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actually most people thought, and rightfully so that stage 10 would be a bore, since there was only two climbs, it wasn't the most intense stages compared to stage 11. Stage 11 has two HC climbs, meaning they are the hardest in the tour, including the famous Col de la Madeleine and also the Col de Galibier. Though stage 11 favours someone like Andreas Kloden or Alejandro Velverde, even though Velverde won stage 10

Stage

1. Alejandro Velverde ESP

2. Lance Armstrong USA

3. Mickael Rasmussen DEN

Yellow

1. Lance Armstrong USA

2. Mickael Rasmussen DEN

3. Ivan Basso

Green

as stated before

Pota Dot

as stated before

White

1. Alejandro Velvedre ESP

2. Taroslav Popovych UKR

3. Andrey Kahechkin KAZ

as a Lance hater, i can still take comfort in knowing he is not, nor never will be the greatest cyclist of all time

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at least Lance won the most prestigious cycling race 6 consective times. a record that will most certainly not be touched for a long time.

Eddy Merckx is the greatest cyclist in history, we won 11 Grand Tours, Armstrong has only won 6, he also won the King of the Mountains, Points and Overall titles in the 1969 Tour, something Lance hasn't even come close to touching, and if it wasn't for a crazy French fan in 1975 we would have won his 6th tour, Merckx can not be touched by Armstrong

Other racers called him the Cannibal because Merckx refused to ride tactically, preferring to go flat out at all times, and wanted to win every single race he participated in. During his peak years as a racer, he is said to have cycled over 35,000 km a year. While climbing the steep, severe Mont Ventoux in 1970 to a stage win, he rode so strongly and pushed himself so hard that after he finished, oxygen was administered

Eddie is a cycling God, Armstrong will never be that

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at least Lance won the most prestigious cycling race 6 consective times. a record that will most certainly not be touched for a long time.

Eddy Merckx is the greatest cyclist in history, we won 11 Grand Tours, Armstrong has only won 6, he also won the King of the Mountains, Points and Overall titles in the 1969 Tour, something Lance hasn't even come close to touching, and if it wasn't for a crazy French fan in 1975 we would have won his 6th tour, Merckx can not be touched by Armstrong

Other racers called him the Cannibal because Merckx refused to ride tactically, preferring to go flat out at all times, and wanted to win every single race he participated in. During his peak years as a racer, he is said to have cycled over 35,000 km a year. While climbing the steep, severe Mont Ventoux in 1970 to a stage win, he rode so strongly and pushed himself so hard that after he finished, oxygen was administered
Eddie is a cycling God, Armstrong will never be that

I wonder how the Merckx of the 1960-1970s, would fair against the Armstrong of the 1990s-2000s??

Definately doping technology wasn't anywhere as advanced as it is in Lance's time? :laugh:  :cool:  :unclesam:

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at least Lance won the most prestigious cycling race 6 consective times. a record that will most certainly not be touched for a long time.

Eddy Merckx is the greatest cyclist in history, we won 11 Grand Tours, Armstrong has only won 6, he also won the King of the Mountains, Points and Overall titles in the 1969 Tour, something Lance hasn't even come close to touching, and if it wasn't for a crazy French fan in 1975 we would have won his 6th tour, Merckx can not be touched by Armstrong

Other racers called him the Cannibal because Merckx refused to ride tactically, preferring to go flat out at all times, and wanted to win every single race he participated in. During his peak years as a racer, he is said to have cycled over 35,000 km a year. While climbing the steep, severe Mont Ventoux in 1970 to a stage win, he rode so strongly and pushed himself so hard that after he finished, oxygen was administered
Eddie is a cycling God, Armstrong will never be that

I wonder how the Merckx of the 1960-1970s, would fair against the Armstrong of the 1990s-2000s??

Definately doping technology wasn't anywhere as advanced as it is in Lance's time? :laugh:  :cool:  :unclesam:

piss off, Armstrong has been the one being accused of doping all the time

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Stage Ten

1. Alexandre Vinokourov KAZ

2. Santiago Botero

3. Christophe Moreau

Stage 11

1. David Moncoutie FRA

2. Sandy Casar FRA

3. Angel Vicioso ESP

General Classifaction

1. Lance Armstrong USA

2. Mickael Rasmussen DEN

3. Christophe Moreau FRA

4. Ivan Basso ITA

5. Alejandro Valverde ESP

Points Classifaction

1. Thor Hushovd NOR

2. Stuart O'Grady AUS

3. Robbie McEwen AUS

4. Alexandre Vinokourov

5. Bernhard Eisel AUT

Climbing Classifaction

1. Mickael Rasmussen DEN

2. Christophe Moreau FRA

3. Santiago Botero COL

4. Alexandre Vinokourov KAZ

5. Lance Armstrong

Youth Classifaction

1. Alejandro Velverde ESP

2. Yaroslav Popovych UKR

3. Andrey Kashechkin KAZ

4. Alberto Contador ESP

5. Maxim Iglinshiy KAZ

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at least Lance won the most prestigious cycling race 6 consective times. a record that will most certainly not be touched for a long time.

Eddy Merckx is the greatest cyclist in history, we won 11 Grand Tours, Armstrong has only won 6, he also won the King of the Mountains, Points and Overall titles in the 1969 Tour, something Lance hasn't even come close to touching, and if it wasn't for a crazy French fan in 1975 we would have won his 6th tour, Merckx can not be touched by Armstrong

Other racers called him the Cannibal because Merckx refused to ride tactically, preferring to go flat out at all times, and wanted to win every single race he participated in. During his peak years as a racer, he is said to have cycled over 35,000 km a year. While climbing the steep, severe Mont Ventoux in 1970 to a stage win, he rode so strongly and pushed himself so hard that after he finished, oxygen was administered
Eddie is a cycling God, Armstrong will never be that

Yeah, but how do we know that Merckxx was not doped?  THey didn't have the same testing methods then that they do today?  So some of those wins are suspect.

Yeah, well did Merckxx come back from a bout of cancer - testicular or what-have-you?  And to do it in a foreign land?  ANd did Merckxx win Sheryl Crow?  NO.

So, little one, do NOT DIMINSH Mr. ARmstrong's accomplishments.

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at least Lance won the most prestigious cycling race 6 consective times. a record that will most certainly not be touched for a long time.

Eddy Merckx is the greatest cyclist in history, we won 11 Grand Tours, Armstrong has only won 6, he also won the King of the Mountains, Points and Overall titles in the 1969 Tour, something Lance hasn't even come close to touching, and if it wasn't for a crazy French fan in 1975 we would have won his 6th tour, Merckx can not be touched by Armstrong

Other racers called him the Cannibal because Merckx refused to ride tactically, preferring to go flat out at all times, and wanted to win every single race he participated in. During his peak years as a racer, he is said to have cycled over 35,000 km a year. While climbing the steep, severe Mont Ventoux in 1970 to a stage win, he rode so strongly and pushed himself so hard that after he finished, oxygen was administered
Eddie is a cycling God, Armstrong will never be that

Yeah, but how do we know that Merckxx was not doped?  THey didn't have the same testing methods then that they do today?  So some of those wins are suspect.

Yeah, well did Merckxx come back from a bout of cancer - testicular or what-have-you?  And to do it in a foreign land?  ANd did Merckxx win Sheryl Crow?  NO.

So, little one, do NOT DIMINSH Mr. ARmstrong's accomplishments.

what Lance did was amazing, but no where near Merckx, Merckx had 500+ wins, 11 grand tours, over 20 classics, including winning all seven, 4 world titles, and more stage wins in le tour than Lance, and more yellow jerseys at 115.

In that time the only performance drugs around were steroids, steroids have no benefit to cyclist, and are actually more of a drawback, PADs didn't come into cycling till the 80's and 90's when drugs like EPO came into into the forefront

and if Merckx's acheivements are suspect than so are Carl Lewis' and so any other "great athletes" from the innocent age in sports

oh and Merkckx is Belgian, not French, so it was in a foreign land, and he did face hostil crowds just like Armstrong does

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Doping/anabolic steroids have been around since at least the late 60s;

Therefore you can suspect all world records in many sports, including cycling and athletics, weight lifting,etc.

They didn't have  the sophisticated testing methods that they have today, or the strict antidoping programs that they have now.

How do you think a small country like the old East Germany-DDR, was such a super power when it came to sports?

Very likely Carl Lewis was doping; he just didn't get caught!

Steroid use is still rampant in all sports with the dopers always one step ahead of the drug testers.

Lets see how the Merkx of then would fair in a Tour de France of today?

Doubt he could even break the top 10 in a Tour de France, against the cycylist of today, who is faster/stronger(likely due to doping), better trained.

But then this is like comparing the baseball Barry Bonds of today who is doping with the  Ruth of 70yrs ago who wasn't. :(

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Doping/anabolic steroids have been around since at least the late 60s;

Therefore you can suspect all world records in many sports, including cycling and athletics, weight lifting,etc.

They didn't have  the sophisticated testing methods that they have today, or the strict antidoping programs that they have now.

How do you think a small country like the old East Germany-DDR, was such a super power when it came to sports?

Very likely Carl Lewis was doping; he just didn't get caught!

Steroid use is still rampant in all sports with the dopers always one step ahead of the drug testers.

Lets see how the Merkx of then would fair in a Tour de France of today?

Doubt he could even break the top 10 in a Tour de France, against the cycylist of today, who is faster/stronger(likely due to doping), better trained.

But then this is like comparing the baseball Barry Bonds of today who is doping with the  Ruth of 70yrs ago who wasn't. :(

anabolic steroids develope bulk, bulk is not good for cyclist, especially high finishers, because with all that weight, it would be harder to get over the mountains. PADs are more a problem today than they were in the innocent age of sports, steroids didn't come into promiance until about 1975, and than the crack down started in 1980, but got more serious in 1984 at LA

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Today, the Austrian Georg Totschnig wrote history at the Pyrenees. He wins the 14. Stage of the Tour de France with 56 seconds of lead on Lance Armstrong and manages after Max Bulla (1931) the second stage victory for Austria.

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Today, the Austrian Georg Totschnig wrote history at the Pyrenees. He wins the 14. Stage of the Tour de France with 56 seconds of lead on Lance Armstrong and manages after Max Bulla (1931) the second stage victory for Austria.

:upside:

'bout bloody time too, the guy has been beating at the door to win a stage of ages

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Faster - what 11 Tours won by Eddier Merckxx r u talking about?  He only won 5 TdeF - 4 consecutive ones and then the last one a year later.   So how can that be greater than Lance's 6 consecutive wins, so far -- and maybe headed for a record 7th CONSECUTIVE?  So what rubbish R U talking about?  

Questions @anyone -- Just watched Stage 15 today...

1.  Why are a lot of the Spaniards in ORANGE T-shirts?  I thought Orange was for the Dutch?  And red and yellow for Spain?  Or is the Orange for the Basques?

2.  Why all that graffiti on the road?  I mean that is total visual pollution.  Will they clean that up after the race?

3.  And all these idiot fans -- who have no lives?? :suspect:  Acting like total fools.  And then pinching the butts of the riders -- I mean, such flagrant homo flirting on int'l TV?   :shocked:  Why do they allow these things?  

4.  Where are the women riders?  I thought women were allowed to race in the TdeF?

Everyone, watch out for TOUR de CALIFORNIA in February 2006.

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2.  Why all that graffiti on the road?  I mean that is total visual pollution.  Will they clean that up after the race?

grafiti?

That is a large-scale test to improve the boring street-paintings...

Just lines and arrows so far - now the want to get more diversification...

:rolleyes:

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Stage 15 - the hardest

1) George Hincapie (USA) Discovery Channel in 6h6'38"

2) Oscar Pereiro Sio (Spa) Phonak Hearing Systems  6"

3) Pietro Caucchioli (Ita) Credit Agricole  38"

4) Michael Boogerd (Ned) Raboban  57"

5) Laurent Brochard (Fra) Bouygues Telecom  2'19"

6) Ivan Basso (Ita) Team CSC  5'4"

7) Lance Armstrong (USA) Discovery Channel st.

8) Oscar Sevilla (Spa) T-Mobile Team  6'28"

9) Jan Ullrich (Ger) T-Mobile Team st.

10) Michael Rasmussen (Dan) Rabobank  6'32"

11) Francisco Mancebo (Spa) Illes Balears-Caisse d'Epargne st.

12) Alexandre Vinokourov (Kaz) T-Mobile Team a 7'33''

General classification

1) Lance Armstrong (Usa) Discovery Channel  62h9'59"

2) Ivan Basso (Ita) Team CSC  2'46"

3) Michael Rasmussen (Dan) Rabobank  3'9"

4) Jan Ullrich (Ger) T-Mobile Team  5'58"

5) Francisco Mancebo (Spa) Illes Balears-Caisse d'Epargne 6'31"

6) Levi Leipheimer (USA) Gerolsteiner  7'35 "

7) Floyd Landis (USA) Phonak Hearing Systems  9'33"

8) Alexandre Vinokourov (Kaz) T-Mobile Team  9'38 "

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Faster - what 11 Tours won by Eddier Merckxx r u talking about?  He only won 5 TdeF - 4 consecutive ones and then the last one a year later.   So how can that be greater than Lance's 6 consecutive wins, so far -- and maybe headed for a record 7th CONSECUTIVE?  So what rubbish R U talking about?  

Merckx won five Le Tour de France, five Giro d'Italia, and one Ventea a Espania(sp), these are the three grand tours of the cycling world

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Merckx won five Le Tour de France, five Giro d'Italia, and one Ventea a Espania(sp), these are the three grand tours of the cycling world

I thought so.  But here in the States, and in my book -- it's only the Tour de France that is the Blue Ribband of cycling.  The other 2 don't really matter in my book.  So Lance appears headed to be the greatest TdeF champion to date.

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Faster - what 11 Tours won by Eddier Merckxx r u talking about?  He only won 5 TdeF - 4 consecutive ones and then the last one a year later.   So how can that be greater than Lance's 6 consecutive wins, so far -- and maybe headed for a record 7th CONSECUTIVE?  So what rubbish R U talking about?  

Merckx won five Le Tour de France, five Giro d'Italia, and one Ventea a Espania(sp), these are the three grand tours of the cycling world

Forget those other Tours.

The only one that really matters in the cycling world is the Tour de France.

It is the most pretigious and pays the most money!

What would you rather win: the Olympic 100m gold medal or the 100m gold medal at the Athletics World Championships?

There is no comparrison!

Lance has won the Big ONE! :)

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after defeating the cancer he has a different approach to the competition.. this give him something more compared to the others..

if it wasn't for cancer we would have never become the rider he became, he wasn't a very good rider and only broke into the sport by getting a spot on Confidis the year of his cancel

Baron Merckx is the greatest, anyone that knows cycling knows this

baron, my favourite rider is a Norweigen, and i doubt i would have liked Merckx if he was racing today, but there is no denying that Merckx is the best, followed by Migeul Inderan(sp) than Armstrong

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