Tutankamon Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 Who will vote Madrid in Denmark???? who u think will vote them in a 90-100%??? ( lets enjoy till the dayyy D ) I think some European Countries and north africans a,d a few asians! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafa Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 all those who owe both samaranch favours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 But it's a secret ballot, so how would the S's know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafa Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 if you're the godfather of the IOC..you just know. madrid did not lead one round in singapore because 33 ioc members actually wanted the games to go to madrid over cities like NY London Paris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Rols Posted August 14, 2009 Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 I think some European Countries I wouldn't count on them getting all the European votes if the likes of France, Germany, etc have their own Olympic 2020 hopes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pure facts Posted August 14, 2009 Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 madrid did not lead one round in singapore because 33 ioc members actually wanted the games to go to madrid over cities like NY London Paris And why would that be so impossible to imagine? Great technical plan (the only minus compared to London and Paris was accommodation but I don't think the average IOC member pays too much attention to these details), smooth and low key campaign, an NOC President with excellent relationship with the rest of the Olympic Movement, great memories of the Barcelona Games.... That's more than enough for 33 members to actually decide that Madrid is a worthy host. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinderella Posted August 14, 2009 Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 And why would that be so impossible to imagine?Great technical plan (the only minus compared to London and Paris was accommodation but I don't think the average IOC member pays too much attention to these details), smooth and low key campaign, an NOC President with excellent relationship with the rest of the Olympic Movement, great memories of the Barcelona Games.... That's more than enough for 33 members to actually decide that Madrid is a worthy host. Well... actually it is not impossible to figure it out: I think it will be the safest choice for any of the IOC members that will not feel very confortable with any of the three main favourites. There are reasons for the SOG not to be hosted again in Asia; also there are plenty of people which thinks that Chicago shouldn't be had the option of the USOC. Rio is perceived quite risky by some others... So maybe Madrid could appear an aseptic option for some of them. By the way, I agree that Europe will not be the main source of votes for Madrid, because I can't see France, Germany or Italy voting for Madrid if they are planning some bid for 2020, 2024. Nevertheless, I think Greece, Cyprus and even other Mediterranean countries will vote for Madrid. Even maybe UK, who can't be careless about what happens after 2012 can send half of its votes to Spain and the other half to Chicago. The African vote will go either to Chicago or Madrid because they don't want Rio as the first new frontier city of this century, as they will lobby strongly for Capetown in 2020. Latin America votes will not be travelling massively to Rio just because a matter of mere geography. Countries like Panama, Costa Rica are strongly linked with Spain more than with Brazil. Also, Buenos Aires have also fought to be the first South America host and I can't see it supporting a Rio bid. I'm not saying that the whole of the Latin votes will be for Madrid, but they will not vote as a bloke for Rio. By the way, can someone say me if Puerto Rico can vote for the Chicago bid? I'm not sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiTown16 Posted August 14, 2009 Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 Well... actually it is not impossible to figure it out: I think it will be the safest choice for any of the IOC members that will not feel very confortable with any of the three main favourites. There are reasons for the SOG not to be hosted again in Asia; also there are plenty of people which thinks that Chicago shouldn't be had the option of the USOC. Rio is perceived quite risky by some others... So maybe Madrid could appear an aseptic option for some of them. Alright -- Care to expand on this? Is this the "I've never been to Chicago but I heard that it's too dangerous because of Al Capone" block? CHItown '16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinderella Posted August 14, 2009 Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 Alright -- Care to expand on this? Is this the "I've never been to Chicago but I heard that it's too dangerous because of Al Capone" block?CHItown '16 No, no! I really like Chicago. One of my favourite USA cities But I think it lacks some kind of international attraction that maybe San Francisco, New York has. I was not talking about the people itself, but some IOC members. I kinda think that Chicago is maybe perceived as Leipzig, Seville bids: "ok, you deserve to host, but please bid with the right city". Just my opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted August 14, 2009 Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 No, no! I really like Chicago. One of my favourite USA cities But I think it lacks some kind of international attraction that maybe San Francisco, New York has. I was not talking about the people itself, but some IOC members. I kinda think that Chicago is maybe perceived as Leipzig, Seville bids: "ok, you deserve to host, but please bid with the right city". Just my opinion Actually, you are wrong. The USOC settled on Chicago via a very analytical and scientific method. It commissioned NOT one, BUT TWO polls amongst international sports leaders, consultants and (the exact number is confidential) but around 60+ IOC members on their perceptions of the leading US city candidates for the 2016 round (so minus New York and LA.) Chicago came out on top twice, slightly ahead of San Francisco. So despite the perception that "Chicago" is not as continental as New York or San Francisco, apparently amongst a great number of people and parties who will matter in the October vote, "Chicago" was their pick. Further, Chicago has the layout and existing infrastructure to present a rather compact Games while San Francisco (and New York) cannot get its major components for a winning bid, together. And I believe the IOC members asked were those known NOT to be too favorable of the US. (I mean why ask your friends?) Now, whether some of those parties in the two polls purposely skewed their picks to throw off the whole USOC process, then that's another story entirely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinderella Posted August 14, 2009 Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 Actually, you are wrong. The USOC settled on Chicago via a very analytical and scientific method. It commissioned NOT one, BUT TWO polls amongst international sports leaders, consultants and (the exact number is confidential) but around 60+ IOC members on their perceptions of the leading US city candidates for the 2016 round (so minus New York and LA.) Chicago came out on top twice, slightly ahead of San Francisco. So despite the perception that "Chicago" is not as continental as New York or San Francisco, apparently amongst a great number of people and parties who will matter in the October vote, "Chicago" was their pick. Further, Chicago has the layout and existing infrastructure to present a rather compact Games while San Francisco (and New York) cannot get its major components for a winning bid, together. And I believe the IOC members asked were those known NOT to be too favorable of the US. (I mean why ask your friends?) Now, whether some of those parties in the two polls purposely skewed their picks to throw off the whole USOC process, then that's another story entirely. Let's not get off topic, as usual. I will start another one in Chicago forum because I think it's quite interesting what you say. See you there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinderella Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 By the way, can someone say me if Puerto Rico can vote for the Chicago bid? I'm not sure. Any ideas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest PARAN Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 Who will vote Madrid in Denmark???? who u think will vote them in a 90-100%??? ( lets enjoy till the dayyy D ) I think some European Countries and north africans a,d a few asians! 2012 London 2014 Sochi 2016 Madrid Impossible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 By the way, can someone say me if Puerto Rico can vote for the Chicago bid? I'm not sure. Puerto Rico, like the Virgin Islands and American Samoa, have their own separate NOCs. So, yes the Puerto Rican IOC member (Carrion) is NOT excluded from voting for Chicago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soaring Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 ...but that doesn't mean he will vote for the U.S. Puerto Ricans seem to have a love/hate relationship with the U.S., as do many others. I think we would have a better chance with Barbados or Aruba! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinderella Posted August 19, 2009 Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 ...but that doesn't mean he will vote for the U.S.Puerto Ricans seem to have a love/hate relationship with the U.S., as do many others. I think we would have a better chance with Barbados or Aruba! Well, if actually he can vote for Chicago, I can't see any strong reason for not voting them. Anything else would be surprising. By the way, I see Madrid will be the neutral vote for many of the members in the first round. The city will pass and will have the most difficult time during the second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athan Posted August 19, 2009 Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 By the way, I see Madrid will be the neutral vote for many of the members in the first round. The city will pass and will have the most difficult time during the second. I would say the first round is the most difficult one for Madrid. If it passes the first, I can imagine the city making it to the final round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soaring Posted August 19, 2009 Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 ...and I think Rio would not shed any tears if Madrid was eliminated out of the gate. In fact they may be trying to take a bar to their leg! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franxavi Posted August 26, 2009 Report Share Posted August 26, 2009 Hello I am new in this forum. I often read your commentaries and I see that you rule out Tokyo in the first round. Next rounds will be very difficult and any little element can decide the vote. - Madrid has a very professional bid but maybe less exciting than others. The project is more serious and is in Europe. - Chicago has problems with USOC and IOC. I feel that it is less probable day to day. - Rio has a very interesting project but they can not pay it in a million of years. Pele advised that they can not pay to improve their soccer stadiums for 2014 world cup, how they will built olympics stadiums?. Sincerely, my vote is for MADRID Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted August 26, 2009 Report Share Posted August 26, 2009 Hello I am new in this forum.I often read your commentaries and I see that you rule out Tokyo in the first round. Next rounds will be very difficult and any little element can decide the vote. - Madrid has a very professional bid but maybe less exciting than others. The project is more serious and is in Europe. - Chicago has problems with USOC and IOC. I feel that it is less probable day to day. - Rio has a very interesting project but they can not pay it in a million of years. Pele advised that they can not pay to improve their soccer stadiums for 2014 world cup, how they will built olympics stadiums?. Sincerely, my vote is for MADRID welcome, franxvi. Madrid is useless. It won't win. It'll be out by the 2nd round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franxavi Posted August 27, 2009 Report Share Posted August 27, 2009 You are dreaming. Madrid will win. I´m sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aluz Posted August 27, 2009 Report Share Posted August 27, 2009 - Madrid has a very professional bid but maybe less exciting than others. The project is more serious and is in Europe. Here you have the weakest point in Madrid's situation, which almost rules it out of the race: it's in Europe. After all, 2012 will be in Europe and so was 2004. so it would be 3 out 4 Olympic Games. - Chicago has problems with USOC and IOC. I feel that it is less probable day to day. Either way they have the US economy on their back. The main IOC sponsors and revenues come from the US. So, their economic power might take it, again. Like 1996 in Atlanta and 2002 in Salt Lake City. - Rio has a very interesting project but they can not pay it in a million of years. Pele advised that they can not pay to improve their soccer stadiums for 2014 world cup, how they will built olympics stadiums?. Where did you get the notion that Brazil cannot pay. This last economic crisis has turned those conjectures upside down. Currently, Brazil is the only country in the race running Government surpluses and reducing its debt. Regarding Pele's comment, indeed, much more will be spent on the stadium renovations from the WC, but the money doesn't come from the same budget. Stadiums are going to be built by the clubs and local governments and the renovations for Maracana will be done to support both events. His point is only valid for the host cities in remote areas like Cuiaba and Manaus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franxavi Posted August 27, 2009 Report Share Posted August 27, 2009 Your reply is very correct and maybe I´m wrong. I´m dreaming only for my city (Madrid) and I accept its weak points. Maybe you are right but for 2012 we have the same illusion than yours now and maybe the best bid but the internal politics between IOC members give the games to London. Nothing is decided and usually don´t win the favourite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted August 27, 2009 Report Share Posted August 27, 2009 Your reply is very correct and maybe I´m wrong.I´m dreaming only for my city (Madrid) and I accept its weak points. Maybe you are right but for 2012 we have the same illusion than yours now and maybe the best bid but the internal politics between IOC members give the games to London. Nothing is decided and usually don´t win the favourite. Correct, franxavi...and remember, right now, RIO IS THE FAVORITE!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raphael Posted August 27, 2009 Report Share Posted August 27, 2009 Correct, franxavi...and remember, right now, RIO IS THE FAVORITE!! Baron, as Chairman of the IOC Board you can not express your opinions publicly. This is not fair. It might influence other members. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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