memorabilia Posted July 31, 2009 Report Posted July 31, 2009 It's done, IOC published this morning the official calendar and the documents for the race to the 2018 Winter Olympic Games... http://www.olympic.org/uk/news/olympic_news Applicant files are due for the 15th March 2010 Short list at the end of June 2010 Candidature files (bid books) are due for the 11th January 2011 Evaluation Commission in February / March 2011 Election on 6th July 2011
mattperiolat Posted July 31, 2009 Report Posted July 31, 2009 It's done, IOC published this morning the official calendar and the documents for the race to the 2018 Winter Olympic Games...http://www.olympic.org/uk/news/olympic_news Applicant files are due for the 15th March 2010 Short list at the end of June 2010 Candidature files (bid books) are due for the 11th January 2011 Evaluation Commission in February / March 2011 Election on 6th July 2011 Stupid question time: will any city having already submitted applicant files have delegations invited to Vancouver to observe? Would think it could help in putting a bid plan together.
Pure facts Posted July 31, 2009 Report Posted July 31, 2009 Stupid question time: will any city having already submitted applicant files have delegations invited to Vancouver to observe? Would think it could help in putting a bid plan together. This is not stupid question. All the applicant cities will take part in the Observer Programme during the Vancouver Games as well as in the Official Debrief in June in Sochi.
memorabilia Posted July 31, 2009 Author Report Posted July 31, 2009 Stupid question time: will any city having already submitted applicant files have delegations invited to Vancouver to observe? Would think it could help in putting a bid plan together. All applicant cities which will have submitted in October a letter of intention will be invited to the Observer Program in Vancouver in February, so still time to make the last update on their applicant file due to mid march.
Westfale Posted August 6, 2009 Report Posted August 6, 2009 The Chinese Deputy Sports Minister Cui Dalin told AFP, that there are preparations for a Chinese Winter Games bid. I think Harbin would be the front runner right from the beginning.
thatsnotmypuppy Posted August 6, 2009 Report Posted August 6, 2009 I think Harbin will take out Pyeongchang if they vote leaving it wide open for a Swede or German bid to swoop in. The IOC could safely use Harbin as an excuse to take PC out in round one and let the Euro bids battle it out. It's happened before.
Faster Posted August 6, 2009 Report Posted August 6, 2009 The Chinese Deputy Sports Minister Cui Dalin told AFP, that there are preparations for a Chinese Winter Games bid. I think Harbin would be the front runner right from the beginning. No, there has been numerous remotes of widespread problems and IOC dissatisfaction during Beijing because of NOC payments, IF payments, revenue payments, venue movement that is against IOC rules (though the IOC really had no choice but to ok it), ticketing issues and other problems that went unseen by the general public but were very noticeable within the IOC. Not to mention the extremely bad press that the IOC received due to Beijing and Harbin venue's proximity to the North Korean boarder and using disputed territory as per their last bid all point to it not even being considered other than to derail a Pyeongchang bid to give the games to Munich or another European city with the IOC claiming that it was a free vote and there was continental vote splitting.
skicross Posted August 7, 2009 Report Posted August 7, 2009 We just have 3 official cities bidding for the 2018 WOG: Munich, Annecy and PyeongChang. Shouldn't we expect some last minute city? We could have Harbin or even Zaragoza. At least 5 applicant cities, it would be more exciting, don't you think?
4gamesandcounting Posted August 7, 2009 Report Posted August 7, 2009 venue movement which venue movements are you talking about? I'm interested - not doubting your judgement!
LiuTian Posted August 7, 2009 Report Posted August 7, 2009 No, there has been numerous remotes of widespread problems and IOC dissatisfaction during Beijing because of NOC payments, IF payments, revenue payments, venue movement that is against IOC rules (though the IOC really had no choice but to ok it), ticketing issues and other problems that went unseen by the general public but were very noticeable within the IOC. Not to mention the extremely bad press that the IOC received due to Beijing and Harbin venue's proximity to the North Korean boarder and using disputed territory as per their last bid all point to it Nonsense. 你别再胡说八道了，我从来没听说过东北部有什么争议领土。再说了，朝鲜交界是在吉林省，和黑龙江省的哈尔滨没关系。你别在这一派胡言了。
Sir Rols Posted August 7, 2009 Report Posted August 7, 2009 We just have 3 official cities bidding for the 2018 WOG: Munich, Annecy and PyeongChang. Shouldn't we expect some last minute city? We could have Harbin or even Zaragoza. At least 5 applicant cities, it would be more exciting, don't you think? China's anounced they are looking likely to put in a Harbin bid - but they'd be long odds at best (sorry Liu - in the 2020s it'll stand a better chance). I'm sure we'll a few more come out of the woodwork. Didn't SkiCross say Zaragossa were seriously considering?
thatsnotmypuppy Posted August 7, 2009 Report Posted August 7, 2009 Sofia again? Almaty again? Even though the USOC are saying no I wouldn't be too shocked if they have something up their sleeve.
memorabilia Posted August 8, 2009 Author Report Posted August 8, 2009 Nonsense. 你别再胡说八道了，我从来没听说过东北部有什么争议领土。再说了，朝鲜交界是在吉林省，和黑龙江省的哈尔滨没关系。你别在这一派胡言了。 Could you explain ??????? In english ...................;
Citius Altius Fortius Posted August 8, 2009 Report Posted August 8, 2009 I suppose he tried to say that Harbin's Alpine/Snow venues aren't close to North-Korea and that there are no disputed territories...
skicross Posted August 8, 2009 Report Posted August 8, 2009 China's anounced they are looking likely to put in a Harbin bid - but they'd be long odds at best (sorry Liu - in the 2020s it'll stand a better chance).I'm sure we'll a few more come out of the woodwork. Didn't SkiCross say Zaragossa were seriously considering? Yeah, Zaragoza is considering a bid and there is a project on the desk. Late this month a decission will be taken but obviously it won't be officialy published. Not until the 2016 SOG race is over. Another point, although Zaragoza finally decided to bid, I am not so sure that the Spanish Olympic Committee will let it, there are just 13 days to convice them.
memorabilia Posted August 8, 2009 Author Report Posted August 8, 2009 Another point, although Zaragoza finally decided to bid, I am not so sure that the Spanish Olympic Committee will let it, there are just 13 days to convice them. Why 13 days ?
skicross Posted August 8, 2009 Report Posted August 8, 2009 Why 13 days ? 2016 SOG Decission - 2nd October 2018 WOG Deadline - 15 October The Spanish Olympic Committee won't listen to Zaragoza (or any other city) until the outcome of Madrid 2016.
Faster Posted August 8, 2009 Report Posted August 8, 2009 which venue movements are you talking about? I'm interested - not doubting your judgement! Equestrian, in the bid book was suppose to take place in Beijing, moved to Hong Kong two or three years into the process.
Westfale Posted August 8, 2009 Report Posted August 8, 2009 I think Harbin will take out Pyeongchang if they vote leaving it wide open for a Swede or German bid to swoop in. The IOC could safely use Harbin as an excuse to take PC out in round one and let the Euro bids battle it out. It's happened before. You are the member, who knows many IOC-members. You know, how the IOC "works". I agree, any Chinese bid would reduce PC chances. But it also reduce Munichs or Annecys chances. China is the nation, that has a growing influence in Africa and even in South America. The majority of the African and South American IOC-members will vote in favor of Harbin, because China will put them under pressure. Plus a few envy votes from Europe and Harbin will host the Winter Games.
4gamesandcounting Posted August 8, 2009 Report Posted August 8, 2009 I think Harbin has a good chance. Surely not back to back in Europe? I'd like to see it go back to the USA, but given Chicago is running they only have 13 days to put in a bid if Chicago loses. If USA do put in a bid, it a Harbin v USA fight. Having said all of that - GO ANNECY!
memorabilia Posted August 8, 2009 Author Report Posted August 8, 2009 The IOC could safely use Harbin as an excuse to take PC out in round one and let the Euro bids battle it out. It's happened before. I don't think so. Round 1, as you said, is the applicant phase, and its evaluation is mainly technical. PC made the short-list easily each time during the 2 last WOG races. No doubt they will receive the same level of technical marks and will make the cut for the short-list. But in general, i agree, that in phase 2 (candidate phase and final vote) Harbin will took votes and will help to a quick exit of PC in the final vote.
Faster Posted August 9, 2009 Report Posted August 9, 2009 I don't think so.Round 1, as you said, is the applicant phase, and its evaluation is mainly technical. PC made the short-list easily each time during the 2 last WOG races. No doubt they will receive the same level of technical marks and will make the cut for the short-list. But in general, i agree, that in phase 2 (candidate phase and final vote) Harbin will took votes and will help to a quick exit of PC in the final vote. Your wrong, Pyeongchang barely made the shortlist in 2003, they straddled the line with Berne and were pushed through. Pyeongchange actually was slightly below the benchmark and a lot of people suspect the reason why Almaty did not get into the final round in 2014 was because 2010 was destined for Vancouver come hell or high water and it almost lost to a bid that was at or below the benchmark and got a pity inclusion.
memorabilia Posted August 9, 2009 Author Report Posted August 9, 2009 Your wrong, Pyeongchang barely made the shortlist in 2003, they straddled the line with Berne and were pushed through. Pyeongchange actually was slightly below the benchmark and a lot of people suspect the reason why Almaty did not get into the final round in 2014 was because 2010 was destined for Vancouver come hell or high water and it almost lost to a bid that was at or below the benchmark and got a pity inclusion. I usualy check sources before posting... So yesterday i went through the Applicant Cities Report for 2010 & 2014 Here are the technical conclusions : 2010 2014 So 2010, overall note was around 6 in a race for the 3rd place (IOC would not present only 2 cities to the vote) with Bern. But if you check areas by areas you would see that PC is before Bern and we knew the lack of support regarding the Bern bid. So PC made the cut. Regarding 2014, it is more clear, as IOC report give more details. Technically PC was second... Almaty was in the situation where PC was 4 years earlier, but unfortunately for Almaty there was already 3 cities with higher overall note ! So PC made the cut without any discussion.
Faster Posted August 9, 2009 Report Posted August 9, 2009 Was I talking about Pyeonchang in 2014, no, I was talking about the position Almaty was in, in 2014 that mirrored the position Pyeongchang was in, in 2010 and how it is thought that Pyeongchang almost winning when they straddled the acceptable benchmark to be the reason Almaty was not pushed through in 2006 for a 4 city race leading to the vote in 2007. And if you read the 2010 conclusions you would know that it was in order of ranking and Bern was put before Pyeonchange and therefore when the weighting and calculations were completed Bern was ahead of Pyeongchange and safely a candidate city whereas Pyeongchang was the 4th city. Just like Salzburg was put before Vancouver because Salzburg had the highest aggregate rating compared to Vancouver.
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