Felipe Menegaz Posted August 19, 2009 Report Posted August 19, 2009 Two weeks to the report of the IOC Evaluation Commission for the Games of the XXXI Olympiad. Should we expect big changes in relation to the Working Group Report of the Applicant Cities?
Soaring Posted August 19, 2009 Report Posted August 19, 2009 I don't expect big changes for Tokyo and Madrid, maybe even Chicago. I think everyone is slightly more interested in what is said about Rio.
cslopes54 Posted August 19, 2009 Report Posted August 19, 2009 So is this gonna be the final bid presentation? Venues, plans.. etc? Rio needs to show a polished bid and structures, only 've seen boxes till now.
Sir Rols Posted August 19, 2009 Report Posted August 19, 2009 I don't expect big changes for Tokyo and Madrid, maybe even Chicago. I think everyone is slightly more interested in what is said about Rio. I agree - I don't think it really matter what they say about Chicago, Madrdid or Tokyo (unless any of them get an unexpectedly critical report) - we all know they're gonna be technically well-capable. But (well, speaking for myself at least) I'll be hanging on for how Rio is evualated and described.
Felipe Menegaz Posted August 19, 2009 Author Report Posted August 19, 2009 We can see what was said about Madrid four years ago in the report of the IOC Evaluation Commission for the Games of the XXX Olympiad. Madrid by the 2012 Evaluation Report
Cauê Posted August 20, 2009 Report Posted August 20, 2009 Hi Felipe, welcome to forum! I am confident about a good performance of Rio in the report.
Felipe Menegaz Posted August 20, 2009 Author Report Posted August 20, 2009 Hi Felipe, welcome to forum!I am confident about a good performance of Rio in the report. Thanks Cauê!
Felipe Menegaz Posted August 20, 2009 Author Report Posted August 20, 2009 So is this gonna be the final bid presentation? Venues, plans.. etc? Rio needs to show a polished bid and structures, only 've seen boxes till now. Well lopes, I think that Rio de Janeiro has a solid plan, my only concern is the use of the João Havelange Stadium. It would be much better transform Maracanã into an Olympic Stadium. I am dreaming with Athletics in Maracanã.
DannyelBrazil Posted August 20, 2009 Report Posted August 20, 2009 So is this gonna be the final bid presentation? Venues, plans.. etc? Rio needs to show a polished bid and structures, only 've seen boxes till now. What? Should Rio show the architect projects now? Why spend money with archtects before the decision? If Rio loses, it waste of money...
Felipe Menegaz Posted August 20, 2009 Author Report Posted August 20, 2009 I still hoping for an "Olympic" Maracanã...
memorabilia Posted August 21, 2009 Report Posted August 21, 2009 Two weeks to the report of the IOC Evaluation Commission for the Games of the XXXI Olympiad.Should we expect big changes in relation to the Working Group Report of the Applicant Cities? "Applicant Cities" report... we already had it last year in June ????? Those cities are "candidate cities" !!!
Cinderella Posted August 21, 2009 Report Posted August 21, 2009 I think the real question is: what if Rio gets a bad report? Does it mean they're out of the race? I don't think so.
Rob2012 Posted August 21, 2009 Report Posted August 21, 2009 No they won't be out of the race by any means, but it'll be a massive body blow to the momentum they've built up recently. And if this happens, Chicago would again look like the favourite.
Cinderella Posted August 21, 2009 Report Posted August 21, 2009 No they won't be out of the race by any means, but it'll be a massive body blow to the momentum they've built up recently. And if this happens, Chicago would again look like the favourite. Yes, maybe the favourite... but with all the momentum still to gain just one month ahead the voting. If Chicago acts à la London, then they'll win, but I don't see them on this spot right now.
DannyelBrazil Posted August 21, 2009 Report Posted August 21, 2009 I don't expect a bad evaluation report from Rio... I have in mind that if Rio don't get the best evaluation report (it can happen easily) the momentum will be lowered and the race will be tight again. But the key here is Chicago evaluation report compared to Rio... If Chicago gets behind Rio (it can happen too, not too easily), Rio will open a big advantage when talking about "momentum".
Cinderella Posted August 21, 2009 Report Posted August 21, 2009 I don't expect a bad evaluation report from Rio... I have in mind that if Rio don't get the best evaluation report (it can happen easily) the momentum will be lowered and the race will be tight again. But the key here is Chicago evaluation report compared to Rio... If Chicago gets behind Rio (it can happen too, not too easily), Rio will open a big advantage when talking about "momentum". Hey, Danny... Well, I think the race it's still tight. Rio has gained momentum through a very touchy video presentation and a very good marketing campaign, but it still has the biggest challenges of the four cities bidding, and we can't deny that, nor the IOC has forget it. They know that awarding a country as Brazil in a time of global economic recession will appear, at least, reckless. I'm not saying that therefore Rio won't win, because I see it now a very serious contender of this race and the real one to beat, but it's still too soon for thinking that it has already all the cards in hands.
Felipe Menegaz Posted August 21, 2009 Author Report Posted August 21, 2009 Hey, Danny...Well, I think the race it's still tight. Rio has gained momentum through a very touchy video presentation and a very good marketing campaign, but it still has the biggest challenges of the four cities bidding, and we can't deny that, nor the IOC has forget it. They know that awarding a country as Brazil in a time of global economic recession will appear, at least, reckless. I'm not saying that therefore Rio won't win, because I see it now a very serious contender of this race and the real one to beat, but it's still too soon for thinking that it has already all the cards in hands. According to several organizations, Brazil is one of the countries with the best economic performance amid the financial crisis...
NYCD 2012 Posted August 22, 2009 Report Posted August 22, 2009 I don't expect a bad evaluation report from Rio... I have in mind that if Rio don't get the best evaluation report (it can happen easily) the momentum will be lowered and the race will be tight again. You Brazillians always seem to forget that Rio finished 5th in Working Group's evaluation report back in March last year after Doha & the other 3 candidates. What has change in Rio in the past year and a half ? I wouldn't not know but I doubt it will change that much.
baron-pierreIV Posted August 22, 2009 Report Posted August 22, 2009 You CAN'T change the physical distances between the 4 clusters. All the optimism, etc., can change...but NOT the physical distances.
DannyelBrazil Posted August 23, 2009 Report Posted August 23, 2009 If Chicago gets behind Rio (it can happen too, not too easily), Rio will open a big advantage when talking about "momentum". Guys, did you read my post until the end? I WAS TALKING ONLY ABOUT MOMENTUM..............
DannyelBrazil Posted August 23, 2009 Report Posted August 23, 2009 You Brazillians always seem to forget that Rio finished 5th in Working Group's evaluation report back in March last year after Doha & the other 3 candidates. What has change in Rio in the past year and a half ? I wouldn't not know but I doubt it will change that much. We, Brazilians here, never denied the fact that Rio is the ugly duck in the race... Show any post that I did where I've said that things like transportation, acomodations, venues in Rio are better than the other 3 contenders... If Rio wins, will be not as technically better. (It doesn't means that Rio has not the ability to do the things as perfect as a SOG needs)
Miguel Posted August 23, 2009 Report Posted August 23, 2009 According to several organizations, Brazil is one of the countries with the best economic performance amid the financial crisis... BUT STILL THE COUNTRY WITH THE LARGEST DEBT IN THE WORLD
ken Posted August 23, 2009 Report Posted August 23, 2009 BUT STILL THE COUNTRY WITH THE LARGEST DEBT IN THE WORLD Miguel, can you elaborate more? List of countries by public debt: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_count..._by_public_debt List of countries by external debt: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_count...y_external_debt It's a fact that Brazil, India and China (the BIC's) are in better economic situation than rich countries in general. (And far better than Mexico at the moment. I feel a little bit sorry for you guys because it's such a nice country. But apparently you became highly dependent on the US. And you only seem to get the nasty effects of your NAFTA ties; after all, the wall/fence separating you from your norhtern neighbours is sitll there. But let's not drift away from the main discussion... Anyway, good luck to you Mexican fellows.)
DannyelBrazil Posted August 24, 2009 Report Posted August 24, 2009 Brazil is now a net creditor, which means NO VIRTUAL FOREIGN DEBT!!! And the public debt of Brazil is similar to UK... So.......................... STOP TALKING ABOUT DEBT IN RIO 2016!!! YOU HAVE BEEN RIDICULOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
aluz Posted August 26, 2009 Report Posted August 26, 2009 BUT STILL THE COUNTRY WITH THE LARGEST DEBT IN THE WORLD You are very ill informed. There are two basic ways on measuring a country's debt: 1. Gross debt: the sum of all debts the country carries. 2. Net debt: the difference between the country's debts and the country's credits (debts that other countries have with this country). By the first criteria, the US carries the largest debt in the world. That's not really a problem, since their GDP is also the largest and the possibility of a US default is not seriously considered - even though some economists think that this dogma should not apply under the current situation. By the second criteria, I don't know who carries the largest debt. But I know that Brazil is a net creditor. That means that there are more countries owing money to Brazil than the opposite. So, I don't know from where your figured for debt came. Probably from some text book from the 80's or early 90's when this statement used to be plausible. Just to close, an interesting piece of information: the country that owes more money to Brazil currently is the US, by the way, where Chicago is.
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