Kenadian Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 I suggest more props than projections. Living and human interpretations of the landscape, not just a slide show of pictures. I'm of the mind that you don't need gigantic budgets to make lasting memories...as long as you have a good concept and creative ideas. Albertville was a highly creative and unique ceremony, but it certainly didn't have the money that Athens or Beijing spent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 Albertville was a highly creative and unique ceremony, but it certainly didn't have the money that Athens or Beijing spent. But Albertville was soooooooooo bizarre. I mean it said more Hieronymous Bosch or Cirque du Soleil than the Savoie region of France. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr.x Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 I suggest more props than projections. Living and human interpretations of the landscape, not just a slide show of pictures.I'm of the mind that you don't need gigantic budgets to make lasting memories...as long as you have a good concept and creative ideas. Albertville was a highly creative and unique ceremony, but it certainly didn't have the money that Athens or Beijing spent. Agreed, especially with the bolded....I'm sure you remember Imagine 2010, imo it was a puke fest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cormiermax Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 I really hope they don't do the hole Bollywood all cultures individually thing because that really docent represent Canada. They should beam images of parts of Canada on the roof and show what we have naturally. I think for the cauldron they should set BC place to make it a giant range oven, That would be pretty cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord David Posted February 26, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 I really hope they don't do the hole Bollywood all cultures individually thing because that really docent represent Canada. They should beam images of parts of Canada on the roof and show what we have naturally. I think for the cauldron they should set BC place to make it a giant range oven, That would be pretty cool. The whole multicultural aspect should be done like Calgary did in 1988. Perhaps have a representative (or couple), of each nation competing that is a Vancouver resident, join in a small multicultural segment of the Opening Ceremony. Yes, there's no need for big Bollywood or Chinese Operatic or stuff like that numbers, but a small segment which the multiculturalism of Canada is represented, would suffice. Perhaps such representatives of each nation could be the ones carrying the nation's sign when marching with that nation in the stadium (In uniform of course)? It's a shame, they should have truly researched the roof problem during the bid. They could have easily (provided they had the money of course), had replaced the old roof with a semi-temporary transparent roof, perhaps made of Plexiglas or something similar. Then using innovative modern technology, cause the transparent roof to become "opaque", by utilizing a sophisticated electronics system to mask the inside of the roof a nice dull gray (think of Melbourne's Eureka Skydeck's Edge for an example). This way they can project imagery on the roof with the lights dimmed, then when the appropriate moment comes, the roof would loose the gray electronic mask and show the stars at night and the outside of the stadium. The lighter could light the "cauldron" inside the stadium, which is "connected" with a cauldron outside, that when ignited will be able to be seen by those inside the stadium. There's the potential, should the technology be advanced enough, to have simulated "fireworks" on the roof, but of course, this would be at the cheap expense of those outside the stadium watching on screen. Just a thought, but of course a little too late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkiFreak Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 I was hoping that BNL was going to be apart of the ceremonies, but now that Steve Page has left the group... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr.x Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 It's a shame, they should have truly researched the roof problem during the bid. They could have easily (provided they had the money of course), had replaced the old roof with a semi-temporary transparent roof, perhaps made of Plexiglas or something similar. Then using innovative modern technology, cause the transparent roof to become "opaque", by utilizing a sophisticated electronics system to mask the inside of the roof a nice dull gray (think of Melbourne's Eureka Skydeck's Edge for an example).This way they can project imagery on the roof with the lights dimmed, then when the appropriate moment comes, the roof would loose the gray electronic mask and show the stars at night and the outside of the stadium. The lighter could light the "cauldron" inside the stadium, which is "connected" with a cauldron outside, that when ignited will be able to be seen by those inside the stadium. There's the potential, should the technology be advanced enough, to have simulated "fireworks" on the roof, but of course, this would be at the cheap expense of those outside the stadium watching on screen. Just a thought, but of course a little too late. ^ or better yet, have this done by 2010 rather than 2011: Really though, it took a human induced accidental roof deflation for them to realize that more had to be done with the stadium. But that was early 2006. By then, it was too late considering all the government red tape to get government projects into the construction phase. Had the accident had happened in 2004, BC Place would be looking like this this year: View from Olympic Village They had completely ignored the importance of BC Place as the Olympic Stadium. Had the roof deflation not occured, there would have been $3-million in minor cosmetic renovations rather than $125-million in interior and exterior renovations (with a $250-million roof to follow in 2011). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenadian Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 There's always a protocol part where tribute is paid to the Olympic rings. Maybe that's where you get your multicultural moment? A metaphor of all the world coming together in Canada to share the Olympic ideals of peace, harmony, and sport. What I always thought would be cool idea is some sort of mass masked dance where everyone is dressed the same, but at the end everyone pulls off their masks and we see an array of faces from every race, colour, and creed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr.x Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 There's always a protocol part where tribute is paid to the Olympic rings. Maybe that's where you get your multicultural moment? A metaphor of all the world coming together in Canada to share the Olympic ideals of peace, harmony, and sport.What I always thought would be cool idea is some sort of mass masked dance where everyone is dressed the same, but at the end everyone pulls off their masks and we see an array of faces from every race, colour, and creed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob2012 Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 Indeed, and that film had quite a fireworks display at the end of it from what I can remeber! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr.x Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 Indeed, and that film had quite a fireworks display at the end of it from what I can remeber! I think it's better suited for London 2012....the Old Bailey and Parliament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenadian Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 It is a shame that they didn't have the foresight to correct the stadium in time for its biggest show ever. It would be a much more attractive offer than what is currently there. But...we have to live with it and just enjoy the moment for what it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr.x Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 It is a shame that they didn't have the foresight to correct the stadium in time for its biggest show ever. It would be a much more attractive offer than what is currently there. But...we have to live with it and just enjoy the moment for what it is. But you have to wonder, what the hell were they thinking? It was quite obvious way back even in the early days of the Olympic bid that the stadium would need a major fix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenadian Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 (edited) But remember the Olympic bid had opposition and there were others that would only support it if it didn't require massive cost overruns and expenditures. Floating the idea of a new stadium for ceremonies would have been viewed as excessive and cost them support. Also, remember that the Bid Corp and VANOC do not own BC Place. Their partners in government do, but government isn't going to risk too much that would cost them an election. So it doesn't boil down to bad planning. I blame it on politics and the delicate balance needed to strike the Vancouver bid. I also think that the Bid Corp undercut the costs of certain things...security, ceremonies and the stadium...to make the bid more favorable to the public. Edited February 26, 2009 by Kendegra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr.x Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 But remember the Olympic bid had opposition and there were others that would only support it if it didn't require massive cost overruns and expenditures. Floating the idea of a new stadium for ceremonies would have been viewed as excessive and cost them support. Also, remember that the Bid Corp and VANOC do not own BC Place. Their partners in government do, but government isn't going to risk too much that would cost them an election. So it doesn't boil down to bad planning. I blame it on politics and the delicate balance needed to strike the Vancouver bid.I also think that the Bid Corp undercut the costs of certain things...security, ceremonies and the stadium...to make the bid more favorable to the public. The bid corp did undercut a lot of costs and it was quite obvious even back then....$175-million for security; $24-million for opening/closing AND nightly medal ceremonies. If only the roof deflation had happened in 2004/2005....or if Campbell went swinging in with plans for stadium renovations right after his re-election in 2005....or VANOC should've done something and realized more work was needed c2005. All we would have needed is one extra year to make everything happen, just one extra year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenadian Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 Well, we don't know what discussions were held in back rooms. Remember, that nearly all of VANOC's communications have been glowing and positive. Even when they have to deliver bad news, they sugar coat it as positive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cormiermax Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 Is it possible to just remove the roof and expose the stadium for the games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr.x Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 Is it possible to just remove the roof and expose the stadium for the games? I would think it's possible, since the stadium probably needs to be weather-proofed for the retractable roof anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YellowVest Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 How much input / influence does NBC have on the show content? Recall NBC is the 2010's biggest broadcast partner in terms of audience and they forked over $ 850 million for the TV rights. Would NBC not have some say with Atkins on show content? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenadian Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 I think completely possible. But they marketed these ceremonies as "indoor" and there is the risk of Vancouver's infamous winter rains. Although, this year we've seen more sun than usual (and a bit of snow as evidenced last night). We'll just have to see what they have planned, but BC Place's website has a video with a short clip of what the stadium looked like before the roof was added. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenadian Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 NBC is likely giving their advice and input. But the content will mostly be agreed upon by VANOC partners and officials and the creative team. These things are collaborative in nature and not just the brain child of one person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cormiermax Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 I just took a look at that video and it seems that that would work really well, I wonder if there thinking about doing that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted February 27, 2009 Report Share Posted February 27, 2009 NBC is likely giving their advice and input. But the content will mostly be agreed upon by VANOC partners and officials and the creative team. These things are collaborative in nature and not just the brain child of one person. And the IOC Executive Board is the final vetter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobase2010 Posted February 27, 2009 Report Share Posted February 27, 2009 A short clip of the "Spirit Lodge" from Vancouver Expo 86. Apparently they change the name to "Mystery Lodge" when the show was move to Knotts Berry Farm in the State. I woud love to see some of this ideas in the opening ceremony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr.x Posted February 27, 2009 Report Share Posted February 27, 2009 ^ wow....really cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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