LiuTian Posted February 10, 2009 Author Report Posted February 10, 2009 Looks pretty close to the border to me! I've never heard there is a disputed territory in northeast China. Korean are just Vexatious...
jim jones Posted February 10, 2009 Report Posted February 10, 2009 Well, Sochi is almost on top of disputed territory... If we really got down to it Disputed Territory would be with the Vancouver 2010 games that the Native Indian Tribes have made claims to for generations. The Same could be said for Australia and the hosting of Commonwealth and Olympic games and the land claims of the Natives Who is the Dispute with Russia ? North Korea ? Genghis Khan's Mongol Relatives ? I am not asking you Rob I am asking Faster. Please tell us so more fairy tails that points to you not wanting the games coming to China Again . I know a Coach for the Nigerian Wrestling Team who won a Gold medal for Canada at Sydney 2000 and his view on the Ground in Beijing was that you could combine Sydney 2000 and Athens 2004 together for all their great things for Athletes comfort and the combined product would not come near Beijing 2008. This is from a Man who has experienced the 1994 and 2002 Commonwealth Games, the 2000 and 2004 Olympics and the 1999 pan am games as a competitor. NOCs have a prime stakeholder and those are the Athletes . The Athletes loved Beijing and the IOC stopped having Daily meeting after the first week simply because it was that well run and organized. A President of an Olympic Association I know had the same evaluation of China hosting Beijing 2008 and he was happy to feel at ease that none of his athletes would be calling home complaining about the Accoms. That has become a big thing with Sports Administrators in the last decade. The Athletes were happy , The Worldwide Partners were happy , The TV networks especially in North America were happy. Only the Pro Tibet Protesters had problems with the games. I don't think that the Issue of Tibet is something to be ignored but basically the Olympics will never solve the World problems anyways. Jim jones
LiuTian Posted February 13, 2009 Author Report Posted February 13, 2009 Can you see the coliseum above ? 5 days later it will hold the Opening Ceremony of Harbin 2009 Winter Universiade.
jim jones Posted February 15, 2009 Report Posted February 15, 2009 Can you see the coliseum above ? 5 days later it will hold the Opening Ceremony of Harbin 2009 Winter Universiade. Great looking city LuiTian . Frankly I can see much better for 2018 . The women's Curling team from Harbin was in my small town in Nova Scotia for a Tournament and people loved them. Very nice people the team was. Jim jones
jiejie Posted February 15, 2009 Report Posted February 15, 2009 Whatever the merits of Harbin City might be, they are not going to be able to unilaterally make the decision to bid--for an international event of Olympic magnitude, Harbin would need to have the express blessing of the central govt (in Beijing). That's just how things are done in China. Not only would a Harbin Winter Games need the blessing, but the infrastructure and logistical support for transportation, security, etc. would need to have bigger pockets than Harbin would be able to fund by itself. And that would be serious cash, much of which would be needed to outlay beginning 2012-2013. Given the current worries of the central govt, I don't think there is a big chance they will feel the need to pony up for 2018 Winter Games. They'll probably wait until the last possible minute before formal application for 2018 is due, to either give the go-ahead to Harbin or put the brakes on. Note that there is an expected change in top leadership around 2012 with the various princelings jockeying for future position as we speak--and unless Harbin/Heilongjiang province has some serious power players in the running to push their case--I think 2018 may be just a dream.
LiuTian Posted February 16, 2009 Author Report Posted February 16, 2009 Whatever the merits of Harbin City might be, they are not going to be able to unilaterally make the decision to bid--for an international event of Olympic magnitude, Harbin would need to have the express blessing of the central govt (in Beijing). That's just how things are done in China. Not only would a Harbin Winter Games need the blessing, but the infrastructure and logistical support for transportation, security, etc. would need to have bigger pockets than Harbin would be able to fund by itself. And that would be serious cash, much of which would be needed to outlay beginning 2012-2013. Given the current worries of the central govt, I don't think there is a big chance they will feel the need to pony up for 2018 Winter Games. They'll probably wait until the last possible minute before formal application for 2018 is due, to either give the go-ahead to Harbin or put the brakes on. Note that there is an expected change in top leadership around 2012 with the various princelings jockeying for future position as we speak--and unless Harbin/Heilongjiang province has some serious power players in the running to push their case--I think 2018 may be just a dream. Acturelly I hold the same opinion with you, don't know what the Chinese leadership want... But 2018 has the most chance for Asia, we should try it, no matter get it or not, it is a good opportunity to publicity the city. What's more, Harbin is much better than PyeongChang I think... The FULL MOON Day Good Luck Harbin
LiuTian Posted March 1, 2009 Author Report Posted March 1, 2009 Harbin has already hold successful Winter Universiade. 2018 --- It's our time to shine ! 2018我们赢！
baron-pierreIV Posted March 1, 2009 Report Posted March 1, 2009 All these nighttime pictures of Harbin look impressive. But it all looks so synthetic...like what would it do in a blackout?
LiuTian Posted March 1, 2009 Author Report Posted March 1, 2009 All these nighttime pictures of Harbin look impressive. But it all looks so synthetic...like what would it do in a blackout? in a blackout ?
LiuTian Posted March 1, 2009 Author Report Posted March 1, 2009 All these nighttime pictures of Harbin look impressive. But it all looks so synthetic...like what would it do in a blackout? in a blackout ? China is still a developing country. We need to learn a lot from the western cities like Londo and New York...
baron-pierreIV Posted March 1, 2009 Report Posted March 1, 2009 in a blackout ? China is still a developing country. We need to learn a lot from the western cities like Londo and New York... A black-out means if the electricity goes down -- what happens to the very 'pretty' images of Harbin? In the daytime, I guess it looks like a pretty big city.
LiuTian Posted March 4, 2009 Author Report Posted March 4, 2009 I would like to study mr.x, 5 pics a day, until Harbin get 2018 Winter Games in 2011.
IceNarcissus Posted March 5, 2009 Report Posted March 5, 2009 Harbin is a nice idea but China needs more event hosting tradition first. The universiade was definitely good for its hopes, but its still not highly regarded in many sports federations. Also, the Chinese need to assure the IOC that some of the political blunders of Beijing will be absent.
zenica Posted March 24, 2009 Report Posted March 24, 2009 Nach dem Jahresbericht von Amnesty International wurden in der Volksrepublik mindestens 1.718 Menschen nach Todesurteilen erschossen oder per Giftspritze getötet. Damit entfielen mehr als zwei Drittel der Hinrichtungen weltweit auf China. Insgesamt wurden rund um den Globus mindestens 2.390 Menschen exekutiert. Damit wurden fast doppelt so viele Hinrichtungen bekannt wie im Jahr zuvor (1.252). Der starke Anstieg ist im wesentlichen auf die Entwicklung in der Volksrepublik zurückzuführen. Nach Amnesty-Angaben wurden dort mindestens 1.248 Todesurteile mehr vollstreckt als im Jahr zuvor. Dabei handelt es sich allerdings nur um die Zahl der bekanntgewordenen Exekutionen. Die tatsächliche Zahl der Hinrichtungen liegt nach Amnesty-Einschätzung "um ein Vielfaches höher". Die Schätzungen von Menschenrechtlern reichen bis zu 10.000 Fällen pro Jahr. Von chinesischen Gerichten wurden im vergangenen Jahr mehr als 7.000 Todesurteile verhängt. Hoffnungen, dass die Vergabe der Olympischen Sommerspiele 2008 an Peking am Umgang mit der Todesstrafe in China etwas ändern könnte, erfüllten sich damit nicht. Das bevölkerungsreichste Land der Welt sei weiterhin "grausamer Weltmeister bei der Todesstrafe", kritisierte Amnesty International. In zehn Fragen durch China Vom Kaiserreich bis zur Kulturrevolution - kennen Sie sich aus? mehr Auf die Volksrepublik folgen in der Statistik der Iran (mindestens 346 Exekutionen), Saudi-Arabien (mindestens 102), Pakistan (mindestens 36) und die USA (37). Als einziges Land in Europa ließ Weißrussland noch vier Menschen töten. Insgesamt wird die Todesstrafe nach Amnesty-Angaben noch in 59 Staaten praktiziert. Vielfach gibt es dort keine offiziellen Zahlen zu Hinrichtungen. Die Dunkelziffer liege nicht nur in China "mit an Sicherheit grenzender Wahrscheinlichkeit deutlich höher", heißt es in dem Amnesty-Bericht. Demgegenüber ist in insgesamt 138 Staaten die Todesstrafe abgeschafft oder wird in der Praxis nicht mehr vollstreckt. Im vergangenen Jahr kamen Argentinien und Usbekistan hinzu. Vergangene Woche beschloss New Mexico als 15. US-Bundesstaat, keine Todesurteile mehr zu vollstrecken. In Westdeutschland fand die letzte Hinrichtung 1949 statt, in der DDR 1981. Amnesty-Experte Oliver Hendrich erklärte, insgesamt rücke die Welt "näher in Richtung weltweiter Abschaffung.(..) Doch jede Hinrichtung ist eine zu viel."
zenica Posted March 24, 2009 Report Posted March 24, 2009 After the annual report of Amnesty International were in the People's Republic of at least 1,718 people after the death penalty shot or killed by poison syringe. This accounted for more than two-thirds of the world's executions in China. Altogether, around the globe at least 2390 people executed. This was almost twice as many executions known as the year before (1,252). The sharp increase is mainly due to the development in the People's Republic due. According to Amnesty, there were indications of at least 1,248 death sentences executed more than a year earlier. It is only by the number of known executions. The actual number of executions, according to Amnesty assessment "is much higher." Estimates of human rights ranging up to 10,000 cases per year. Chinese courts have been in the past year more than 7,000 death sentences imposed. Hopes that the award of the 2008 Summer Olympic Games in Beijing on dealing with the death penalty in China, something could change, thus not met. The most populous country in the world would continue to "cruel world champion in the death penalty," Amnesty International criticized. In ten issues by China From Empire to the Cultural Revolution - you know of? more At the People's Republic will follow the statistics of Iran (at least 346 executions), Saudi Arabia (at least 102), Pakistan (at least 36) and the USA (37). As the only country in Europe, Belarus was still four people killed. Overall, the death penalty after Amnesty figures still practiced in 59 states. Often there are no official figures on executions. The real figure is not only in China "almost certainly be much higher," says the Amnesty report. By contrast, in a total of 138 countries abolished the death penalty, or is in practice no longer enforced. Last year, Argentina and Uzbekistan added. Last week New Mexico decided as 15th U.S. state, no more death sentences to be enforced. In West Germany, the last execution took place 1949 in the GDR, the 1981st Amnesty expert Oliver Hendrich said that the whole world move closer towards the universal abolition .(..) But every death is one too many. "
Sir Rols Posted March 24, 2009 Report Posted March 24, 2009 After the annual report of Amnesty International were in the People's Republic of at least 1,718 people after the death penalty shot or killed by poison syringe. This accounted for more than two-thirds of the world's executions in China. Altogether, around the globe at least 2390 people executed. This was almost twice as many executions known as the year before (1,252). The sharp increase is mainly due to the development in the People's Republic due. According to Amnesty, there were indications of at least 1,248 death sentences executed more than a year earlier. It is only by the number of known executions. The actual number of executions, according to Amnesty assessment "is much higher." Estimates of human rights ranging up to 10,000 cases per year. Chinese courts have been in the past year more than 7,000 death sentences imposed. Hopes that the award of the 2008 Summer Olympic Games in Beijing on dealing with the death penalty in China, something could change, thus not met. The most populous country in the world would continue to "cruel world champion in the death penalty," Amnesty International criticized. In ten issues by China From Empire to the Cultural Revolution - you know of? more At the People's Republic will follow the statistics of Iran (at least 346 executions), Saudi Arabia (at least 102), Pakistan (at least 36) and the USA (37). As the only country in Europe, Belarus was still four people killed. Overall, the death penalty after Amnesty figures still practiced in 59 states. Often there are no official figures on executions. The real figure is not only in China "almost certainly be much higher," says the Amnesty report. By contrast, in a total of 138 countries abolished the death penalty, or is in practice no longer enforced. Last year, Argentina and Uzbekistan added. Last week New Mexico decided as 15th U.S. state, no more death sentences to be enforced. In West Germany, the last execution took place 1949 in the GDR, the 1981st Amnesty expert Oliver Hendrich said that the whole world move closer towards the universal abolition .(..) But every death is one too many. " So are you for or against harbin, Zen?
LiuTian Posted March 25, 2009 Author Report Posted March 25, 2009 After the annual report of Amnesty International were in the People's Republic of at least 1,718 people after the death penalty shot or killed by poison syringe. This accounted for more than two-thirds of the world's executions in China. Altogether, around the globe at least 2390 people executed. This was almost twice as many executions known as the year before (1,252). The sharp increase is mainly due to the development in the People's Republic due. According to Amnesty, there were indications of at least 1,248 death sentences executed more than a year earlier. It is only by the number of known executions. The actual number of executions, according to Amnesty assessment "is much higher." Estimates of human rights ranging up to 10,000 cases per year. Chinese courts have been in the past year more than 7,000 death sentences imposed. Hopes that the award of the 2008 Summer Olympic Games in Beijing on dealing with the death penalty in China, something could change, thus not met. The most populous country in the world would continue to "cruel world champion in the death penalty," Amnesty International criticized. In ten issues by China From Empire to the Cultural Revolution - you know of? more At the People's Republic will follow the statistics of Iran (at least 346 executions), Saudi Arabia (at least 102), Pakistan (at least 36) and the USA (37). As the only country in Europe, Belarus was still four people killed. Overall, the death penalty after Amnesty figures still practiced in 59 states. Often there are no official figures on executions. The real figure is not only in China "almost certainly be much higher," says the Amnesty report. By contrast, in a total of 138 countries abolished the death penalty, or is in practice no longer enforced. Last year, Argentina and Uzbekistan added. Last week New Mexico decided as 15th U.S. state, no more death sentences to be enforced. In West Germany, the last execution took place 1949 in the GDR, the 1981st Amnesty expert Oliver Hendrich said that the whole world move closer towards the universal abolition .(..) But every death is one too many. " Why don't you see many good progress that happen in China ? You'd better pay attention to your own country's issues more...
zenica Posted March 26, 2009 Report Posted March 26, 2009 After the 2008 Summer Olympic Games in Beijing, I can not see Harbin organized the Olympic Winter Games before 2038 years.
LiuTian Posted March 30, 2009 Author Report Posted March 30, 2009 After the 2008 Summer Olympic Games in Beijing, I can not see Harbin organized the Olympic Winter Games before 2038 years. Well, let's wait and see...
LiuTian Posted April 2, 2009 Author Report Posted April 2, 2009 Harbin is a nice idea but China needs more event hosting tradition first. The universiade was definitely good for its hopes, but its still not highly regarded in many sports federations. Also, the Chinese need to assure the IOC that some of the political blunders of Beijing will be absent. Well, I would like to know what event hosting tradition do Sochi and Vancouver have before they win the bid ???
Ibirapuera Posted April 3, 2009 Report Posted April 3, 2009 Why do so many people are talking like China will never host any Games ? I can see Harbin hosting in 2026 or 2030, its a beautiful city,a new frontier for the Olympic movement and Chinese people did a great job in Beijing 2008. Human rights violations ? Do you guys really believe that the IOC awarded the Games to Beijing hoping that this would end all their problems related to human rights ? This is naive to say the least.
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