LiuTian Posted January 1, 2009 Report Posted January 1, 2009 Happy New Year From Harbin !! Icy Disney Land ... Hope Harbin could beat PyeongChang and get 2018 Olympic Winter Games.
Guest TOKYO 2016 Posted January 1, 2009 Report Posted January 1, 2009 Oh handsome guy. How old? Good luck Harbin.
Fox334 Posted January 1, 2009 Report Posted January 1, 2009 Is it just me or has it been a while, Liu Tian? In any case, I've seen some videos of last year's Harbin winter carnival (or whatever you guys call it ^^') and its quite the sight. Quebec's winter festival frankly looks like a joke compared to Harbin's. If something would hold Harbin back its the lack of experience hosting international snow sports events (Harbin has plenty of experience in ice sports), especially Alpine Skiing. So 2018 isn't likely, but it would be an interesting choice for a future WOG (if we can find the always hard to find downhill track...)
Sir Rols Posted January 2, 2009 Report Posted January 2, 2009 It probably is onl a matter of time before China hosts a WOG, and Harbin's the probable location I suppose. But I think I agree with Fox, it needs a little more snow sports hosting profile (BTW, what is likely to be the Alpine venue they propose anyway?). I reckon though, if PC doesn't win on its third attempt for 2018, it could be pretty even odds whether China or Korea will end up being the next Asian WOG host in the 2020s.
Faster Posted January 2, 2009 Report Posted January 2, 2009 Did you see what NOC posted a few weeks about about Beijing, that the IOC was not and is not happy with China, as well as many NOCs and IFs because of no payments, the ticketing issues and other problems. He said it was his impression that China was unlikely to host again in the near future.
NOC Posted January 2, 2009 Report Posted January 2, 2009 China will not host a major Olympic event for a VERY long time
cfm Jeremie Posted January 2, 2009 Report Posted January 2, 2009 2018 is very, very unlikely. But, when it comes to winter games in Asia there are not so many options. If the IFs want to spread the winter sports in that part of the world, China will eventually host. The IFs were one of the main factors behind Sochi victory being clearly more interested in the Russian market than in Korea. As for the IOC, there is a difference between the IOC administration and EB members, who have a clue of the challenges that Beijing have been, and the average IOC member who does not experience the real Games but only a VVIP version of it...
Faster Posted January 2, 2009 Report Posted January 2, 2009 In reality there is only Kazakhstan, China, Korea and Japan.
baron-pierreIV Posted January 2, 2009 Report Posted January 2, 2009 In reality there is only Kazakhstan, China, Korea and Japan. Well, Nepal conceivably could if they cared enough about Western winter sports.
ChicagoUSA2016 Posted January 2, 2009 Report Posted January 2, 2009 What about India? Development of a $300 million ski resort in India’s Himachal Pradesh region could lead to the country, which will host the 2010 Winter Commonwealth Games at Delhi and plans to use its current leading resort of Gulmarg for some events, putting in a bid to a host a future Winter Olympics.
baron-pierreIV Posted January 2, 2009 Report Posted January 2, 2009 What about India? There is NO such thing yet as a Winter Commonwealth Games. Delhi is only hosting the (summer) CWG. Kashmir? How about the Gaza? If the IOC didn't shortlist Doha for the Summer, do you really think a Kashmiri bid would even get one World Championship???
Fox334 Posted January 3, 2009 Report Posted January 3, 2009 Well, I'm pretty sure Iran also has the mountain range necessary (if I recall correctly there is a ski resort near Tehran).
Faster Posted January 3, 2009 Report Posted January 3, 2009 I was being realistic, if every country was mentioned than some would be highly unrealistic. All of the stans have the mountains, as does Turkey, Lebanon and Syria. And winter sport tradition matters, and none of those have a tradition in winter sport.
LiuTian Posted February 9, 2009 Author Report Posted February 9, 2009 Now the Harbin 2009 Winter Universiad will begin... Harbin 2009 Winter Universiad is a test for bidding 2018 Winter Olympics. I think Harbin has the ability to host wonderful Games. The people here are very very enthusiastic to WOG. But could the world give China another chance ? Let's wait and see.
jim jones Posted February 9, 2009 Report Posted February 9, 2009 This is were people here don't get it. General Electric , Mc Donalds , GE's TV network NBC and a host of other Corporate Giants made a ton of Money off Beijing 2008 and they will want more from China Via a near future Winter Olympics. Who exactly is going to host in 2018 ? Munich ? Back to Back Europe 2014 and 2018 ? Canada ? The US is not Bidding on 2018 and Canada probably isn't either. Considering the Cooperation NBC got from Beijing 2008 and the record high ratings it has to be said Money will rule this and the largest amount of money for World Partners is in China not Germany. CHina just pasted Germany for size of their economy. All that China will need to do in the future is increase the TV rights packages for the Olympics and they will certainly be of much great value directly for the IOC then South Korea. South Korea pays Peanuts for the TV rights. They have a worldwide partner but so will China in the future . What does Germany bring for Worldwide partners ? DICK Nothing . jim jones
Rob2012 Posted February 9, 2009 Report Posted February 9, 2009 Call me a cynic, but your record at picking winners is patchy Jim.
jim jones Posted February 9, 2009 Report Posted February 9, 2009 Call me a cynic, but your record at picking winners is patchy Jim. Well think about this for a Second . 2006 2014 and 2018 all being in Europe. North America is not bidding 2018 that is very certain. A European string like that has happened before but with countries that even Jacques Rogge is saying will likely not host like Norway with LillyHammer 1994 and at a time that commercial partners were not that factor they are today. The last time we had a run like that with Europe was Savejavo 1984, Albertville 1992 and LillyHammer 1994. Considering it would be 20 years from Asian Host to Asian of the Games and now Asia is upping their standing at the Winter Olympics I would say the chances are better that they go to Asia in 2018 whether Harbin or South Korea. Not predicting Harbin but those pictures look very good to me . The tons of GE medical imaging machines going to China along with other commercial deals via the 2008 games pleases the IOC's Funders the Worldwide Partners. Keeping the gravy train rolling into IOC headquarters is a factor not to be ignored . Jim jones
Rob2012 Posted February 9, 2009 Report Posted February 9, 2009 I agree that it's likely to be in Asia, I was just having a dig at your expense.
jim jones Posted February 9, 2009 Report Posted February 9, 2009 I agree that it's likely to be in Asia, I was just having a dig at your expense. Well you have to admit besides the Winter olympics in 2018 Harbin certainly looks like a place that can host via those pictures Quebec with one of the better known Winter carnivals has nothing on Harbin for those Ice Castles. Chateau Frontinac is fantastic and the old city of Quebec is one of my favorites but Harbin seems out of this world. Quebec City in the Future I can see hosting thou the Alpine ski run is the biggest problem. Quebec City or Montreal are probably going to be the only two places in the Eastern Time zone that will ever do the winter olympics and I frankly would not think Montreal for a great long while. Jim Jones
Faster Posted February 9, 2009 Report Posted February 9, 2009 It's Lillehammer not LillyHammer dumbass. China is a limited winter market, most of the country (most of the country with money) is in the subtropics not winter material and the IOC is going to frown on using disputed territory for the alpine skiing like they did in 2010 when Harbin bid. Not to mention the skiing is a considerable distance outside of Harbin, more so than any host.
LiuTian Posted February 10, 2009 Author Report Posted February 10, 2009 It's Lillehammer not LillyHammer dumbass. the IOC is going to frown on using disputed territory for the alpine skiing like they did in 2010 when Harbin bid. I notice that you mentioned more than once about the "disputed territory", to be honest it's my first time heard there is a "disputed territory" near Harbin ~~ But I have to ask which country does this territorial dispute ? South Korea ?? South Korea and China simply do not border ~~
Faster Posted February 10, 2009 Report Posted February 10, 2009 Baitou Mountain area with North Korea. The border is undefined.
LiuTian Posted February 10, 2009 Author Report Posted February 10, 2009 Baitou Mountain area with North Korea. The border is undefined. It's Ridiculous. Baitou Mountain (We call it Changbai Moutain) is in Jilin Province. But Yabuli, Harbin is in the Heilongjiang Provice, and have nothing to do with Baitou Mountain. I'd like to show you from the pic below. You see, Yabuli and Harbin is far from Baitou Moutain and Korea...
Sir Rols Posted February 10, 2009 Report Posted February 10, 2009 Looks pretty close to the border to me!
Rob2012 Posted February 10, 2009 Report Posted February 10, 2009 Well, Sochi is almost on top of disputed territory...
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