Felipe Menegaz Posted September 3, 2009 Report Posted September 3, 2009 President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva unveiled on the afternoon of Wednesday that concluded with the King of Spain, Juan Carlos, an agreement of mutual support. According to the politician, the city that is eliminated from the competition to host the 2016 Games will support the other. - We made a pact: If Brazil does not move (in the next rounds of selection), can support Spain. But if Spain did not move, then votes for Brazil. We were very open and it is an honest game - Lula said in an interview with AFP. Lula also took the opportunity to lead the president of the United States, Barack Obama saying he did not fear its influence in the election of October 2. Then he said that the support of three levels of government to Rio bid can make a difference, as with the choice of London for 2012. - Now we'll see if Obama will make a difference. But eight editions of the games, between winter and summer, has organized by the United States - Lula stressed. - I understand that Paris lost the race with London by 2012 the way the delegates were treated. Then-President (French) Jacques Chirac spoke with them and left, while (the British Prime Minister) Tony Blair spent two days with them, talking. If the agreement can not be only in words, now is that some tropical capital has put not only their hands, but until now embraced the trophy.
Cinderella Posted September 3, 2009 Report Posted September 3, 2009 President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva unveiled on the afternoon of Wednesday that concluded with the King of Spain, Juan Carlos, an agreement of mutual support. According to the politician, the city that is eliminated from the competition to host the 2016 Games will support the other. - We made a pact: If Brazil does not move (in the next rounds of selection), can support Spain. But if Spain did not move, then votes for Brazil. We were very open and it is an honest game - Lula said in an interview with AFP. Lula also took the opportunity to lead the president of the United States, Barack Obama saying he did not fear its influence in the election of October 2. Then he said that the support of three levels of government to Rio bid can make a difference, as with the choice of London for 2012. - Now we'll see if Obama will make a difference. But eight editions of the games, between winter and summer, has organized by the United States - Lula stressed. - I understand that Paris lost the race with London by 2012 the way the delegates were treated. Then-President (French) Jacques Chirac spoke with them and left, while (the British Prime Minister) Tony Blair spent two days with them, talking. If the agreement can not be only in words, now is that some tropical capital has put not only their hands, but until now embraced the trophy. Will they vote themselves? I don't think so... Anyway, I think that's kinda surprising..
baron-pierreIV Posted September 3, 2009 Report Posted September 3, 2009 It's called COLLUSION! And I think Madrid knows they'll be the first or 2nd one out. But they can only speak for themselves. They can't speak for the other IOC members.
Soaring Posted September 3, 2009 Report Posted September 3, 2009 I think this is a somewhat stupid move. Why show your cards? I am disliking Lula more and more.
Felipe Menegaz Posted September 3, 2009 Author Report Posted September 3, 2009 I think this is a somewhat stupid move. Why show your cards?I am disliking Lula more and more. I agree with you...
Sir Rols Posted September 3, 2009 Report Posted September 3, 2009 I was mentioning gaffes as they start to play hard ball in another thread ...
Raphael Posted September 3, 2009 Report Posted September 3, 2009 President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva unveiled on the afternoon of Wednesday that concluded with the King of Spain, Juan Carlos, an agreement of mutual support. According to the politician, the city that is eliminated from the competition to host the 2016 Games will support the other. - We made a pact: If Brazil does not move (in the next rounds of selection), can support Spain. But if Spain did not move, then votes for Brazil. We were very open and it is an honest game - Lula said in an interview with AFP. Lula also took the opportunity to lead the president of the United States, Barack Obama saying he did not fear its influence in the election of October 2. Then he said that the support of three levels of government to Rio bid can make a difference, as with the choice of London for 2012. - Now we'll see if Obama will make a difference. But eight editions of the games, between winter and summer, has organized by the United States - Lula stressed. - I understand that Paris lost the race with London by 2012 the way the delegates were treated. Then-President (French) Jacques Chirac spoke with them and left, while (the British Prime Minister) Tony Blair spent two days with them, talking. If the agreement can not be only in words, now is that some tropical capital has put not only their hands, but until now embraced the trophy. Could you show your source, Felipe?
ChiTown16 Posted September 3, 2009 Report Posted September 3, 2009 Could you show your source, Felipe? It looks like it came from the AFP: http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=196495 "We made a pact," Lula said of his conversation with Juan Carlos. "If Brazil doesn't make it through (the next round of voting), we could back Spain. But if Spain doesn't make it, then its votes will go to Brazil," he said. "We also hope to have backing from France," said Lula, who is to have French President Nicolas Sarkozy as his guest for Brazil's Independence Day celebrations on next Monday. Of the candidate cities, Chicago and Rio are seen as the frontrunners, after IOC inspections signaled deficiencies in the bids from Tokyo and Madrid. CHItown '16
micheal_warren Posted September 4, 2009 Report Posted September 4, 2009 Interesting move but I dont know how much say they have over the IOC members
olympian Posted September 4, 2009 Report Posted September 4, 2009 Madrid from what I heared did have the same agreement with London in 2005.
lucas_leobas Posted September 4, 2009 Report Posted September 4, 2009 So that means that, yesterday, Madrid had no chance of winning, but now they can win if they backstab Rio! BLINDSIDE! Or maybe I'm just watching too much of Survivor...
Sir Rols Posted September 4, 2009 Report Posted September 4, 2009 I'm a bit doubtful about the report. I haven't seen it carried much, and I rellay can't imagine the President of Brazil blabbing about confidential discussions he's had with the King of Spain. So many protocols broken.
Athan Posted September 4, 2009 Report Posted September 4, 2009 It would be perfect - they are my favourites!
Kenadian Posted September 4, 2009 Report Posted September 4, 2009 A nice little gesture. But utterly meaningless. Those voting for either Rio or Madrid are not obligated to vote for the other. Even the IOC members from the first one eliminated won't be bound to this "handshake of friends".
Cinderella Posted September 6, 2009 Report Posted September 6, 2009 Actually, if deeply thought, I can see why Rio would be interested in supporting Madrid after a drop in the first round: if Madrid would win, then 2020 would be definitely America's time. But... what's the point really for Madrid in supporting Rio? It will put aside USA and generating another big competitor for 2020 Just let me add that I can see Madrid now bidding again in 2020, just à la Istambul...
DannyelBrazil Posted September 7, 2009 Report Posted September 7, 2009 If Rio wins, I think USA should wait a little to bid again, at least 4 years (a long time for american bids...)
Athan Posted September 7, 2009 Report Posted September 7, 2009 If Rio wins, I think USA should wait a little to bid again, at least 4 years (a long time for american bids...) That's right. I think it shouldn't be called à la Istanbul but à la USA, without any intention of offending.
NYCD 2012 Posted September 7, 2009 Report Posted September 7, 2009 Not going to work. After all its the IOC members voting not the Spainards and Brazilians. Didn't Madrid had a simillar agreement with one of the other cities back in 2005 ?
Athan Posted September 7, 2009 Report Posted September 7, 2009 Didn't Madrid had a simillar agreement with one of the other cities back in 2005 ? Was it London?
Rob2012 Posted September 7, 2009 Report Posted September 7, 2009 Not going to work. After all its the IOC members voting not the Spainards and Brazilians. Didn't Madrid had a simillar agreement with one of the other cities back in 2005 ? Perhaps it did work in 2005, but ended up favouring the other city in the agreement....Hmmmm. Who knows?
caraRIOca Posted September 22, 2009 Report Posted September 22, 2009 I'm a bit doubtful about the report. I haven't seen it carried much, and I rellay can't imagine the President of Brazil blabbing about confidential discussions he's had with the King of Spain. So many protocols broken. THIS WAS JUST A JOKE BETWEEN THE TWO. THEY WERE JUST BEING NICE TO EACH OTHER. OF COURSE THEY CAN NOT INTERFERE ON THE IOC VOTING.
Roux Posted September 22, 2009 Report Posted September 22, 2009 I think this is a somewhat stupid move. Why show your cards?I am disliking Lula more and more. Ditto. At least he'll be out of office by the time 2016 roles around.
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