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YEAR - CITY ....... DIFFERRENT WAYS OF LIFE AND CULTURE SIMILARITY

1956 - Melbourne - BRITISH LEGACY CULTURE

1960 Rome ----- LATIN culture

1964 - Tokyo ------ Asian Culture

1968 - Mexico City -- Latin Culture

1972 - Munich ------- central european culture

1976 - Montreal ----- BRITISH LEGACY CULTURE

1980 - Moscow ------- cold war culture?

1984 - Los Angeles --- BRITISH LEGACY CULTURE

1988 - Seoul --------- -Asian culture

1992 Barcelona ------- Latin culture

1996 - Atlanta -------- BRITISH LEGACY CULTURE

2000 - Sydney ------- BRITISH LEGACY CULTURE

2004 - Athens -------- Greek-Osmanian culture

2008 - Beijing ------- Asian culture

2012 - London --------BRITISH LEGACY CULTURE

CHICAGO ----- 4th time BRITISH LEGACY CULTURE??????? No thanks. Lets chance the music a little now please. ;)

Well you know.. the word Latin can mean all and nothing.

..putting latino-america and romance speaking Europe in the same box sounds more like an excuse.

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talkin bout south africa, confederations cup is coming soon this yr then world cup, and they are running late, it happens but nto this late and Im not impressed with the venues and stadiums at all.. :( but u kno havign africa hosting it is a big acomplishment for them, but i dont see south africa hosting SOG any soon ..

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talkin bout south africa, confederations cup is coming soon this yr then world cup, and they are running late, it happens but nto this late and Im not impressed with the venues and stadiums at all.. :( but u kno havign africa hosting it is a big acomplishment for them, but i dont see south africa hosting SOG any soon ..

I don't know about India, I guess they could host. Their economy has surely grown, and they will surpass China in population, but they have never put a bid in before (that's why I listed them as unlikely), and I expect some tough competition from other Asian cities in China and Japan (if Tokyo is not selected this time around).

What city do you expect to see India put forth for a SOG bid?

This is the order in which I think the new frontiers will be::

Brazil (expect to host)

South Africa (expect to host)

India (maybe)

Turkey (maybe)

Argentina (maybe)

Indonesia (very unlikely)

Saudi Arabia (very unlikely)

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talkin bout south africa, confederations cup is coming soon this yr then world cup, and they are running late, it happens but nto this late and Im not impressed with the venues and stadiums at all.. :( but u kno havign africa hosting it is a big acomplishment for them, but i dont see south africa hosting SOG any soon ..

Huh?... South Africa turned its preparations around and everything has been looking good for next year's World Cup for awhile now. If all does go well next year, South Africa is shaping up to be a strong contender for 2020 and beyond.

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I don't know about India, I guess they could host. Their economy has surely grown, and they will surpass China in population, but they have never put a bid in before (that's why I listed them as unlikely), and I expect some tough competition from other Asian cities in China and Japan (if Tokyo is not selected this time around).

What city do you expect to see India put forth for a SOG bid?

This is the order in which I think the new frontiers will be::

Brazil (expect to host)

South Africa (expect to host)

India (maybe)

Turkey (maybe)

Argentina (maybe)

Indonesia (very unlikely)

Saudi Arabia (very unlikely)

Rio and Cape Town make the 2020 race interesting, depending on how 2016 goes. We'll just have to wait and see after October.

As to the maybes, correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't Istanbul gotten short-listed a couple of times? Truth is, I think the only reason Turkey hasn't been taken more seriously is not geopolitical, but environmentally. The last couple of years have had some pretty devastating earthquakes in the region, which probably takes interest off spending money on sporting venues for an Olympic bid. Depends on if things settle down or not.

India is really hard to say. I thought New Delhi had floated the idea of hosting a few times, but never got beyond the blue sky phase. Bottom line is the economic times don't seem to look promising for India, based on how much infrastructure they'd need to build to host the Games.

Most intriguing to me is Buenos Aries in Argentina. As strong as Brazil and Rio have done recently, I'm frankly a bit surprised Argentina hasn't kept up. I'd need to know more info about their bid attempts and what is going on both economically and infrastructure in Argentina to bid.

As to the unlikely ones, Saudi Arabia is the longest of the two. Between having a difficult time hosting the SOG during the time of year the IOC seems to like and quite frankly, a strong dislike for women's rights, no amount of money or prepardness for the Games is going to help. Frankly, Beijing only got it because a.) they lied through their teeth and b.) JAS decided they would get the Games as his parting gift.

Indonesia is interesting since I think the problem is once again infrastructure. They'd have to build a lot of materials to host the Games, but it's a VERY small nation to be hosting a SOG. Depends on how practical a bid is, I suppose.

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The problem with a Buenos Aires bid is not in the city, but in the country. Argentina is not a trustable country nowadays, the government is even faking their inflation numbers...their economy also have some severe weak points , they are still in debt with many organizations around the world . It will take them a long time to recover its image to the financial world so even if they bid they'll fail . I don't see them hosting previous to 2040 at minimum.

Saying that, I feel that Buenos Aires is a great venue for the Games in the future. Been there and can tell you that its an incredible vibrant city with beautiful people and amazing nightlife , putting into shame some of its neighboring south american cities in this aspect, including my native Sao Paulo.

Only if they stopped voting in those populist peronistas...

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Yes, Turkey has been short listed, but it did not do too well in the voting rounds. Istanbul was short listed for 2008, and was eliminated in the second round. It did not make the cut for 2012 as Rio was cut too. Cape Town beat Buenos Aires in a head-to-head, and went three rounds, but eventually lost to Rome and Athens.

With 230 million people, Indonesia has the fourth largest population in the world. It is not a small country compared to Greece, Spain, Australia, Canada and the UK.

I agree that Argentina is a long way from hosting a Games. Brazil will no doubt be the first S. American country to host an Olympics, either Rio or Sao Paulo, although I don't know much about their capabilities of hosting even though some Brazilians I talk to here in Chicago have indicated their love for Sao Paulo.

India has not bid, but I think it would be fascinating if they hosted, but a lot would need to be done.

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With 230 million people, Indonesia has the fourth largest population in the world. It is not a small country compared to Greece, Spain, Australia, Canada and the UK.

And once again, I look like an idiot. Anyway, correct me if I am wrong, but are there not some issues with Indonesia's government also that might exclude them from getting a SOG? I recall them being booed in Sydney, but that may have had to do with the sitiuation with East Timor at the time.

Bottom line is, save for Brazil, there's really not a viable country in South America for a SOG.

Africa you at least have options in South Africa, maybe Egypt, depending on economy and time of staging the Games. I'd be interested to see a Games in Turkey, but who knows?

Asia? Japan or South Korea maybe for the Far East. Anywhere else east of the Urals would need a lot of help.

Bottom line, except for Cape Town and Rio and occasional hosting by Japan or Korea, the SOGs are probably going to stay in rotation between Europe, Oceania and North America for the time being.

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And once again, I look like an idiot. Anyway, correct me if I am wrong, but are there not some issues with Indonesia's government also that might exclude them from getting a SOG? I recall them being booed in Sydney, but that may have had to do with the sitiuation with East Timor at the time.

Bottom line is, save for Brazil, there's really not a viable country in South America for a SOG.

Africa you at least have options in South Africa, maybe Egypt, depending on economy and time of staging the Games. I'd be interested to see a Games in Turkey, but who knows?

Asia? Japan or South Korea maybe for the Far East. Anywhere else east of the Urals would need a lot of help.

Bottom line, except for Cape Town and Rio and occasional hosting by Japan or Korea, the SOGs are probably going to stay in rotation between Europe, Oceania and North America for the time being.

Indonesia no doubt has the resources to host a games. However, it is plagued by rapid corruption within the goverment and infrastructure issues. Not to mention the very high terrorist threat.

Although, I feel that are quite a few cities capable of hosting in Asia. Shanghai, Bangkok, Kuala Lumpur, Hong Kong even Singapore can host in the near future.

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Yes, I was in Madrid in July 1992, before proceeding to Sevilla and Barcelona. So I well know what I experienced.

good for you. i was in madrid the entire summer of 2006 and I was just fine. I don't even remember the heat being a factor. Just accept that you brought up a stupid argument of Madrid being more of a temperature concern than a tropical city, Rio.

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good for you. i was in madrid the entire summer of 2006 and I was just fine. I don't even remember the heat being a factor. Just accept that you brought up a stupid argument of Madrid being more of a temperature concern than a tropical city, Rio.

CRETINO!! Maybe it was good enough for you. But not for me and my colleagues at the IOC. :angry:

Will let you know when I need you to speak for me. Otherwise, just ZIP IT!!

Entiendes?

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i think IOC will break its tradition in 2020 and choose a city where never host olympics in that region. Cape town Rio and Istanbul have good chances.

but being in Africa and after world cup 2010 ( if there will no problems ) Cape town , and after Turkey enters EU before 2020 which is strongly possible and as a representer of worlds 5/1 population as muslims has more chance than Rio

the infrastucturel boom, being in the heart of 3 major continents, the western worlds islamphobia, a better economy than many countries ( right now Istanbul's GDP is 200 billion dollars) being in northern hemisphere, culturel heritage , historical importance and past .... i think Istanbul will be a very strong bid for 2020 ...

the problem is really no one knows Istanbul and we are not so good in person to person relations like Athens did for 2004...

but the truth is

im very very very bored about only choosing cities of D8 countries or Anglo Saxson ones....

China shows that developing ones can do it even better than the worlds biggest economies.... and they really show many people very different way of li,fes culture....

olympics must be held in different coutries and cultures. they are not belong only to western world and rich countries....

thats my opinion

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Not to nit pick at your post emre, but....

China, Greece, Australia, Spain and South Korea have all hosted a SOG in the last 20 years and they are not in the G8 (even though China should be).

No offense, but I think South Africa or Brazil will host before Turkey even though everyone I talk to that has been to Istanbul says it is an amazing city.

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Not to nit pick at your post emre, but....

China, Greece, Australia, Spain and South Korea have all hosted a SOG in the last 20 years and they are not in the G8 (even though China should be).

No offense, but I think South Africa or Brazil will host before Turkey even though everyone I talk to that has been to Istanbul says it is an amazing city.

i mean developed countries

spain and greece are the memebers of EU :D

south korea is considered as a developed country also australia too

rich countries we can say...or advanced economies

china is a first about it...

and in 68 mexico is one of the leading countries in world like argentina in ww2 ( economically )

in 60 s mexico after finding new oil fields in the country become the 4 th largest exporter in the world and the welfare of the economy doubles in that time...

and before 1984 olypics is not so big and money maker organisation and there for no war between cities to be host of this event... now i dont count but nearly 10 cities ( and these are the most important ones in world and region) wants to be candidate for 2016 ....

thats what i mean....

new horizons new lands new cultures to unite the world....

no more english and western cultures please :)

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well, 2008 was Beijing

2014 will be Sochi (Russian)

OK, 2010 and 2012 will be English cultures so in a matter of 6 years: two Anglo-Saxon and 2 others is a fair distribution.

...and 2006 was Italian, and 2004 was Greek, 2002 and 2000 were English (half and half again).

emre I can have empathy toward your views, but economically developed countries need to generally host these large events, otherwise we would have Athens every other year and that is not good for the countries or the Olympic movement.

Will I feel cheated if Rio gets selected? No, but I will be disappointed. Istanbul would be amazing, but in due time my friend.

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thats what i mean....

new horizons new lands new cultures to unite the world....

no more english and western cultures please :)

I consider Turkey to be a western culture .... why else would so many in Europe want Turkey in the EU. Being a mainly Muslim country does not make Turkey any less European, or any less likely to be awarded the Olympics.

The UK has had to wait over 60 years to host an Olympics again - I don't think it's unreasonable that it should host again in 2012 - I'm sure everyone here is too young to remember the last London Games. I do, however, think that it's far too early to award the Games to the US again .... many here will have fresh memories of two Summer Games held there (I also believe it's far too early for Spain).

I want to see new countries and cultures awarded the Games too - that's why I support Rio for 2016.

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I consider Turkey to be a western culture .... why else would so many in Europe want Turkey in the EU. Being a mainly Muslim country does not make Turkey any less European, or any less likely to be awarded the Olympics.

The UK has had to wait over 60 years to host an Olympics again - I don't think it's unreasonable that it should host again in 2012 - I'm sure everyone here is too young to remember the last London Games. I do, however, think that it's far too early to award the Games to the US again .... many here will have fresh memories of two Summer Games held there (I also believe it's far too early for Spain).

I want to see new countries and cultures awarded the Games too - that's why I support Rio for 2016.

To be honest, I would probably feel the same way if Chicago was not bidding (even though the size of the U.S., and the fact that it was technically elected only once for a SOG, leads me to believe that its not unreasonable for us to host again - in the end it's a city's games).

I do have reservations about Rio hosting...

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well i think some countries and cities live olympic philosophy in their bloods... and rio istanbul and cape town is one ofthem...

really want to see olympics in jerusalem in india also cairo and bagdat in future.. ( probably i wont see them :) )

and another question for u all....

any one visit turkey and istanbul in near time????

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im very very very bored about only choosing cities of D8 countries or Anglo Saxson ones....

China shows that developing ones can do it even better than the worlds biggest economies

By "even better" are you including the meagre wages and terrible health and safety standards Chinese workers had to endure building the Bird's Nest, or the diversion of water supplies from outlying villages to the Olympic park, or the blockade on Western news sources, or the arrest and detention of those questioning the Olympics in their city, or the questionable ages of certain Chinese athletes, or the pumping of chemicals into the sky to try to prevent rain during the Games?

China did it "better" because they play by rules which no democratic country in the world could get away with! China showed what we all knew it would show; the biggest games, the flashiest venues, the most disciplined athletes, a public on-message and (over) enthusiastic, the biggest ceremonies...in short a fantastic spectacle. But to use all this as a stick to beat our Western (or Anglo) Games is deeply unfair and ignores how China acheived all this.

There's no question China did have "better" venues than most Western hosts and flashier ceremonies, but did the means really justify the end? Are their Games really the model which other hosts should try to emulate? For me, the answer to that question is an emphatic NO. The socialist/regenerative model that Europe tends towards and the privatately run games that the US excels at are both better for all-sorts of reasons in my opinion. The Games that result may not be as BIG and SPECTACULAR as those we've witnessed in Beijing, but I'd rather come out of an Olympics without feeling slightly guilty that I've enjoyed it knowing what I know about how it was created.

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I consider Turkey to be a western culture .... why else would so many in Europe want Turkey in the EU. Being a mainly Muslim country does not make Turkey any less European, or any less likely to be awarded the Olympics.

It seems that opinion on this is very divided.Take,for instance,Goethe's reply to me a few weeks ago:

"Another advantage of the Lisbon Treaty is the reducing number of topics, where one nation can use a veto and block the others. I want further integration, Milliband wants further enlargement including Turkey. We are standing at a crossroad and you want in a different direction. We have to agree, that we disagree and i think it can only be solved, when one member leaves the club. So, what do you think? Which proposal would get more support? Yours or ours?"

http://www.gamesbids.com/forums/index.php?...amp;qpid=207097

I want to see new countries and cultures awarded the Games too - that's why I support Rio for 2016.

That's my feeling too and I suspect that,come October 2,it will be the feeling of a majority of IOC members! :)

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