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With cities from smaller countries lacking in olympic tradition such as Doha, Baku, Kuala Lumpur, Bangkok and Cairo sending bids for the olympics in recent races, one must ask, does olympics tradition really matter ? In the 2016 race, both Qatar and Azerbaijian sent bids.

Does a country with an illustrious olympic record such as Australia, Germany and Japan have an edge over countries with a not so great medal record such as India, Egypt or Qatar ? If yes, to how much of an extent ? Only thrice has the IOC awarded a games to an olympic minnows, Mexico 1968, Montreal 1976 and Sarajevo 1984.

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Only thrice has the IOC awarded a games to an olympic minnows, Mexico 1968, Montreal 1976 and Sarajevo 1984.

Add Barcelona 1992, Spain's record of medals was six in Moscow, hosting the games was an incredible boost for our olympic sport. We had won just 5 gold medals prior to Barcelona, where we got 13 in a single olympiad.

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With cities from smaller countries lacking in olympic tradition such as Doha, Baku, Kuala Lumpur, Bangkok and Cairo sending bids for the olympics in recent races, one must ask, does olympics tradition really matter ? In the 2016 race, both Qatar and Azerbaijian sent bids.

Does a country with an illustrious olympic record such as Australia, Germany and Japan have an edge over countries with a not so great medal record such as India, Egypt or Qatar ? If yes, to how much of an extent ? Only thrice has the IOC awarded a games to an olympic minnows, Mexico 1968, Montreal 1976 and Sarajevo 1984.

Montreal had bid in 1927 as a Winter Games candidate for 1932; and it is part of Canada, a winter sports power, so I don't think Montreal is exactly a "minnows." As a matter of fact, I'd put Athens on the border because they were nothing but a "sentimental" choice...not because Greece is a sports power by any stretch of the imagination.

ALso, Seoul was a "new frontiers" choice considering it was up against a more established Olympic country, Japan.

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Montreal had bid in 1927 as a Winter Games candidate for 1932; and it is part of Canada, a winter sports power, so I don't think Montreal is exactly a "minnows."

I've heard here on this forum that Canada didn't become a winter sports power until after Calgary and Albertville. Looking at their medal counts, that looks to be true.

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With cities from smaller countries lacking in olympic tradition such as Doha, Baku, Kuala Lumpur, Bangkok and Cairo sending bids for the olympics in recent races, one must ask, does olympics tradition really matter ? In the 2016 race, both Qatar and Azerbaijian sent bids.

Does a country with an illustrious olympic record such as Australia, Germany and Japan have an edge over countries with a not so great medal record such as India, Egypt or Qatar ? If yes, to how much of an extent ? Only thrice has the IOC awarded a games to an olympic minnows, Mexico 1968, Montreal 1976 and Sarajevo 1984.

Canada, olympic minnows ?

What ?

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Canada at Olympic :

Summer games : 24 participations, 58 GOLD, 94 SILVER, 104 BRONZE, total of 260 medals

Winter games : 20 participations, 38 GOLD, 38 SILVER, 43 BRONZE, total of 119 medals

So, combined games : total of 379 medals (total that will reach the 400 in few months)

How many country reach 400 ? only 13 (but 15 after Vancouver)

Just for compare with some country who battled for the 2016 Games :

Brazil had a grand total of 91 and Spain 115

I admit that Canada had the sad record (in 1976) to be the first host country to did'nt get a Gold medal.

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Well Canada does much better now because there are more disciplines and sports (many of which we excel in) and we've spent more money on elite sport development in things besides ice hockey, figure skating, and speed skating.

But if you look at winter sports in general (not exclusively OWG performance) we are rather strong. Not Norway strong (who punch much greater than their weight, in terms of population), but still pretty good. Winter sport culture here is strong.

I've heard here on this forum that Canada didn't become a winter sports power until after Calgary and Albertville. Looking at their medal counts, that looks to be true.
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Canada, olympic minnows ?

What ?

For your information

Canada at Olympic :

Summer games : 24 participations, 58 GOLD, 94 SILVER, 104 BRONZE, total of 260 medals

Winter games : 20 participations, 38 GOLD, 38 SILVER, 43 BRONZE, total of 119 medals

So, combined games : total of 379 medals (total that will reach the 400 in few months)

How many country reach 400 ? only 13 (but 15 after Vancouver)

Just for compare with some country who battled for the 2016 Games :

Brazil had a grand total of 91 and Spain 115

I admit that Canada had the sad record (in 1976) to be the first host country to did'nt get a Gold medal.

Brazil have 91 medals in summer games, brazillians ignore the winter games for obvious reasons. Brazil also is a para olympic potency

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With cities from smaller countries lacking in olympic tradition such as Doha, Baku, Kuala Lumpur, Bangkok and Cairo sending bids for the olympics in recent races, one must ask, does olympics tradition really matter ? In the 2016 race, both Qatar and Azerbaijian sent bids.

Does a country with an illustrious olympic record such as Australia, Germany and Japan have an edge over countries with a not so great medal record such as India, Egypt or Qatar ? If yes, to how much of an extent ? Only thrice has the IOC awarded a games to an olympic minnows, Mexico 1968, Montreal 1976 and Sarajevo 1984.

Well consider Canada in the List . For Montreal 1976 Canada did not even win one gold medal thou it can be said Nancy Garipick and other Canadian Swimmers were cheated out of the Gold By East Germans on Human Growth hormones and Steroids with a system that the state employed. Turn the Page to Calgary 1988 and Canada Still did not win a single gold medal in those games with expectations being high that home field advantage would yield gold medals. Mexico certainly was not setting the world on fire for winning medals prior to 1968. Yugoslavia was not a huge medals power house when they hosted Sarajevo 1984.

On the Other Hand there is America who have won a huge medal haul consistently yet have been denied the Summer Games over 90 percent of the times they have placed bids. The US has only won bid elections with 1932 winter 1960 winter , 1976 winter , 1996 summer , 2002 winter for four winter and one summer games. The United States in Summer Olympics has won more medals total then all the countries of Europe COMBINED . THe Us has about 10 times the summer medal count over Canada yet Canada was awarded their first summer games 20 years before the US was via bid election. Shows the Bias against the US really if you wanted to believe in a fairy tail of Medal Winners hosting the Games. If you believe the fairy tail that medals matter then Mexico City winning on the third attempt with their medal history being 1 to every 20 the US has won should be enough evidence.

Australia has been consistent in winning large amounts of medals yet they have hosted twice in little more then a century with 4 bid attempts. Sweden is a consistent winter olympics medal winner that really has been stronger then Canada yet all bids for the Winter Olympics by Sweden have been rejected. Switzerland has been rejected and they have a strong winning tradition in winter sports.

Qatar or Azerbaijain might be thought of as places without olympic medal winning history by hey China did not take part for much of the 20th century until LA 84 hosted that team . 24 years later China would actually host the games and today it looks like they could be bidding to host the 2018 winter games which by the success of Beijing 2008 they would have a good shot at securing. They is not a great history of China at the Olympic Games but I am sure the IOC is licking its chops at the prospect to go to a Harbin in 2018 and having a repeat for both the Top Sponsors and US TV rights who all did record numbers for the 2008 Games.

Jim jones

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The United States in Summer Olympics has won more medals total then all the countries of Europe COMBINED .

Jim jones

Absolutely not true at all!

-If you combine Europe's medal totals it is far in excess of the United States.

-Currently, the United States has approx 931 golds.

-If you add the tally's of Britain, France, Italy, Germany, Hungary and Sweden you get approx 1053 golds. More than the U.S as you can see. This is even leaving out Russia, German Democratic republic, German Federal Republic, USSR and all the other European nations of which there are many more medals to add to that tally!

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Always pays to consult Wallechinsky before making silly sweeping statements.

Meh, tradition's all part of the package of individual bids. Those who have it, can use it as a natural advantage point. Those that don't focus on their other strengths. Probably it's biggest effect is in gauging the likely spectator interest for sport in a potential bidder, and how that will effect ticket sales, bums on seats, spirit and support.

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Canada, olympic minnows ?

What ?

For your information

Canada at Olympic :

Summer games : 24 participations, 58 GOLD, 94 SILVER, 104 BRONZE, total of 260 medals

Winter games : 20 participations, 38 GOLD, 38 SILVER, 43 BRONZE, total of 119 medals

While that is true, you have to look in the perspective in 1970 when Montreal were awarded the games and the games prior to Montreal, Munich 1972. In both games, Canada won relatively few medals compared to countries like Japan, Australia and even South Korea which won a decent haul in the games prior to theirs.

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I was thinking about this today. Cities like DUBAI could build an entire Olympic City and money would be no obstacle(Denver 76 and Athens 04). They could pull off an extremely high quality Games despite winning like 1 Silver in their entire Olympic Career.

If the IOC would let them host it in October(not allowed at present). I dont see a reason why the IOC wouldnt liek to see a headache free game preperation and just give it to them. An ULTRA-well funded New Frontier games. I dont see them passing that up.

The only thing that the IOC would have as a pre-requisite is to demand a FULL fielding of female athleates in all events available.

Who knows that could make it a historic milestone for Arab Women, imagine if one one a gold in swimming or judo, what that would do for elementary school arab girls!

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Yes, an Olympic tradition and presence is important for hosting the Summer Games and even more important for the Winter Games.. Canada, Finland, Belgium, and the Netherlands are all smaller nations that have all hosted the Summer Olympics and all have extensive Olympic histories, are prosperous liberal societies, and are among the top 20-25 in total medal tallies. And aside from medals, many of their athletes come in the top 6 and all of them field relatively large teams. Australia is also a small country with a deep and rich Olympic tradition.

Looking at the Summer Games, of the top medal hauling nations, only Hungary, Romania, Poland, and Bulgaria have never hosted. And of the countries that have hosted, Mexico has the lowest all-time medal haul.

There is more to hosting than just one or two of the key ingredients. It isn't like making scrambled eggs, it is more like an extensive breakfast buffet. You need the eggs, the coffee, the cantaloup, the bacon, the toast and all sorts of other items to make it happen.

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I don't think the IOC is ready to give the Olympics to countries with almost no representatives at the Games. On the other hand, I don't think the historical medal tally is a criteria that would help to select the host city.

After hosting the Olympics many countries which would be side players have become Olympic powers. South Korea and Spain are good examples of this trend.

Analysing all the candidates for 2016, maybe that was one of the reasons that made Doha to be disqualified.

The remaining candidates are even established (USA and Japan) or emerging Olympic powers (Brazil and Spain).

Among those, Brazil is the most disputed emerging country, but an analysis in its later participations shows that it is growing. It has recently (after '96) increased the number of medals awarded and expanded the list of sports where it competes as a strong contender. A bronze medal in taekwondo in 2008, the 2 bronze and 1 gold in equestrian since 1996 and the several gymnastics finalists since 2004 show that Brazil has not only expanded its medal count, but also expanded the number of sports where it is competitive. More important, the number of olympic finals has been steadily increasing over the years.

So, I don't think the IOC would give the SOG to a city which is capable of running, but which is in a country with little perspective of getting medals.

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