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Speaking of fear,

In 2001, a Brazilian actress was talking to the TV that was "afraid" of Lula. She said: "I'm afraid of Lula". The actress Regina Duarte did psychological terrorism in the population. Today, Lula is one of the most respected leaders of the world and Brazil is a emergent power. Compared to that, I think the "fear" of getting the games to South America will be overcome with the realization of spectacular games in Rio too.

My "fear" is not for the Games in Rio. Games in Rio, of course, will be spectacular.

My "fear" is the favoritism (because Paris 2012).

she was afraid

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And that is related to the 2016 bid race how ? I find your analogy very baseless.

Some people believed that Lula presented a risk to Brazil in 2001 and Brazil is now (2009) an economic success. Some here believe that Rio represents a risk to the IOC but Rio can be a success story too. The fear is there to be overcome.

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I'm afraid of favoritism.

I think you were to be affraid of favouritism IF you had no reason to be the favourite. It's a contest. You may win, you may loose. What matters is if you have done your best. There will always be a favourite in a contest. You are a five times football world champion, aren't you . Will you tell me now that in every football match the Brazilian team played you had no fear? Even in final ones? Just trust and wait. Let the best one win.

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I personally feel it's still impossible to be able to predict who will win based on the latest Index, but I think we can say at the very least the likelyhood of Madrid being out of contention is pretty high. Tokyo still has a chance but that whole thing of them trying to paint non-existing venues as already existing will probably not help them.

It's going to be Rio Vs Chicago and I agree with what Rogge said today in that the winner will be decided by just a few votes.

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The bidindex or any other index is just...an index, there's no favoritism, all of the cities (mainly because the high level of the four candidates cities) are extremely close , in London’s winning 2012 bid had a final BidIndex score of 65.07 , and Paris 66,18,very close too... but with on signficative difference, Paris has stagnated at the final and London remains growing 'till the end...

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Some people believed that Lula presented a risk to Brazil in 2001 and Brazil is now (2009) an economic success. Some here believe that Rio represents a risk to the IOC but Rio can be a success story too. The fear is there to be overcome.

Well there is very little to fear in regards to risk for Rio at this time as an Emerging Nation in 2009. The Reason you have a London 2012 in a national economy that is a few positions about Brazil but the LOC in London has illustrated clearly that the so called first world are just as much of the risk of jeopardizing the perceived value of Staging the Games for a city. A city with the Legacy of Venues of a Pan Am Games in 2007 is less of a risk then a London still without a final list of venues less then three years before they stage their games and without a Main Stadium , Aquatics Centre or a laundry list of Venues complete unlike Rio , Madrid or others.

The Number One factor that should be considered for a Games Host should be the management of a National Economy and all countries with double digit debt to Annual GDP Ratios should be considered HIGH Risk . Japan has the highest Ratio of Annual GDP to Debt.

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Well there is very little to fear in regards to risk for Rio at this time as an Emerging Nation in 2009. The Reason you have a London 2012 in a national economy that is a few positions about Brazil but the LOC in London has illustrated clearly that the so called first world are just as much of the risk of jeopardizing the perceived value of Staging the Games for a city. A city with the Legacy of Venues of a Pan Am Games in 2007 is less of a risk then a London still without a final list of venues less then three years before they stage their games and without a Main Stadium , Aquatics Centre or a laundry list of Venues complete unlike Rio , Madrid or others.

The Number One factor that should be considered for a Games Host should be the management of a National Economy and all countries with double digit debt to Annual GDP Ratios should be considered HIGH Risk . Japan has the highest Ratio of Annual GDP to Debt.

Jim jones

Good point!!!

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Good point!!!

How is that a good point?

That post is basically a closetted attack on London Danny (you don't know the whole backstory Danny of why that poster is saying that so I'm not having a go at you).

Rio's pan ams legacy is not superior for staging an Olympic games compared to London's infrastructure. That is not an attack by the way!

London, at the time of bidding had Wembley, the O2 arena, Lords cricket ground, Wimbledon tennis complex, Excell, Hyde park, Horse guards parade, Earls court. Further, all the existing football stadia are in place. Further, London already has one of the world's most advanced transport networks in place. Further, London had all it's hotel accommodation in place. London was quite advanced in 2005.

So, saying that Rio's pan am's legacy is less of a risk than London is simply preposterous!

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How is that a good point?

That post is basically a closetted attack on London Danny (you don't know the whole backstory Danny of why that poster is saying that so I'm not having a go at you).

Rio's pan ams legacy is not superior for staging an Olympic games compared to London's infrastructure. That is not an attack by the way!

London, at the time of bidding had Wembley, the O2 arena, Lords cricket ground, Wimbledon tennis complex, Excell, Hyde park, Horse guards parade, Earls court. Further, all the existing football stadia are in place. Further, London already has one of the world's most advanced transport networks in place. Further, London had all it's hotel accommodation in place. London was quite advanced in 2005.

So, saying that Rio's pan am's legacy is less of a risk than London is simply preposterous!

May I agree to what I want, or may I obbey all your orders, lord?

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May I agree to what I want, or may I obbey all your orders, lord?

So, you wish to agree with a post which states that Rio in 2007 was better placed to stage the Olympic games than London in 2005? But that is simply not true and you know it Danny!

By all means agree with this if it makes you feel better and more nationalistic. But bear in my how hypocritical you seem when you chastise people for supporting other bids over Rio which present less riskier bids than Rio!

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So, you wish to agree with a post which states that Rio in 2007 was better placed to stage the Olympic games than London in 2005? But that is simply not true and you know it Danny!

By all means agree with this if it makes you feel better and more nationalistic. But bear in my how hypocritical you seem when you chastise people for supporting other bids over Rio which present less riskier bids than Rio!

"less risker bids than Rio"... that's not what the IOC evaluation report says....

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"less risker bids than Rio"... that's not what the IOC evaluation report says....

Well, you are being pedantic now.

Did you not read the part about how the IOC were concerned with the risk of staging the 2014 world cup and then the Olympics?

Have you not read Madrid's report where 80% of venues and infrastructure are complete and how this is less riskier than the other bids?

Your love of Rio is admirable, but there's no need to misconstrue the truth of the reality - namely that Rio's bid, whilst being a new frontier, is riskier than the other bids. However, Rio is still very much capable of hosting the games and doing a good job!

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Well, you are being pedantic now.

Did you not read the part about how the IOC were concerned with the risk of staging the 2014 world cup and then the Olympics?

Have you not read Madrid's report where 80% of venues and infrastructure are complete and how this is less riskier than the other bids?

Your love of Rio is admirable, but there's no need to misconstrue the truth of the reality - namely that Rio's bid, whilst being a new frontier, is riskier than the other bids. However, Rio is still very much capable of hosting the games and doing a good job!

Ok, we'll see what the IOC really thinks about that oct. 2nd... we don't need to argue about this. You are also constructing the reallity you want to be the true one.... since u don't like rio's bid. So let's the ones that have the authority to decide to do so.

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If Rio can curb their elation, and resist from dancing victory laps already in the home stretch ...

And if Chicago can bring on their gun runner, Obama, at the final baton change (and not fumble the baton handover) ...

Rio's Gain in regards to momentum can be as much to do with a backlash against the USOC for the Olympics Specialty channel affair. By no means is it in the bag of course and you are right they should curve the victory chant . The entire history of 30 bid defeats for winter and summer games by America did not have once an Issue that could turn votes away from an American candidate. I wonder if there was a general fallout with regards to Visa's for Athletes coming to the US Post 911 with NYC 2012 ?

Rio winning may indeed be more about Chicago stumbling in the last couple of months practically falling on their sword.

Jim jones

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I agree! I love Australia... For me, Sydney 2000 was the best games ever.

South Africa, Brazil, Australia would be awesome! Three consecutive World Cups in the southern hemisphere...

I think Fifa with the opening up of voting on both 2018 and 2022 has signaled to Frank Lowy and company that they want Australia but perhaps after a European country hosts in 2018. Frank Lowy made it a 2018 or nothing goal before Fifa Decided to have both 2018 and 2002 decided in the same session .

Who knows this could be Australia in 2018 followed by Russia, America or Spain for 2022. The English themselves are not as confident that 2018 is assured and that is being reported in the press over there.

Jim jones

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