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It's official:

Russia bids to host 2018 or 2022 World Cup

Russia is joining the race to host the World Cup in 2018 or 2022, a senior official in the Russian Football Association (RFU) said on Friday.

"Yesterday we sent an official letter to FIFA informing them of our intentions to bid for the World Cup in 2018 or 2022," RFU general director Alexei Sorokin told Reuters.

Last week, FIFA president Sepp Blatter urged the Russians to enter the fray. "I definitely expect Russia to be a candidate," he told RFU chief Vitaly Mutko during his visit to Moscow.

Sorokin said his country had pinned its hopes on the 2018 tournament. "We feel that in 2018 the World Cup would be awarded to Europe," he said, naming England and a joint bid from Spain and Portugal as Russia's main competition.

FIFA has set a Feb. 2 deadline for potential bidders to formally express their interest. The successful bids will be announced in December 2010.

Spain and Portugal formalised their plan to bid together earlier this week, while Netherlands and Belgium also have a joint proposal. Other interested nations include England, the United States, China and Mexico.

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Well good luck to them comrades.

Ideally you want host cities and venues spread out the country showing the country's unity through sport and highlighting as well as providing sporting infrastructure to the football teams of the Russian football league. But of course, this can't ideally work. Aside from the travel times, distance and how to get there, you'd end up with like 8 venues in the Western side of Russia in 8 cities, 1 venue in Siberia or whatever it's capital is, then another in Vladivostok. If your really lucky, you might get another venue somewhere in the middle.

Sure you can group say Asian and North American teams to play in the east, but it's lopsided and eventually the seeding would dictate that they gotta travel west to face their next opponent.

But of course this won't work and you'd expect a Western region only bid, but much of the sentimentality is lost if you just focus on the European side of Russia.

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If Russia was still together as the old USSR this would be a much stronger bid. I have said before had the USSR not collapsed, I think you would have seen the Russians hosting by now. Didn't they finish second to Italy in the race for the 1990 World Cup? Apart from the obvious stadiums such as Luzhiki in Moscow and the new Zenit in St. Petersburg the Russians would need at minimum of eight more stadiums to be a viable candidate. I think you would see most of them centered in in the Western half with Vladivostok or Kemerovo a possibility out east. Here would be my venues for a Russian World Cup.

Existing or planned stadiums

Moscow - Luzhniki Stadion

St. Petersurg - Zenit Stadion

Sochi - Olympic Stadium (40,000 all-seater to be built for 2014 Winter Olympics)

New Stadiums in the following cities

Kazan

Omsk

Rostov

Samara

Volgograd

Krasnodar

Vladivostok

Any thoughts?

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If Russia was still together as the old USSR this would be a much stronger bid. I have said before had the USSR not collapsed, I think you would have seen the Russians hosting by now. Didn't they finish second to Italy in the race for the 1990 World Cup? Apart from the obvious stadiums such as Luzhiki in Moscow and the new Zenit in St. Petersburg the Russians would need at minimum of eight more stadiums to be a viable candidate. I think you would see most of them centered in in the Western half with Vladivostok or Kemerovo a possibility out east. Here would be my venues for a Russian World Cup.

Existing or planned stadiums

Moscow - Luzhniki Stadion

St. Petersurg - Zenit Stadion

Sochi - Olympic Stadium (40,000 all-seater to be built for 2014 Winter Olympics)

New Stadiums in the following cities

Kazan

Omsk

Rostov

Samara

Volgograd

Krasnodar

Vladivostok

Any thoughts?

Vladivostok. There you go. Vladivostok wouldn't ideally work. It's just too far from Western Russia, where most of the host cities would be. It's like a 15 hour drive from Moscow to Vladivostok. Imagine having teams having to take a 7 hour flight from Vladivostok to Moscow just to get to their next game? A Western Russia only WC would work fine, but the ambiance, culture, unity and representation of all major Russian cities throughout the country is lost.

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Sepp is dying to give it to Russia.

Like Samaranch dying to give the Olympics to China? Well, if there's any correlation, Blatter just might get his wish.

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Like Samaranch dying to give the Olympics to China? Well, if there's any correlation, Blatter just might get his wish.

Beijing had to convince 50 IOC members or so. Russia only needs to do it with 12 people.

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Vladivostok. There you go. Vladivostok wouldn't ideally work. It's just too far from Western Russia, where most of the host cities would be. It's like a 15 hour drive from Moscow to Vladivostok. Imagine having teams having to take a 7 hour flight from Vladivostok to Moscow just to get to their next game? A Western Russia only WC would work fine, but the ambiance, culture, unity and representation of all major Russian cities throughout the country is lost.

Its a 7 day train ride between those cities and a 9 hour plane ride.

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Its a 7 day train ride between those cities and a 9 hour plane ride.

Ah right, the dudes that drove from Moscow to Vladivostok went 15,000 km. But the point still remains, the sheer distance would make it unwise to have Vladivostok as a host city.

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If Russia was still together as the old USSR this would be a much stronger bid. I have said before had the USSR not collapsed, I think you would have seen the Russians hosting by now. Didn't they finish second to Italy in the race for the 1990 World Cup? Apart from the obvious stadiums such as Luzhiki in Moscow and the new Zenit in St. Petersburg the Russians would need at minimum of eight more stadiums to be a viable candidate. I think you would see most of them centered in in the Western half with Vladivostok or Kemerovo a possibility out east. Here would be my venues for a Russian World Cup.

Existing or planned stadiums

Moscow - Luzhniki Stadion

St. Petersurg - Zenit Stadion

Sochi - Olympic Stadium (40,000 all-seater to be built for 2014 Winter Olympics)

New Stadiums in the following cities

Kazan

Omsk

Rostov

Samara

Volgograd

Krasnodar

Vladivostok

Any thoughts?

I would include Novosibirsk, Russia's third largest city.

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Sepp is dying to give it to Russia.

What makes you think that? We know from last year's Champions League final that getting travel documents to go to Russia is difficult and accommodation when you get there is frighteningly expensive. Russia has to overcome these key problems.

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Here are some facts

We know from last year's Champions League final that getting travel documents to go to Russia is difficult

Russia allowed visa-free entry to all ticketed spectators for the 2008 final - some 40 thousand British fans traveled for the match.

At the same time the UEFA cup final was hosted in Manchester - UK refused to provide the same visa-free conditions for Russian fans.

accommodation when you get there is frighteningly expensive.

Moscow is indeed expensive, but it is only one of the 10 proposed host cities.

Moreover it would be possible for the organizing committee to sign up hotels for a fixed price, as it has been done for the Sochi Games.

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The cities considered by the bid committee:

- Moscow city and region (4 stadiums)

- St. Petersburg

- Yaroslavl

- Sochi

- Krasnodar

- Rostov-Don

- Kazan

- others TBD

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Ekaterinburg?

Yuriatin?

Novosibrisk?

Archangel?

There is a small probability of Ekaterinburg to be included and for the rest in your list - zero.

Where is Yuriatin anyway? There is nothing similar in Russia. May be it is in Waziristan? :)

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There is a simple solution to the isolation problem for Novosibrisk and Vladivostok, base a group in each. Fix the draw such that Russia, Brazil, England, Spain, Italy and Germany are based in the west but have 2 groups based exclusively in one of the remote cities. So Novosibrisk and Vladivostok would host the 5 matches and than two of the teams would be moved so that the games can still be simultaneously played and than each host the round of 16 cross overs.

So using Germany's group's G and H

In Novosibrisk have Togo, Switzerland, Korea and France

In Vladivostok have Spain, Ukraine, Saudi Arabia and Tunisia

Move the last game for G to Vladivostok and the last game of H to Novosibrisk and than the Spain-France game be played in Novosibrisk and the Ukraine-Switzerland in Vladivostok.

So that each will have 7 matches and the teams wouldn't have to travel excessively and once the round of 16 is over all the teams would be based in western Russia.

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There is a simple solution to the isolation problem for Novosibrisk and Vladivostok, base a group in each. Fix the draw such that Russia, Brazil, England, Spain, Italy and Germany are based in the west but have 2 groups based exclusively in one of the remote cities. So Novosibrisk and Vladivostok would host the 5 matches and than two of the teams would be moved so that the games can still be simultaneously played and than each host the round of 16 cross overs.

So using Germany's group's G and H

In Novosibrisk have Togo, Switzerland, Korea and France

In Vladivostok have Spain, Ukraine, Saudi Arabia and Tunisia

Move the last game for G to Vladivostok and the last game of H to Novosibrisk and than the Spain-France game be played in Novosibrisk and the Ukraine-Switzerland in Vladivostok.

So that each will have 7 matches and the teams wouldn't have to travel excessively and once the round of 16 is over all the teams would be based in western Russia.

Thank you. Brilliant plan. Totally unrealistic, unfortunately, considering that e.g. winners of group G would have to do two transcontinental flights in one week :) Forget it, no need to bother.

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The cities considered by the bid committee:

- Moscow city and region (4 stadiums)

- St. Petersburg

- Yaroslavl

- Sochi

- Krasnodar

- Rostov-Don

- Kazan

- others TBD

TBD above has been detailed, it is:

- Samara

- Nizhny Novgorod

- Volgograd

- Saransk

- Yekaterinburg

- Kaliningrad

16 venues altogether

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Vladimir Putin to Have Hands-on Role with Russia World Cup Bid

(ATR) Vitaly Mutko, Russia’s sports minister and FIFA Executive Committee member, tells World Football Insider that Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin is set to play a much more visible role in the country's World Cup bid campaign during 2010.

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Putin’s intervention in Sochi’s bid to host the 2014 Winter Olympics was considered crucial to the Black Sea city’s ultimate success, and officials on rival bids privately fear his input.

One rival bid official described the Russian premier as the country’s “secret weapon” and another described how Sochi had “absolutely nothing going for it” until Putin weighed in behind the bid campaign.

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Mutko said that the formal lobbying of FIFA executive members is still to fully kick into gear, but that when they had been presented with the possibilities offered by the world’s largest country they had been “left a very good impression".

http://www.aroundtherings.com/articles/view.aspx?id=33905

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Sochi had “absolutely nothing going for it” until Putin weighed in behind the bid campaign

:D I would estimate V.Putin's influence as a half-a-dozen votes or so. Of course it was decisive given the closeness of the final result, but the statement above is definitely far from reality :)

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One rival bid official described the Russian premier as the country’s “secret weapon”

Not a secret any more. Eevrybody now knows about it and tries to use the 'head-of-state' factor to get an advantage.

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