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I know there were some dirty tricks pulled to get this and dirtier tricks to try and make it happen, but eight years or so until it is supposed to go down, I just can't help feeling that FIFA World Cup 2022 Qatar is not going to happen. We all remember FIFA World Cup 1986 Columbia...Mexico? I may have to eat my words later, but this is just how I feel.

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I know there were some dirty tricks pulled to get this and dirtier tricks to try and make it happen, but eight years or so until it is supposed to go down, I just can't help feeling that FIFA World Cup 2022 Qatar is not going to happen. We all remember FIFA World Cup 1986 Columbia...Mexico? I may have to eat my words later, but this is just how I feel.

Columbia wasn't stripped from hosting rights by FIFA though, they just resigned themselves due to financial problems. Qatarians won't resign and I don't really see convincing reasons why FIFA should repeat 2022 bid procedure.

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Columbia wasn't stripped from hosting rights by FIFA though, they just resigned themselves due to financial problems. Qatarians won't resign and I don't really see convincing reasons why FIFA should repeat 2022 bid procedure.

Oh my, you see no reason. Ok. Bribery. Slave Workers. Political Issues.

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Bribery.

No proof has been found.

Political issues? U're finding fault with all the awardees. There is NO perfect candidate/host. I guess that's why you'll never be on the IOC or FIFA rolls.

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No proof has been found.

Political issues? U're finding fault with all the awardees. There is NO perfect candidate/host. I guess that's why you'll never be on the IOC or FIFA rolls.

Oh come on. Probably 90 Per cent of Non-Qatarie's think that they brought the World Cup. A country that has never qualified for a World Cup, who hasn't contributed to the Football World and a Small country and also a country in the middle of no where. If that is not bribery, then I want to know what is.

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Oh come on. Probably 90 Per cent of Non-Qatarie's think that they brought the World Cup. A country that has never qualified for a World Cup, who hasn't contributed to the Football World and a Small country and also a country in the middle of no where. If that is not bribery, then I want to know what is.

Where's your proof?? The special counsel, Michael Garcia, hasn't come out with anything. You will probably need to take some basic law courses, young man.

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Oh come on. Probably 90 Per cent of Non-Qatarie's think that they brought the World Cup. A country that has never qualified for a World Cup, who hasn't contributed to the Football World and a Small country and also a country in the middle of no where. If that is not bribery, then I want to know what is.

I wouldn't say 90%, but a lot of people certainly do. Especially with all the internal bribery allegations that surfaced post selection.

Where's your proof?? The special counsel, Michael Garcia, hasn't come out with anything. You will probably need to take some basic law courses, young man.

I agree, no definitive proof from FIFA itself. And as I said above, I wouldn't say 90% of people believe it was bribery, but a large number do. And again, no definitive proof from people like Garcia, but the internal and scandalous allegations that surfaced post selection do point to a good possibility of bribery. But who isn't to say that bribery hasn't been involved for a long time with FIFA, it just so happened that this time it was Qatar.

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You will probably need to take some basic law courses, young man.

also, young man, where do you think you're going at this time of night, and for god's sake, take out the garbage already.

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Oh come on. Probably 90 Per cent of Non-Qatarie's think that they brought the World Cup. A country that has never qualified for a World Cup, who hasn't contributed to the Football World and a Small country and also a country in the middle of no where. If that is not bribery, then I want to know what is.

Tony, here's the problem. When you're talking about bribery and worker conditions and the like, do you think FIFA was blissfully unaware of these things when they awarded Qatar the World Cup? If there were allegations of bribery, that's on FIFA as much as it is on Qatar. Here's the problem.. proof or not, what's the mechanism where by which FIFA can say to Qatar that they're taking the World Cup away from them and awarding it to someone else? Is FIFA prepared for the political fallout of that? They know they already screwed this one up big time, but they made their bed and now they have to lay in it.

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People forget that FIFA was getting ready to give USA94 the boot if US Soccer didn't elect Alan Rothenberg as the new USSF President in 1990.

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People forget that FIFA was getting ready to give USA94 the boot if US Soccer didn't elect Alan Rothenberg as the new USSF President in 1990.

First time I hear that. Kissinger was the big gun behind the 1994 bid. He still had a lot of prestige and connections then.

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Oh my, you see no reason. Ok. Bribery. Slave Workers. Political Issues.

Three important points to this matter:

-Bribery: Personal opinions aside, you need verifable proof to make this accusation factical. Legally, you can't procede without the concrete or circunstancial evidences and only suspisions. Also quaker made another point, this is a correlaction decision.

-Political issues: Define that, because it's a big espectrum of variables. And as we know with Sochi breakdown, unless the country came in a civil war, it won't happen for that reason.

-Slave Workers: Terrible issue, but unfortunally Qatar isn't alone in this aspect -The other countries aren't white doves-. And still it couldn't be a great reason to pull off the World Cup. China has a terrible record in human rights, South Africa has high levels of violence and Russia is close to Islamist terrorism and Putin as a neofascist leader.

The only two reasons I could see with weight to pull off the FIFA World Cup: a. An inminent civil or regional war or b. A financial breakdown. If we extend the mark the weather.

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I think he maybe tried to mean FIFA had to choose Qatar due to political pressures from France and Germany. If he meant not,Tony's "political issues" dosen't make sense to everyone. I don't think Qatar has major political issues.

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Tony, here's the problem. When you're talking about bribery and worker conditions and the like, do you think FIFA was blissfully unaware of these things when they awarded Qatar the World Cup? If there were allegations of bribery, that's on FIFA as much as it is on Qatar. Here's the problem.. proof or not, what's the mechanism where by which FIFA can say to Qatar that they're taking the World Cup away from them and awarding it to someone else? Is FIFA prepared for the political fallout of that? They know they already screwed this one up big time, but they made their bed and now they have to lay in it.

Exactly. The best hope for FIFA and the world in the future is that when Sepp Blatter eventually retires, there's radical reformation in FIFA with regards to World Cup bidding.

The removal of continental rotation and allowing bidders from any country to bid would be one factor, even if said country was from the same confederation as the previous host. The general idea is that you award the World Cup on who you think is a suitable host and if there is enough bidders from various confederations then there's no need to go back to back unless the bidding field is weak. Perhaps for a fairer result have more eligible voters from various national football associations vote in the election? Similar to the Olympics?

What else do you think?

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Baron, this is what I remember of all that. FIFA was less than enamored with the way things were being run by then USSF President Werner Fricker and the leadership of the OC which was Scott LeTellier and Chuck Cale. They had signed a TV deal with NBC and SportsChannel America which in FIFA's eyes was for way too little money. So FIFA convinced Rothenburg (a known quantity to them from his serving as LAOOC commissioner for soccer in 1984) to run against Fricker with the less than subtle hint that Rothenburg had better win or else. Rothenburg won. Don't know much of Kissinger's role in this, but his experience may have come in handy if FIFA did try to take the cup away from us.

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-Slave Workers: Terrible issue, but unfortunally Qatar isn't alone in this aspect -The other countries aren't white doves-. And still it couldn't be a great reason to pull off the World Cup. China has a terrible record in human rights, South Africa has high levels of violence and Russia is close to Islamist terrorism and Putin as a neofascist leader.

this is not an adequate rebuttal to this point, if that's what you meant. "other countries do it" is completely irrelevant, and we've spoken ad nauseum about china's human rights abuses. i don't see what that has to do with making qatar an unfit host.

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this is not an adequate rebuttal to this point, if that's what you meant. "other countries do it" is completely irrelevant, and we've spoken ad nauseum about china's human rights abuses. i don't see what that has to do with making qatar an unfit host.

What I understand from Roger's post is not so much about the issues at hand (literally) but more the ambiguoity in branding one nation a fit host, and another not one. Admittedly I have similar reservations to Tony about Qatar 2022, but Roger's point can extent to the attitude many Westerners (particularly English speakers) have towards difference.

"Other countries do it" - While I wouldn't have voted for Qatar on its human rights issues alone, its clear that a precedence has been set - and where do we draw the line? What is acceptable rights? Should these organisations be following international agreement on such issues, and which ones? Its all a grey area. FIFA probably needs to take responsibility for its own powerful influence and began to engage more with organisations like the IOC has done.

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In my view and many others view around the Football World, my England should of had the 2018 Fifa World Cup, and 2022, the other 4 Bidders have all contributed to Football, unlike Qatar that just buy's what they want instead of earning it. I think Australia should of had the 2022 Fifa World Cup. Qatar has contributed absolutely nothing to Football, while Japan, South Korea and Usa have all hosted it, Australia hasn't.


Not to mention there problems with Israel, Alcohol and Homosexuality is illegal in Qatar. Come on, even me as a straight man thinks that Homosexuality is a way of life and should NOT be discriminated. How can Homosexuality be illegal. It's not there fault they were born that way. Also, they are not hurting anyone.

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Homosexuality is not a way of life. It is a sexual orientation.

Let me put it this way, homosexuality is akin to liking licorice, some people do, most people don't. It's not a way of life. It's an innate difference. As a homsexual, I can confidently say, I do no have a different lifestyle because of it.

You may not be Homophobic, but you don't seem to be the most knowledgeable either.

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Homosexuality is not a way of life. It is a sexual orientation.

Let me put it this way, homosexuality is akin to liking licorice, some people do, most people don't. It's not a way of life. It's an innate difference. As a homsexual, I can confidently say, I do no have a different lifestyle because of it.

You may not be Homophobic, but you don't seem to be the most knowledgeable either.

Sorry if I offended you. I was trying to support Homosexuality, because how Qatar treat Homosexuality is completely wrong and you should be treated equal like the rest of us.

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It's not a matter of "us vs them"

We are not different to you.

Heck, I shouldn't be using the word "we"

I am a human, you are a human, we have many differences, yet we are the same, and deserve the same basic rights as each other. Not because homosexual/bisexuals/transexuals should be treated the same as heterosexuals, but because we are all human.

You didn't offend me, I have a thick skin. I just felt I should point out this flaw.

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It's not a matter of "us vs them"

We are not different to you.

Heck, I shouldn't be using the word "we"

I am a human, you are a human, we have many differences, yet we are the same, and deserve the same basic rights as each other. Not because homosexual/bisexuals/transexuals should be treated the same as heterosexuals, but because we are all human.

You didn't offend me, I have a thick skin. I just felt I should point out this flaw.

That's my point, we should all be treated equally whether it's race, religion, sexual orientation or political views. We are all Humans. We should be treated the same. I am agreeing with you.

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Yeah, Tony. Shudda-cudda. Again, you as a westerner are imposing your liberal views on theocratic muslim societies who believe otherwise. They're not going to change their centuries-old lifestyle and beliefs just becuz it's become fashionable for westeners to picket and raise their voices. If you don't like it; just stay away from the Middle East. Don't buy their gas. But your North Sea gas if you have to. Simple. Sochi 2014 will come and ago; and that law of Russia will still be in place for 2018.

BTW, last night ABC premiered an 8 part mini-series on the biggest double-spy expose of CIA agents in the USSR in the 80s and 90s. It's called THE ASSETS. SHould show you how the USSR/KGB/GRU operated even under Gorbachev's time -- and you'll understand the mindset and culture Vladimir Putin grew up in, came from and how he rules today. Should give u a more realistic view of life.

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Yeah, Tony. Shudda-cudda. Again, you as a westerner are imposing your liberal views on theocratic muslim societies who believe otherwise. They're not going to change their centuries-old lifestyle and beliefs just becuz it's become fashionable for westeners to picket and raise their voices. If you don't like it; just stay away from the Middle East. Don't buy their gas. But your North Sea gas if you have to. Simple. Sochi 2014 will come and ago; and that law of Russia will still be in place for 2018.

BTW, last night ABC premiered an 8 part mini-series on the biggest double-spy expose of CIA agents in the USSR in the 80s and 90s. It's called THE ASSETS. SHould show you how the USSR/KGB/GRU operated even under Gorbachev's time -- and you'll understand the mindset and culture Vladimir Putin grew up in, came from and how he rules today. Should give u a more realistic view of life.

As an Englishman, I don't really understand American Politics, so I don't know what Liberals stand for. The Party I support is the Labour Party over here. Could you explain the basic's of Liberal's views please, and then I can relate. Thanks.

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