LA84 Posted January 22, 2006 Report Share Posted January 22, 2006 Which is why I keep saying - if Mexico comes up with a decent bid they would get it because it not only gurantees the North American money coming in but a Spanish style games to boot. A nice alternative to the U.S. and Canada for the IOC. If the Games do ever come back to Mexico, which city would you choose to host one: Mexico City again or another one? Monterrey or Guadalahara. Mexico City will never happen again, at least in my lifetime. There was so much controversy in '68 over the altitude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThrillosAG Posted January 26, 2006 Report Share Posted January 26, 2006 I haven't been here in a long time, but I have been keeping up with the 2016 stuff and I have a few articles that show that Philadelphia will be throwing its hat into the American 2016 race. It looks like Philadelphia will be throwing its hat into the 2016 race as the Philadelphia 2016 Working Group appears to be gaining support amongst Philadelphia business leaders, the people of the area, and the press. I found a couple articles from the January 2006 issue of Philadelphia Magazine (a local area publication). One was an interview with the CEO of Wachovia Bank PA & DE/and Head of the Philadelphia 2016 Finance Committee Hugh Long; the other was just an editorial by the magazine giving support for a bid. Q&A w/Hugh Long Why Philadelphia Needs the Olympics - Editorial Enjoy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guardian Posted January 26, 2006 Report Share Posted January 26, 2006 ThrillosAG, it is been a long time since you have posted in these forums. Anyway, I don't really know about Philly's chances of getting the national nod for a bid. I know it is a broken record phenomenon, but it seems that the likes of NYC and others will overtake it, unless Philly does something unbelievable to their potential bid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nykfan845 Posted January 26, 2006 Report Share Posted January 26, 2006 ThrillosAG, it is been a long time since you have posted in these forums. Anyway, I don't really know about Philly's chances of getting the national nod for a bid. I know it is a broken record phenomenon, but it seems that the likes of NYC and others will overtake it, unless Philly does something unbelievable to their potential bid. Yeah, I've asked many GamesBidders about Philadelphia's international prestige, and from them it really doesn't have that much. They mostly associate Philadephia with Rocky, and wouldn't recognize the city if they were inside it themselves. And to me, Philadelphia doesn't seem like an Olympic city to me. I don't know exactly why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted January 26, 2006 Report Share Posted January 26, 2006 I think that's true, I don't know very much about Philadelpia at all. There is Rocky on the steps of a public building to the tune of "Eye of the Tiger", I also know both Live Aid and Live 8 were staged there and, is there a broken bell - something to do with the Civil War or Independence? Though I think that Chicago is a better choice, I'm sure the average person wouldn't know much about that either, maybe 1920/30's organised crime and the home of Oprah Winfrey and the skyscraper. I think only New York and Washington DC have the variety of instantly recognisable landmarks to the rest of the world - I think San Francisco and Los Angeles have only a limited number each. Maybe the need for this is being overplayed - as no cities can compete with London, Paris, New York, Rome - does any one know many famous structures in Seoul or Atlanta? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted January 26, 2006 Report Share Posted January 26, 2006 (Sorry had to go and do something in the middle of my post). Maybe it's the style and culture of a city that's more important to television executives than individual buildings, Seoul would certainly have come as a change of style or theme as the Olympics hadn't been back to Asia for decades - but then does Philadelphia even have enough style and culture? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted January 26, 2006 Report Share Posted January 26, 2006 does any one know many famous structures in...Atlanta? Here's one of many ... Maybe it's the style and culture of a city that's more important to television executives than individual buildings, Seoul would certainly have come as a change of style or theme as the Olympics hadn't been back to Asia for decades - but then does Philadelphia even have enough style and culture? Philadelphia has always taken a back seat to New York and Boston, in terms of Eastern Seaboard social hierarchy. But there is such a thing as the Philadelphia Main Line, which is the cream of Philadelphia society. After New Yorkers, I think the second group of prominent passengers that rode and perished (or survived) on the Titanic, were Philadelphians - the Wideners, the Thayers. I love the Philadelphia Museum of Fine Arts. and the world-famous Barnes Collection (the largest collection of French Impressionist paintings in private hands - after the state collections in France, the Hermitage, and the NY museums) calls Philly its home. If Atlanta can host; Philadelphia can certainly be a great American host city as well. Lots more history than Atlanta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThrillosAG Posted January 26, 2006 Report Share Posted January 26, 2006 Wow, I didn't think a lot of people would respond back but I'll try to answer everyone's questions/misconceptions of Philadelphia. Alot of what Baron has said is true. When you think of cities in the Northeast, you think of NYC, Boston, Washington, not Philadelphia. That being said this worldwide view has given many Philadelphians, both in the city and in the immediate area (PA & NJ suburbs) an inferiority complex. This can be best shown through the sporting events that Philadelphians follow (ie. Eagles fans). First I'll answer the Does Philly have enough culture question... I'd would say yes. Philly is the birthplace of the nation, the home of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. Independence Hall is still standing to this day its it's immaculate splendor and just a few feet away is the newly built Consitution Center and of course, the Liberty Bell. The National Mint is located here and the first Federal Reserve Bank is in Philadelphia. The Philadelphia Museum of Art (the place where Rocky ran up the steps) is and has one of the largest collections of art in the nation. The Kimmel Center and the Theater District (Walnut St.) have hosted world famous plays and orchestras from allover the world. But in all honesty, were talking about the Olympics, a sporting event. IMO, art & culture while an important part of a city, take a back seat to the actual sporting events themselves. Now as for Philadelphia actually being able to host the Olympics. Does it have the infrasture available to host an event of this size? ...Absolutely So! Consider this piece of information. Compared to the 5 bidding cities for 2012 and Athens 2004; Philadelphia has more Olympic "ready" venues than any of the 5 bidding cities and Athens. And when you think of the increasing cost of the Olympics, and the IOC's insistence that a city should have some venues already made, Philadelphia takes the cake. And compared to NYC's bid, Philadelphia would have more compact bid. Also, Philadelphia can boast having the best sports complex in the United States today, with plenty (and I do mean plenty) of space available for temporary/permanent Olympic Venues. Once can also include the 4 college campuses that are in Philadelphia that would allow for use of their venues and dormitories during the time of the games. The University of Pennsylvania would be a good example as they host the Penn Relays every year and that includes the best sprinters, runners, and field participants. I have to stop here, but if anyone still has any questions about Philadelphia, I'd be glad to answer them. I think I might post pictures of possible venues that could be included in a Philly 2012 bid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted January 26, 2006 Report Share Posted January 26, 2006 Hey, Thrillos! Long time no hear. WHere've you been? Funny, this thing a.m. just before this thread picked up, I was thinking -- we haven't heard from Thrillos in a while. And then this thread slants Philly-way; and then you show up. How's that for serendipity? Glad to have you back. P.S. BTW, culture is a very important component in a city's Olympic worthiness. Somehow, the IOC likes to link its sweaty muscle-fest with a lot of high-falutin' culture-stuff. I never did ask gran-grandpere, but I guess it must have to do with entertaining the IOC wives. I mean it's bad enough they get dragged to all that jock-stuff; the least a prospective host city can do is entertain them in style -- so the need for a high culture quotient. Culture or Department Stores. Barcelona had an excellent EL Corte Ingles and Atlanta had Buckhead. Also, that's why they like to precede the sweaty stuff with a Cultural Olympiad. So I think Philly will rank very high in this department. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThrillosAG Posted January 26, 2006 Report Share Posted January 26, 2006 After my little "faux pas" in the 2008 Presidential Election topic last year I decided that I should step away from posting in message boards altogether, with the intention of coming back a month later. But things happen like college and this internship I have at Comcast and other things, and I just didn't have any time for message board participation. But since I read the articles I posted a few post back, and the fact that Torino is 2 weeks away, I decided to come back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThrillosAG Posted January 26, 2006 Report Share Posted January 26, 2006 This is a good site for people that want to look at the museums, arts, and culture in Philadelphia. Philadelphia CultureFiles - goPhila.com I just wanted to mention that Philadelphia is primarily known as a "sports town." Sports play a predominant role in culture of Philadelphia, and that overshadows the rest of what the city has to offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThrillosAG Posted January 26, 2006 Report Share Posted January 26, 2006 Ahh, im sorry if I misunderstood. I was just trying to answer as many questions that I could think of off the top of my head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LA84 Posted January 28, 2006 Report Share Posted January 28, 2006 Thrillos, it's good to have you back. Have missed reading your posts. Philly is definitely capable of hosting an Olympics. It's a fun place and full of historical and cultural establishments. I've been there several times and always enjoyed myself. But I am like nykfan - it just doesn't feel like an Olympic candidate to me personally and I too do not know why. But one thing for sure, if Philly did score the games it would have the same effect as they did on Atlanta and bring them out of the shadow of Boston and New York. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThrillosAG Posted January 28, 2006 Report Share Posted January 28, 2006 I guess one can chalk up Philadelphia's unknown factor to the fact that its surrounded by 3 world class cities. I wouldn't know the feeling being that I've lived in this area my entire life. So in a way, I have that sense that I know everything about Philly and what it is capable of. ...but that's why the USOC and the IOC do bids the way they do. So that they can educate themselves on cities that they don't know all too much about. I'll say this, it will be an interesting 2006 for the USOC in terms of selecting a city. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fineshot2000 Posted February 28, 2006 Report Share Posted February 28, 2006 Chicago's planned bid got a boost in January when South Bend, Gary and Milwaukee civic leaders agreed to house any venues, if needed, for the Chicago games, making it a Tri-state effort, where all would benefit. South Bend would host soccer games and Lake Geneva in Wisconsin the possible rowing, canoe venue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatles Posted February 28, 2006 Report Share Posted February 28, 2006 Chicago's planned bid got a boost in January when South Bend, Gary and Milwaukee civic leaders agreed to house any venues, if needed, for the Chicago games, making it a Tri-state effort, where all would benefit. South Bend would host soccer games and Lake Geneva in Wisconsin the possible rowing, canoe venue. Why have venues so far away? Its like NYC having events in Philly, and Baltimore? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LA84 Posted February 28, 2006 Report Share Posted February 28, 2006 Chicago's planned bid got a boost in January when South Bend, Gary and Milwaukee civic leaders agreed to house any venues, if needed, for the Chicago games, making it a Tri-state effort, where all would benefit. South Bend would host soccer games and Lake Geneva in Wisconsin the possible rowing, canoe venue. Why have venues so far away? Its like NYC having events in Philly, and Baltimore? It's pretty common to have some venues spread out, especially the soccer tournaments. Besides, now that Bejing is going to hold equestrian in another country it's all the rage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted February 28, 2006 Report Share Posted February 28, 2006 It's pretty common to have some venues spread out, especially the soccer tournaments. Besides, now that Bejing is going to hold equestrian in another country it's all the rage Just a thought, if London 2012 were to hold its equestrian events at the same distance away that Beijing and Hong Kong are then the horses would be on their way to somewhere near St Petersburg, Russia. That is still better than the 15,604km that Melbourne is from Stockholm! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChicagoFan90 Posted February 28, 2006 Report Share Posted February 28, 2006 Well for Chicago, soccer could be held in Madison,Green Bay,South Bend,Detroit, and Champaign. With rowing and canoe in Lake Geneva With NYC, soccer would probably be held in Boston,Providence,Harford, and New Jersey or Philly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChicagoFan90 Posted February 28, 2006 Report Share Posted February 28, 2006 Well for Chicago, soccer could be held in Madison,Green Bay,South Bend,Detroit, and Champaign. With rowing and canoe in Lake Geneva With NYC, soccer would probably be held in Boston,Providence,Harford, and New Jersey or Philly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted February 28, 2006 Report Share Posted February 28, 2006 Well for Chicago, soccer could be held in Madison,Green Bay,South Bend,Detroit, and Champaign.With rowing and canoe in Lake Geneva With NYC, soccer would probably be held in Boston,Providence,Harford, and New Jersey or Philly For a US Games, it seems to be traditional to hold one of the soccer venues in DC -- as they did for LA, Atlanta (and World CUp '94). After all, with the diplomatic missions of nearly 190 nations and orgs, DC has that large international presence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChicagoFan90 Posted February 28, 2006 Report Share Posted February 28, 2006 Wait, I thought LA84 had their soccer venues in Pasadena,Palo Alto,Boston, and Baltimore Not D.C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAP Posted March 1, 2006 Report Share Posted March 1, 2006 Well for Chicago, soccer could be held in Madison,Green Bay,South Bend,Detroit, and Champaign.With rowing and canoe in Lake Geneva With NYC, soccer would probably be held in Boston,Providence,Harford, and New Jersey or Philly Soccer would be held in the Meadowlands complex across the Hudson, just 15min from Manhatten; no plans whatsoever to hold them in another city. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lpatron Posted March 1, 2006 Report Share Posted March 1, 2006 Correct me if I'm wrong (which I could be as I'm going off old data) but didn't the NYC 2012 bid have Giants Stadium, Rutgers Stadium, Michie Stadium, and the Yale Bowl for the soccer venues? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lpatron Posted March 1, 2006 Report Share Posted March 1, 2006 Correct me if I'm wrong (which I could be as I'm going off old data) but didn't the NYC 2012 bid have Giants Stadium, Rutgers Stadium, Michie Stadium, and the Yale Bowl for the soccer venues? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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