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I did not follow the 2012 race, and was wondering if Madrid's 2016 bid is technically stronger than it was in 2012.

Also, aside from there being less European competition what other factors make Madrid stronger or weaker this time around?

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Madrid bid the wrong way. Their bid is so technically good that they actually make it weaker with some of their decisions.

Focus on lobbying, use samaranch, use your major starts, Rafa, Torres etc.

Its all a bit too political, which is good for Obama, but not good when nobody knows who you are.

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Its just a shame Madrid didn't save up til 2020

Really Madrid should have looked to recent History where losing bid cities took a pause to came back to win after skipping the next bid cycle. Athens did it with their loss to Atlanta 1996 skipping the 2000 bid election. Beijing did the same losing 2000 , skipping 2004 and winning 2008.

The simple fact of Back to Back European Games in the age of Television never happening ever should have been enough for that pause.

To a Degree I think Beijing knew their chances for 2004 were indeed gone because of Sydney winning 2000 would not be followed by a Western Pacific region hosting in 2004. Even with the Huge attraction of the Worlds fastest expanding economy in the 2000's Beijing was not going to win 2004. If Manchester , Berlin or Istanbul had won 2000 then Beijing would have been wise to bid on 2004.

The Same would be for Madrid if New York City had won 2012. They would stand a great chance of winning 2016 depending on who else presented bids.

Madrid can be a future Olympic host no doubt but it isn't happening until 2020 or beyond. Technical strong bids have to have the right timing in regards to who is the prior host . London 2012 makes Madrid 2016 impossible. The IOC has about a 20 percent chance get an increase in US Tv Rights if Madrid was awarded but Chicago or Rio will insure a bigger TV rights package happens for 2016.

The Time zone thing is going to become a bigger factor as the Internet Streaming becomes more of a factor that bleeds income from the US rights Holder. Until you have a model that pays in that regard the hard core interested will be telling the people around the office watercooler of how the events went at 2 am in the morning or they will watch it online when it does the Tv networks no good.

Internet Streaming was a huge word of mouth promoter in 2008 but that was for a World hungry for images of China . Europe people in America know very very well. The event of staging the games in China was a must see thing in America and the World at large A European Summer Olmypics in 2016 Well that would be the third time for a 16 year old born in 2000 a or 3 out of 5 times if they were born just before Sydney 2000 being staged.

jim jones.

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Really Madrid should have looked to recent History where losing bid cities took a pause to came back to win after skipping the next bid cycle. Athens did it with their loss to Atlanta 1996 skipping the 2000 bid election. Beijing did the same losing 2000 , skipping 2004 and winning 2008.

Perhaps Madrid would have been wiser to skip bidding for the 2016 Games despite their excellent capabilities, however, I wouldn't place their chances of a future Games the same as Athens or Beijing. Athens was a huge sentmental favourite for the 1996 Olympics, as was Beijing who lost to Sydney by only a few votes. Both came back later with much improved bids and much goodwill within the IOC. In the 2012 campaign it was not Madrid but Paris that was seen as the favourite - they had an excellent bid and much support for giving the French their first Summer Games in nearly 90 years - although all three European bids were seen as technically excellent, it was London that won in the end by only a few votes and not Paris.

So long as the French NOC don't waste any goodwill inside the IOC by applying to host a Winter Games, Paris, with another strong bid, would have a greater chance than most other cities of winning the Olympics the next time they bid. Madrid is not in the same position at the moment - there hasn't been a huge amount of time since the last Spanish Games and the city was not considered a favourite for the 2012 Games at the time - so there won't be the same level of sympathy for a Madrid Games than there would be for a Parisian one.

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BTW, wasn't France trying to bid for the 2018 Winter Olympics? That's a bit strange because if they won, Paris wouldn't have many options for 2020 or 2024 (which I think they're more interested in because of the centenary of Paris 1924).

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Perhaps Madrid would have been wiser to skip bidding for the 2016 Games despite their excellent capabilities, however, I wouldn't place their chances of a future Games the same as Athens or Beijing. Athens was a huge sentmental favourite for the 1996 Olympics, as was Beijing who lost to Sydney by only a few votes. Both came back later with much improved bids and much goodwill within the IOC. In the 2012 campaign it was not Madrid but Paris that was seen as the favourite - they had an excellent bid and much support for giving the French their first Summer Games in nearly 90 years - although all three European bids were seen as technically excellent, it was London that won in the end by only a few votes and not Paris.

So long as the French NOC don't waste any goodwill inside the IOC by applying to host a Winter Games, Paris, with another strong bid, would have a greater chance than most other cities of winning the Olympics the next time they bid. Madrid is not in the same position at the moment - there hasn't been a huge amount of time since the last Spanish Games and the city was not considered a favourite for the 2012 Games at the time - so there won't be the same level of sympathy for a Madrid Games than there would be for a Parisian one.

I think Madrid is grasping its last straws while the old man Falangist is still alive. At least the father-and-son team can work this round.

JAS, Sr., might not be around for a 2020 round. That's the only reason I can think of Madrid pushing this quixotic bid.

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Perhaps Madrid would have been wiser to skip bidding for the 2016 Games despite their excellent capabilities, however, I wouldn't place their chances of a future Games the same as Athens or Beijing. Athens was a huge sentmental favourite for the 1996 Olympics, as was Beijing who lost to Sydney by only a few votes. Both came back later with much improved bids and much goodwill within the IOC. In the 2012 campaign it was not Madrid but Paris that was seen as the favourite - they had an excellent bid and much support for giving the French their first Summer Games in nearly 90 years - although all three European bids were seen as technically excellent, it was London that won in the end by only a few votes and not Paris.

So long as the French NOC don't waste any goodwill inside the IOC by applying to host a Winter Games, Paris, with another strong bid, would have a greater chance than most other cities of winning the Olympics the next time they bid. Madrid is not in the same position at the moment - there hasn't been a huge amount of time since the last Spanish Games and the city was not considered a favourite for the 2012 Games at the time - so there won't be the same level of sympathy for a Madrid Games than there would be for a Parisian one.

Actually STU your right about the sentiment and sympathy cards for Athens and Beijing you must agree thou taking the breaks probably did them good as well . Athens 96 thou they think the 100th year would be a birthright really ran up against the fact it would again be Europe for 1996 as it was for 1992. Back to Back are not happening. Even thou they finished Second to Atlanta if it was not Atlanta with a good game for campaigning it probably would have been Toronto thou a 20 year return to Canada seems unlikely . Canada would have great goodwill at that time I am sure for the success of Calgary 1988.

With Beijing well the pull is there with an emerging economy and the defeat two votes short. Beijing wisely I am sure thou Back to Back Asia-Pacific Games unlikely to happen . You look at Paris since 1992 and they have lost 3 times . Back to Back bids certainly didn't do Paris good for 2012.

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I think Madrid is grasping its last straws while the old man Falangist is still alive. At least the father-and-son team can work this round.

JAS, Sr., might not be around for a 2020 round. That's the only reason I can think of Madrid pushing this quixotic bid.

I don't know where they get their audacity from so soon after Barcelona. It's suspect and we all know why.

I'd like to see it go to Rio.

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Pretty clear now that Madrid's bid is weaken than 2012...

Yes pretty clear now! :lol:

Great research and great work of the doctors in all kinds of themes related to the olympic movements.

Thx to you all.

GREAT FACTS that push Madrid to a "weaker" bid. Excellent. ROFL :lol:

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Yes pretty clear now! :lol:

Great research and great work of the doctors in all kinds of themes related to the olympic movements.

Thx to you all.

GREAT FACTS that push Madrid to a "weaker" bid. Excellent. ROFL :lol:

"...the bid budget documentation lacked clarity and showed limited understanding of Olympic requirements"

Is that stronger than it was in 2012?

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"...the bid budget documentation lacked clarity and showed limited understanding of Olympic requirements"

Is that stronger than it was in 2012?

Serán mejor los pandilleros y la gentuza que habita las calles de Rio... :huh:

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Serán mejor los pandilleros y la gentuza que habita las calles de Rio... :huh:

Well, that's not what the IOC thinks....

BTW, they have aknowledge that Brazil is making great improvents in its social questions...

"gentuza"...

You see... prejudice, prejudice... prejudice...

When you guys from the "developed" world stop this? Isn't it enough?

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Well, that's not what the IOC thinks....

BTW, they have aknowledge that Brazil is making great improvents in its social questions...

"gentuza"...

You see... prejudice, prejudice... prejudice...

When you guys from the "developed" world stop this? Isn't it enough?

No-ones prejudice. Stop using that word to attack people unfairly.

Are you prejudice against Madrid since you support Rios' bid first!

Stating facts is not prejudice - no-one is pre judging anything if they are stating unequivocal facts! Do you not comprehend that mate!! Go and learn what the word means before using it to slur people!!!

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