baron-pierreIV Posted April 27, 2009 Report Posted April 27, 2009 What a handsome guy you are ! And you're very pretty yourself, MISTER Venezuela. So...you were a beauty queen BEFORE you became a guy???
Mr.Venezuela Posted April 29, 2009 Report Posted April 29, 2009 And you're very pretty yourself, MISTER Venezuela. So...you were a beauty queen BEFORE you became a guy??? This woman is our Miss Venezuela 2007 and also won the Miss Universe 2008. A proud of our country.
LiuTian Posted May 25, 2009 Author Report Posted May 25, 2009 \ Do you think Harbin still has chance to beat PC in the 2018 bid ? It seems that right now S.Korea has lots of trouble.
Sir Rols Posted May 25, 2009 Report Posted May 25, 2009 Well, it's a bit hard to judge without knowing much of Harbin's bid plans. Plus I'd imagine most IOC members thoughts are on the summer 2016 bid. Let's wait a bit and get some more information before rushing to judgement. By the way, LiuTian, did you see Puppy's report from China in the general topics forum. He says China are keen on putting forward Harbin for 2022 as well if they don't get 2018. I guess that means they don't expect PyeongChang to win.
4gamesandcounting Posted May 26, 2009 Report Posted May 26, 2009 Probably too early for another Chinese bid.
LiuTian Posted May 29, 2009 Author Report Posted May 29, 2009 The Dragon Boat Festival in Harbin yesterday...
LiuTian Posted June 5, 2009 Author Report Posted June 5, 2009 Some news from the gov't of Harbin : Whether Harbin bids 2018 or not depend on the Tokyo's result of the 2016 bid. If Tokyo won, Harbin would not bid 2018. If Tokyo lose, China would put forward a Harbin's bid for full support. So that means China will announce the bid in the mid Oct. The Chindren's Day
mattperiolat Posted June 5, 2009 Report Posted June 5, 2009 You know, no disrespect to Harbin, but if you're going to make a post about a bid, how about some actual bid information, like a venue plan etc., rather than just pretty pictures? Sorry, but starts to reek of propoganda after a while.
LiuTian Posted June 7, 2009 Author Report Posted June 7, 2009 You know, no disrespect to Harbin, but if you're going to make a post about a bid, how about some actual bid information, like a venue plan etc., rather than just pretty pictures? Sorry, but starts to reek of propoganda after a while. I think you are Fault-finding...... I'll surelly post some actual bid information, like a venue plan etc. when Harbin anounces the 2018 bid in mid Oct.
mattperiolat Posted June 8, 2009 Report Posted June 8, 2009 I think you are Fault-finding......I'll surelly post some actual bid information, like a venue plan etc. when Harbin anounces the 2018 bid in mid Oct. I'm only fault finding when there's fault. I understand the excitement for the potential of Harbin of hosting the WOG, but virtually every post has been a single sentence followed by pictures that aren't connected to the bid. All I'm saying is cool your jets a bit. Wait until Harbin has something concrete to offer and then post the pictures based on what the press releases say.
LiuTian Posted June 9, 2009 Author Report Posted June 9, 2009 I'm only fault finding when there's fault. I understand the excitement for the potential of Harbin of hosting the WOG, but virtually every post has been a single sentence followed by pictures that aren't connected to the bid.All I'm saying is cool your jets a bit. Wait until Harbin has something concrete to offer and then post the pictures based on what the press releases say. Well, GB.com is a forum that can not only propagate a bid, but also introduce a city that will bid, right ? I don't konw why those pictures make you sooo uncomfortable. Frankly speaking, is it just because Harbin is a Chinese city ? If this is a post shows some western city's pics, could you still feel that ? I'll still do myself. Actually there are always some people treat China with Arrogant, Bias and Jealousy.
mattperiolat Posted June 9, 2009 Report Posted June 9, 2009 Well, GB.com is a forum that can not only propagate a bid, but also introduce a city that will bid, right ? I don't konw why those pictures make you sooo uncomfortable. Frankly speaking, is it just because Harbin is a Chinese city ? If this is a post shows some western city's pics, could you still feel that ? I'll still do myself. Actually there are always some people treat China with Arrogant, Bias and Jealousy. You do make a good point in trying to get people familiar with Harbin and I don't have a problem with that, per se, but it is a little over the top that every single post is photos of just the city with no relation to plans, existing infrastructure for the WOG bid or anything else. It's not that I feel uncomfortable or even threatened, far from it. I just feel the line between promotion and propoganda is several miles back. One other point since you brought it up, and this will be the final time I'll say it on these boards because I got sick of saying it around Beijing: I do not have a problem with China or it's people. Period. Line. Paragraph. My problem has been and always will be with it's government. I think the people of China are ill served at best by their government and I really do wish the the increase in business with the West would contribute to reform. Unlikely to happen but I do wish that. Look, you really want to make Harbin look good to the world? You really want to put the best foot forward? Talk about the experience of the city in hosting events the size of the WOG. If there are any potential venues in place, post pictures of those. What about the mountains near Harbin for the alpine events? Give us a real feel for the city and it's environment. Truly, I wish Harbin well, even if I personally feel it's chances are very long combined with Beijing's recent hosting and PC's bid.
LiuTian Posted June 9, 2009 Author Report Posted June 9, 2009 One other point since you brought it up, and this will be the final time I'll say it on these boards because I got sick of saying it around Beijing: I do not have a problem with China or it's people. Period. Line. Paragraph. My problem has been and always will be with it's government. I think the people of China are ill served at best by their government and I really do wish the the increase in business with the West would contribute to reform. Unlikely to happen but I do wish that. I can not explan what I want to say as my English is not very well. From your words I know you still talk China with old eyes. Frankly I think you even don't know what the China really is in nowadays. You should admit that China is getting better and better, specifically the Gov't.
mattperiolat Posted June 9, 2009 Report Posted June 9, 2009 I can not explan what I want to say as my English is not very well.From your words I know you still talk China with old eyes. Frankly I think you even don't know what the China really is in nowadays. You should admit that China is getting better and better, specifically the Gov't. I can't admit to something that I don't believe is true. I think in the long run, China's government is doing more to hold China back than it is to advance it's interests. But that's neither here nor there. The topic is Harbin and it's presentation. Like I said, put the best foot forward in it's ability to host the world rather than just the random photos. That's all.
LiuTian Posted June 10, 2009 Author Report Posted June 10, 2009 I can't admit to something that I don't believe is true. I think in the long run, China's government is doing more to hold China back than it is to advance it's interests.But that's neither here nor there. The topic is Harbin and it's presentation. Like I said, put the best foot forward in it's ability to host the world rather than just the random photos. That's all. Well, the China's government in your mind is the one that be deeply defamed by western media time after time. And that's not real China. On the internet I often receive some stupid questions from the foreigners like "Does every one of Chinese smoke?", "Have you ever eat apples/drink beer ?", "Do your family have sofa/microwave ovens ?", "If you walking on the street, do you feel very dangours to be robbed ?", "Do you can't talk about the goverment in public otherwise you'll be imprisoned ?" ect.... These questions show their ignorance of China. And these should be attributed to the Western media of exaggerating. This is my purpose to post pictures of Harbin, to let foreign friends to know the real life of the Chinese. Yes,I admit that our gov't still has lots of problems, but so are yours. The China's goverment has made 300 million people out of poverty in only 30 years, and is leading 1.3 billion people to richer and richer lives. Hey guy, this is the China in the year of 2009, not in 1949 or 1980s. I welcome you to come here and take a look by your personal experience. Peace
jiejie Posted June 15, 2009 Report Posted June 15, 2009 Liu Tian, listen to your jiejie and listen well. I am a foreigner but have lived in China a long time...the first time back in the 1980's which may have been before you were born. So not all of us are inexperienced and stupid when it comes to China matters, the Chinese people, etc. However, you are starting to act silly and sound like a bit of a little boy--you are NOT a victim so STOP with the hurt feelings bit and try to understand the point that some people have made above. I will give you some suggestions: 1) There are some people on this board and elsewhere that don't think Harbin should host in 2018--some of them because they don't like the Chinese government or system, some of them for completely different reasons. YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT HOW PEOPLE FEEL RIGHT NOW, so just take a deep breath and don't take it so personally. Also, there will always be people out there who hate China, just as there will always be people out there who hate USA, or Britain, or Russia. Doesn't matter if it has to do with reality or understanding. You can't do anything about this either, so just let all the negative stuff flow away from you like a river. There is no need for you to be defensive about China or Harbin. 2) Harbin IS a nice city and very interesting, which often gets passed by because of location. I would encourage travelers to China who can make it up there to take a look, during the famous Ice Festival if they can take the extreme cold, or during warmer seasons if they can't. However, what makes a city able to host a Winter Olympics is somewhat different and special, and if Harbin has a good plan for 2018 figured out, it will be presented to the world soon enough. 3) The point some people have tried to make to you is that all the photos on this thread/this board are getting to be too much. Especially since there is no formal announcement of a Harbin bid yet. I know this is not the Chinese way, but to foreigners it makes the thread harder to read and is well, illogical. You may not understand this, but you need to accept it as this is primarily a foreign/international Board connected specifically with the Games, and not a Chinese bbs. Also not a Harbin Tourist Board site, which is what your collection of photos would be better suited for. (They are nice photos, by the way.) 4) What would be very useful for you to do--if you really believe Harbin will announce a bid--is to put together a little blog or website of your own, and put all these general photos, maps, etc. of Harbin there. Maybe with some caption/comment about what we are looking at in the photo. In the next few months, if you have a camera or can borrow one, take some photos of your own also. Then, put a LINK to your site here on Gamesbids. If or when Harbin does announce a Winter Olympics bid, and starts producing specific plans, venue photos and info, etc., AT THAT TIME is best for you to directly post them here on Gamesbids. I think most people here don't want you to stop participating on Gamesbids, but we (mostly older and wiser than you) are trying to get you to put the right things in the right place at the right time. Please.
baron-pierreIV Posted June 15, 2009 Report Posted June 15, 2009 Excellent post, jiejie. I hope Liu listens.
mattperiolat Posted June 17, 2009 Report Posted June 17, 2009 Liu Tian, listen to your jiejie and listen well. I am a foreigner but have lived in China a long time...the first time back in the 1980's which may have been before you were born. So not all of us are inexperienced and stupid when it comes to China matters, the Chinese people, etc. However, you are starting to act silly and sound like a bit of a little boy--you are NOT a victim so STOP with the hurt feelings bit and try to understand the point that some people have made above. I will give you some suggestions: 1) There are some people on this board and elsewhere that don't think Harbin should host in 2018--some of them because they don't like the Chinese government or system, some of them for completely different reasons. YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT HOW PEOPLE FEEL RIGHT NOW, so just take a deep breath and don't take it so personally. Also, there will always be people out there who hate China, just as there will always be people out there who hate USA, or Britain, or Russia. Doesn't matter if it has to do with reality or understanding. You can't do anything about this either, so just let all the negative stuff flow away from you like a river. There is no need for you to be defensive about China or Harbin. 2) Harbin IS a nice city and very interesting, which often gets passed by because of location. I would encourage travelers to China who can make it up there to take a look, during the famous Ice Festival if they can take the extreme cold, or during warmer seasons if they can't. However, what makes a city able to host a Winter Olympics is somewhat different and special, and if Harbin has a good plan for 2018 figured out, it will be presented to the world soon enough. 3) The point some people have tried to make to you is that all the photos on this thread/this board are getting to be too much. Especially since there is no formal announcement of a Harbin bid yet. I know this is not the Chinese way, but to foreigners it makes the thread harder to read and is well, illogical. You may not understand this, but you need to accept it as this is primarily a foreign/international Board connected specifically with the Games, and not a Chinese bbs. Also not a Harbin Tourist Board site, which is what your collection of photos would be better suited for. (They are nice photos, by the way.) 4) What would be very useful for you to do--if you really believe Harbin will announce a bid--is to put together a little blog or website of your own, and put all these general photos, maps, etc. of Harbin there. Maybe with some caption/comment about what we are looking at in the photo. In the next few months, if you have a camera or can borrow one, take some photos of your own also. Then, put a LINK to your site here on Gamesbids. If or when Harbin does announce a Winter Olympics bid, and starts producing specific plans, venue photos and info, etc., AT THAT TIME is best for you to directly post them here on Gamesbids. I think most people here don't want you to stop participating on Gamesbids, but we (mostly older and wiser than you) are trying to get you to put the right things in the right place at the right time. Please. Thank you for articulating the points I was trying to make in a far better way than I could and probably more diplomatically. I agree with everything you have to say and I've stated my opinions, so until after Copenhagen and bid releases, I'm keeping my mouth shut and my head down.
stryker Posted June 22, 2009 Report Posted June 22, 2009 I don't think a Winter Olympics in Harbin may be as far off as some people might think. Juding by how the IOC was gushing over Beijing last year, the IOC might want to return to China sooner rather than later so 2018 could be a real possibility. There was only six years between the Olympics in Atlanta and Salt Lake City.
Citius Altius Fortius Posted June 23, 2009 Report Posted June 23, 2009 You might be right stryker, but we should keep in mind that in the USA is a huge market for wintersport products since many years - without a doubt the PR of China will become a huge market for skiing/wintersport products too, but it should increase a little bit more before it hosts Winter Olympics...
LiuTian Posted September 22, 2009 Author Report Posted September 22, 2009 The stadium that will host Harbin Winter Olympics on day.
Westfale Posted September 22, 2009 Report Posted September 22, 2009 Beautiful pictures. Will Harbin bid?
demetrius Posted September 23, 2009 Report Posted September 23, 2009 nice pics Forgive me, I'am unaware of China and so I don't know Harbin, but this city seems artificial, it looks like an amusement park (over saturated colors, loud lights, Disney scenery...). May be I'am too conservative, but for WOG, I need winter landscape, mountains (I can't see them in all your pics ), fir trees... If Harbin bids, it would be different from Munchen/garmisch and Annecy/Mont Blanc... so why not
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