeles, San Fransisco (West Coast) Also, I noticed most of '94's stadia will located way out of the main cities in the suburbs, will we see the same pattern for 2018 ? I'd agree with all except for Houston & Orlando. Can't see Texas & Florida getting 2 venues. Would replace those with Denver & maybe Phoenix, areas with newer facilities & reaching big markets of the interior west. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aluz Posted September 25, 2009 Report Share Posted September 25, 2009 I'd agree with all except for Houston & Orlando. Can't see Texas & Florida getting 2 venues. Would replace those with Denver & maybe Phoenix, areas with newer facilities & reaching big markets of the interior west. I don't think FIFA will allow that. You must consider that the WC preparation process involves a bid within the bid. After a country is selected, prospective host cities have to bid for the chance to host and FIFA has the last word in the selection process. It will enforce that host cities are spread out to represent the various regions of the country. For Brazil 2014, they demanded that the Amazon and Pantanal had host cities, even though Pantanal did not have a single stadium or traditional football clubs. And for the Amazon they chose the city with less football tradition and worse stadium as well. So, they will probably refuse a state to have 2 host cities. In 1994, they only case they accepted was California with San Francisco and Los Angeles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faster Posted September 25, 2009 Report Share Posted September 25, 2009 I'd agree with all except for Houston & Orlando. Can't see Texas & Florida getting 2 venues. Would replace those with Denver & maybe Phoenix, areas with newer facilities & reaching big markets of the interior west. Nice to know I am not the only one that things Denver is in if the US gets it. I think he is delusional to think Detroit will get a spot over Philadelphia, Denver, Charlotte, Phoenix or another California venue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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