Hamburg 2016?

[nykfan845]

Hamburg happy to host US

Reuters

With 27 of the 32 World Cup places decided, a mating dance is going on across Germany.

Teams are searching for the best hotels and training facilities while towns and cities are trying to attract the biggest teams.

Bruce Arena's United States team were one of the first to settle on their base camp for next year's World Cup, choosing the affluent city state of Hamburg in the far north of Germany.

Brazil, Argentina and France boast better-known players and will attract more fans but Hamburg officials hope the Americans will bolster the city's bid to stage the 2016 Olympics.

"The important thing for Hamburg is to attract attention at the World Cup with a view to bidding again for the Olympics," said Guido Neumann, part of the Hamburg city public relations team working on the World Cup.

Reuters Article

Hmm. . . Wrong time to bid in my opinion. The geopolitical cycle means that Europe will not get the 2016 Olympic Games. With Sophia, Salzburg, Borjomi and Jaca, the 2014 Olympics also have a good chance of going to Europe. I don't see it happening.

[Sir Rols]

I would love to see Hamburg host itt for Germany _ they had a fantastic 2012 plan (even though German sports politics saw Leipzig mistakenly get the nod over it), and IMO is the only German city apart from Berlin or Munich that stands an excekllent chance of winning a bid.

That said ...

Yeah, 2016 is far too soon. Maybe if it was a dry run for 2020 it could be a good idea, but then again it's a risk for a city in a country like Germany with lots of domestic competitors to expect to automatically get a second bid chance after it loses.

[Mikel]

I really think Hamburg will be the next German bidding city but its real chance will be in the 2020's-2030's no in 2016.

[Rafa]

it actually is all about timing...i see new york make a late dash for 2016...i see cape town quietly preparing itself now and making noise at the right time....you have to peak at the right time and then keep getting better...i dont believe hamburg is going to host the games soon...remember again there is a difference between who can and is able to host the games and those who will actually host the games....its more likely for the IOC to go big and make bold moves like new york, cape town rio and keep the world and the media interested in all its decisions...we might only in 2028 see a european city again and by that time who knows...maybe another city would be favourite or it might just return to paris to continue an amazing run of summer olympics....

[baron-pierreIV]

OH, please, people.  Just because a secondary city is picked as a training base for one of the World Cup teams doesn't in the slightest make it prime Olympic candidate material.  Yes, Hamburg is like the 2nd or 3rd city of Germany -- depending on how you look at it, but just because some of the 2006 major teams chose it doesn't qualify it as a shoo-in.

#1 - WHat about Berlin - the capital?  Berlin has also wanted to host the Games again.  Berlin has the cachet which the port of city of Hamburg does not.  

#2 - OK, so they have a few football fields they can loan out to teams.  Soccer is only 1 of 28-30 sports in the Olympic slate.  That doesn't mean a city like Hamburg is all that ready to take on an Olympic commitment right away.  

#3 - Little Leipzig isn't going to give up without a fight.

Also, if you will look at past Olympics: the little town of Siska-something or other outside Calgary hosted the Soviet team back in 1988 - where are they now?

- I think Banyoles outside Barcelona in 1992 was the training base for some major teams; did they ever come forward and say "we are going to be an Olympic candidate in the future?"

- Macon, Georgia - 1996, I think hosted some teams like Great Britain, etc.  Certainly you've not heard from them again.

Please, people, if you are going to be taken seriously on this board, be a little more discriminating in assessing the chances of viable Olympic bid cities.

[Citius Altius Fortius]

I'm sure that Ole von Beust, the mayor of Hamburg, will persuade the German NOC to bid with Hamburg for 2016.

I agree that after the election of London for 2012 it is too early for Europe again, but I think you need a "long breath" for the international biding process today. The United Kingdom bidded in the 90s and early 00s with Manchester and Birmingham - why shouldn't Germany bid with Berlin in 2000, Leipzig in 2012 and Hamburg in 2016?

I'm totally convinced that Hamburg would be a wonderful host for fantastic Olympic Summer Games - it is another question if Hamburg has a chance in the international competition.

But I´m sure that the next Olympic Summer Games in Germany will be in Berlin again - I suppose the next Olympic Games in Germany will be Winter Games - and I hope they are in Munich...

[Rob2012]

I think 2024 will probably be Europe's next games. If 2020 is in Europe, they'll be a long way from London I would think.

2016: No chance matey.

[Suit U Sir !!!]

Hamburg...... IMO is the only German city apart from Berlin or Munich that stands an excekllent chance of winning a bid.

Don't forget Frankfurt.

- economic/ financial capital of Germany

- home of the European central bank

- busiest Airport on mainland Europe

- busiest Railway station on mainland Europe

The IOC would be attracted to $$$$$

[Citius Altius Fortius]

Hamburg...... IMO is the only German city apart from Berlin or Munich that stands an excekllent chance of winning a bid.

Don't forget Frankfurt.

- economic/ financial capital of Germany

- home of the European central bank

- busiest Airport on mainland Europe

- busiest Railway station on mainland Europe

The IOC would be attracted to $$$$$

Frankfurt is nothing more nothing less a village of 600,000 inhabitants

[baron-pierreIV]

Frankfurt is nothing more nothing less a village of 600,000 inhabitants

well, technically, Atlanta (proper) was only a city of some 411,000 at the time it hosted the Centennial Games -- making it the smallest postwar SOG host.  (Metro Atlanta was some 1.75 million)  So a city of some 500,000 can host a Summer Games if it has the right complement of businesses, hotels, sports venues, universities, 2 or 3 convention centers, some rivers, streams, and sporting zeal.

[Rei]

ehmm does anybody remember what happened to Leipzig in the last bid?

..and I can't imagine what Hamburgbid could go ahead in a race whic is doomed to become even more hard with the Paris, Rome, Madrid "lost bids", the American turn and the new frountiers just behind..

so why don't you make for Berlin, the capital and one of most attractives, well-provided and beautiful euro cities..  ???

[Suit U Sir !!!]

Frankfurt is nothing more nothing less a village of 600,000 inhabitants

Yes, many German's (that are not from Frankfurt) say that. The most common use phrase is: "Frankfurt is just a village with skyscrapers, nothing else."

But I think it's amazing how this village has became a world financial and economic centre, and the transport hub of mainland Europe. I can only conclude that other cities in Germany are jealous. (except Berlin and Munich of course, which are world-known).

In terms of "world function," Frankfurt is miles ahead of other German cities like Hamburg, Munich, Stuttgart, Koln etc...that's why a bid from Frankurt would be taken more seriously that a bid from any of those other cities listed above.

Frankfurt is more established than Hamburg, Stuttgart, Koln etc.

Frankfurt = $$$$$

[baron-pierreIV]

Frankfurt is nothing more nothing less a village of 600,000 inhabitants

Yes, many German's (that are not from Frankfurt) say that. The most common use phrase is: "Frankfurt is just a village with skyscrapers, nothing else."

But I think it's amazing how this village has became a world financial and economic centre, and the transport hub of mainland Europe. I can only conclude that other cities in Germany are jealous. (except Berlin and Munich of course, which are world-known).

In terms of "world function," Frankfurt is miles ahead of other German cities like Hamburg, Munich, Stuttgart, Koln etc...that's why a bid from Frankurt would be taken more seriously that a bid from any of those other cities listed above.

Frankfurt is more established than Hamburg, Stuttgart, Koln etc.

Frankfurt = $$$$$

Absolutely, a Games in Frankfurt would not hurt for sponsors.  But the thing is, would Frankfurt have the zeal to stay with a bid?

[Sir Rols]

Hamburg...... IMO is the only German city apart from Berlin or Munich that stands an excekllent chance of winning a bid.

Don't forget Frankfurt.

- economic/ financial capital of Germany

- home of the European central bank

- busiest Airport on mainland Europe

- busiest Railway station on mainland Europe

The IOC would be attracted to $$$$$

Frankfurt is nothing more nothing less a village of 600,000 inhabitants

Have you been? It's a soulless, quite boring city. All it has going for it is a few interesting skyscrapers. The CBD is basically dead outside of office hours. It is not a cultural city, or even a truly typically "German" city in feel. Nor even really a truly "international" city in the sense of a London or New York with a large international and vibrant multicultural population.

It is a banking city, pure and simple. And most Germans also agree _hardly any of them like it. I think most of them see it as nothing but an airport (which is precisley why most of us non-Germans even know of it) and a banking High Street, and little else.

About the only thing in its favour for an Olympics would be transport. When it comes to sponsorship or finance, it wouldn't make much of a difference _ German companies would support a German games in whatever city they are in. If anything, again the finance angle works against Frankfurt. While the banks might be headquartered there, the true powerhouses of the German economy, the IT and auto companies of the likes of Siemens, BMW etc, still cluster around Berlin and Munich for their HQs rather than Frankfurt.

Basically, if it comes to ambience and cultural life, the IOC would have a much better time wining, dining and shopping in Berlin, Hamburg or Munich than they would in dreary old Franfurt.

Anyway, I also don't think Franfurt has ever expressed much interest in going for the games. Trust me, when it comes to the Summer games, only three cities in Germany really have what it takes, both infrastructurally and in terms of international appeal _ Berlin, Munich and Hamburg! None of them have anything to be jealous of Frankfurt for. Any disdain they have for it is highly justified!

Apologies if I've offended any Frankfurters.

[Citius Altius Fortius]

Frankfurt is nothing more nothing less a village of 600,000 inhabitants

Yes, many German's (that are not from Frankfurt) say that. The most common use phrase is: "Frankfurt is just a village with skyscrapers, nothing else."

But I think it's amazing how this village has became a world financial and economic centre, and the transport hub of mainland Europe. I can only conclude that other cities in Germany are jealous. (except Berlin and Munich of course, which are world-known).

In terms of "world function," Frankfurt is miles ahead of other German cities like Hamburg, Munich, Stuttgart, Koln etc...that's why a bid from Frankurt would be taken more seriously that a bid from any of those other cities listed above.

Frankfurt is more established than Hamburg, Stuttgart, Koln etc.

Frankfurt = $$$$$

I had lived in Frankfurt three years and like roltel has already said it is really a very unattractive city - the only reason why it has become the transport hub is that in 1945 the US-military selected the city as place of their HQ in Germany and used the small airport close to the city as airfield (later the airfield was used for civil aviation too - this airport became the Rhein-Main-Airport)

Frankfurt was selected as HQ, because it was in the center of West-Germany - that is the reason, too why the city became the economical heart of West-Germany.

I doubt that Frankfurt-upon-Main [there is a Frankfurt-upon-Oder in Germany, too] will get the support of Germany to host olympic games.

[Suit U Sir !!!]

Have you been?

Yes I have, I was there in June, was staying in a hotel on Moselstrasse near the Hauptbahnhof. Also went to do wine tasting and travelled up the Rhine.

I do agree that Frankfurt does not have the culture and attractions of cities like Berlin, Munich and Hamburg but the thing is that the IOC have rejected culture, history and landmarks etc, for cities which are more economically and financially stable.

eg. 1996- Athens was rejected for Atlanta.

Atlanta has little culture, history, and landmarks compared to Athens, infact it is no match, but the IOC saw the $$$$ and security and chose Atlanta.

Not to mention, Atlanta has the busiest airport in the world. (in terms of international flights, Heathrow is the busiest though).

Hamburg doesn't have any important world function/ role, which is important to the IOC.

[baron-pierreIV]

Atlanta has little culture, history, and landmarks compared to Athens, infact it is no match, but the IOC saw the $$$$ and security and chose Atlanta.

excuse me...but Atlanta is the symbol of a 'Resurrected South;' the home of (in order of importance) such legends as Margaret Mitchell, Julia Roberts, Scarlett O'Hara, Martin Luther King, Ted Turner and CNN, and last but not least, the HQTR town of tres important Olympic sponsors Coca-Cola and Home Depot.  So it did have a bit going for it.

[Citius Altius Fortius]

... and last but not least, the HQTR town of tres important Olympic sponsors Coca-Cola and Home Depot.

... would you mind to explain to me what is "home depot" - I had never heard about that company before.

[Mikel]

Atlanta has little culture, history, and landmarks compared to Athens, infact it is no match, but the IOC saw the $$$$ and security and chose Atlanta.

excuse me...but Atlanta is the symbol of a 'Resurrected South;' the home of (in order of importance) such legends as Margaret Mitchell, Julia Roberts, Scarlett O'Hara, Martin Luther King, Ted Turner and CNN, and last but not least, the HQTR town of tres important Olympic sponsors Coca-Cola and Home Depot.  So it did have a bit going for it.

What have to do Julia Roberts or Martin Luther King with the Olympics?  :rock: Rogge, the IOC President is from Belgium, and? HM Elizabeth II is from England, and?  

[baron-pierreIV]

Obviously you don't get the humor of the post.  Let me ask you:  what did the fashion show in Barcelona's Opening or the Opera portion have to do with the Olympics?  

I don't know why I am explaining this to you -- but will give you the benefit of the doubt.  (We do diverge a little from strictly Olympic stuff in case you haven't noticed, mikel.   It is allowed.)

As for MLK, Jr., he was a selling point of Atlanta, and his legacy was featured in the Opening Ceremony, alongside great-great gramps -- as two men who had great dreams and great vision.  Vision meaning '...of great ideals.' not eyesight, in case you don't get it.   

Is that "Olympic" enough for you?  

[Sir Rols]

the IOC have rejected culture, history and landmarks etc, for cities which are more economically and financially stable.

eg. 1996- Athens was rejected for Atlanta.

1996 was more of a case of Athens losing it _ because they were just too arrogant, expecting the games as of "divine right", but not delivering on anything concrete. If Athens had had anywhere near a half-decent game plan, I'm sure they would have cracked it eight years earlier than they did. Atlanta is about the one exception to the rule of a financial centre and little else winning out to a culture and glamour capital. For each (and really there's been only the one, Atlanta) let's discuss the likes of Brisbane, Melbourne, Lille, Manchester, Birmingham, Leipzig, Detroit, Milan, etc.

Yes, Hamburg probably fits more in this list than among the first tierers like London, NY, Paris, Tokyo, Sydney etc, but it's far and away far more of a likely host than Frankfurt, which is basically a set of banks (as I said, most other German non-banking companies also go elesewhere), a train station and an airport and sweet nothing more!  It's a pipsqueak among German cities.

[baron-pierreIV]

... and last but not least, the HQTR town of tres important Olympic sponsors Coca-Cola and Home Depot.

... would you mind to explain to me what is "home depot" - I had never heard about that company before.

CAF, sorry.  Just saw this post of yours.

Home Depot is one of the big home improvement, do-it-yourself stores.  Their stores are huge, almost like warehouses, and people who are constantly improving their homes can buy almost anything from this chain.  It has been one of the wonder stories of direct retailing in the US in the last 12 years or so.

As a matter of fact, for my new condo, I am buying doors, Pergo flooring, the padding, tools, etc. from The Home Depot close to my new home.  Their stock is so solid that I believe they were added to the vaunted Dow-Jones INdustrial Index like 2 years ago.

And this chain calls Atlanta its corporate home -- as does UPS, Delta Airlines and Holiday Inn as well.

[Citius Altius Fortius]

... and last but not least, the HQTR town of tres important Olympic sponsors Coca-Cola and Home Depot.

... would you mind to explain to me what is "home depot" - I had never heard about that company before.

CAF, sorry.  Just saw this post of yours.

Home Depot is one of the big home improvement, do-it-yourself stores.  Their stores are huge, almost like warehouses, and people who are constantly improving their homes can buy almost anything from this chain.  It has been one of the wonder stories of direct retailing in the US in the last 12 years or so.

As a matter of fact, for my new condo, I am buying doors, Pergo flooring, the padding, tools, etc. from The Home Depot close to my new home.  Their stock is so solid that I believe they were added to the vaunted Dow-Jones INdustrial Index like 2 years ago.

And this chain calls Atlanta its corporate home -- as does UPS, Delta Airlines and Holiday Inn as well.

ahhhh ... I know what you mean, I'm improving my flat at the moment, too and I'm frequently at OBI - the German corresponding of the American Home Depot - although I suppose OBI is much "smaller" than Home Depot.

... and OBI is in Germany a very Important sponsor for the Olympic Games like Home Depot in the USA.

LOL - I did some investigations and found out that the first shop was in Hamburg-Poppenbüttel, which is just 20 minutes away from my parents house - well maybe Hamburg will become host like Atlanta, too.

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[Suit U Sir !!!]

Atlanta has little culture, history, and landmarks compared to Athens, infact it is no match, but the IOC saw the $$$$ and security and chose Atlanta.

excuse me...but Atlanta is the symbol of a 'Resurrected South;' the home of (in order of importance) such legends as Margaret Mitchell, Julia Roberts, Scarlett O'Hara, Martin Luther King, Ted Turner and CNN, and last but not least, the HQTR town of tres important Olympic sponsors Coca-Cola and Home Depot.  So it did have a bit going for it.

Yes, Atlanta was a well-established city in North America prior to the olympics. But did the city have great status on the world stage? No.

Prior to 1996 (or lets say 1990, when the olympic bid was won), Atlanta was pretty much unknown outside North america, despite being home to CNN and having links to Coca-Cola. It's actually suprising that Atlanta wasn't well going given these world connections. A lot of people heard of Atlanta for the first time, only after it had won the olympic bid.

The 1996 olympics put Atlanta on the world map (it was already on the North American map). Similarly Barcelona and Seoul, Munich and Montreal were put on the world map thanx to the SOG.

[baron-pierreIV]

Atlanta has little culture, history, and landmarks compared to Athens, infact it is no match, but the IOC saw the $$$$ and security and chose Atlanta.

excuse me...but Atlanta is the symbol of a 'Resurrected South;' the home of (in order of importance) such legends as Margaret Mitchell, Julia Roberts, Scarlett O'Hara, Martin Luther King, Ted Turner and CNN, and last but not least, the HQTR town of tres important Olympic sponsors Coca-Cola and Home Depot.  So it did have a bit going for it.

Yes, Atlanta was a well-established city in North America prior to the olympics. But did the city have great status on the world stage? No.

Prior to 1996 (or lets say 1990, when the olympic bid was won), Atlanta was pretty much unknown outside North america, despite being home to CNN and having links to Coca-Cola. It's actually suprising that Atlanta wasn't well going given these world connections. A lot of people heard of Atlanta for the first time, only after it had won the olympic bid.

The 1996 olympics put Atlanta on the world map (it was already on the North American map). Similarly Barcelona and Seoul, Munich and Montreal were put on the world map thanx to the SOG.

obviously, you're out of the "GONE WITH THE WIND" loop.  Whatever...