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For Moscow 1980, NBC took out cancellation coverage with Lloyds for $4.5 mil to cover their $87 million rights fee then. When the US bailed out, that premium is about what NBC lost for their 1980 attempt. They nearly got their $87 mil investment back. Since then, the US networks' contracts w/ the IOC have some "guaranteed nights' numbers' wherein the IOC guarantees the network certain viewership numbers based on the content -- which is why, the IOC can reschedule the highly watched certain swimming and T&F finals to suit NBC. And if the competition sked changes and NBC does not meet its contracted viewership rates, the IOC reimburses NBC on those certain days.

(The 'guaranteed nights' numbers are those nights which fall in Sweeps week.)

Networks use the data Nielsen gathers during each period to set local advertising rates; national rates, which comprise the bulk of TV ad revenue, are set separately and based on year-round data from select families. Still, local ads are a big chunk of a TV network's revenue, so when sweeps week — er, weeks — roll around, they try and game the system by doing just about anything to make sure you tune in.

Read more: http://content.time.com/time/arts/article/0,8599,1883157,00.html#ixzz2i6JxBSG1

I am sure the FIFA contracts are constructed on similar terms. And I hope Fox (and the other networks) have taken out their own cancellation insurance with Lloyds.

An explanation of "Sweeps week:' http://content.time.com/time/arts/article/0,8599,1883157,00.html

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We've also made it out of the knock-out round more recently.

Tony if I see you say England should be given the hosting rights one more time I will throw my computer. This is really getting old pal. There's nothing wrong with Russia hosting in 2018 and 2022 shou

Someone needs to sue FIFA over this mess. Rivals bidders, European leagues and clubs, TV networks, sponsors, players...all are being mucked about because of FIFA's inability to think properly. The bi

They absolutely can.

You're right, FIFA has an international calendar and the clubs must release their players during the official match dates some of which may mean even long absences like in African Championship tournament that is played in January or February. In practice though, if the World Cup was played in winter I believe FIFA couldn't do it if the major leagues didn't give their consent, because that could be really harmful to their authority that's already being questioned. If however there was only one league opposing the switch, most likely the English PL, then FIFA could go along with this plan.

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For Moscow 1980, NBC took out cancellation coverage with Lloyds for $4.5 mil to cover their $87 million rights fee then. When the US bailed out, that premium is about what NBC lost for their 1980 attempt. They nearly got their $87 mil investment back. Since then, the US networks' contracts w/ the IOC have some "guaranteed nights' numbers' wherein the IOC guarantees the network certain viewership numbers based on the content -- which is why, the IOC can reschedule the highly watched certain swimming and T&F finals to suit NBC. And if the competition sked changes and NBC does not meet its contracted viewership rates, the IOC reimburses NBC on those certain days.

Good info, baron. I knew there was some sort of insurance premium NBC had for the Moscow Olympics. Wasn't sure of the details though. In doing a little research.. apparently NBC recouped about 90% of the money they had laid out for rights fees. Where they got burned though is in the preparation expenses associated with the Olympics. That money they didn't get back so in all, they wound up losing around $34 million (which is a shame for them, because apparently ad sales had been going very well and NBC was expecting to make a nice profit). Also worth noting, I came across an article from June of 1987, around the time the civil unrest in Seoul led to questions of whether or not they could host the Olympics or if they would have to be moved. Obviously NBC was smart enough to protect themselves against another boycott, and the idea was floated that if the Olympics were moved, the IOC might have to re-open bidding for their TV contracts.

So here we have Qatar 2022. The TV rights in the United States were awarded in October of 2011, so a little less than a year after Qatar had won the bid to host. Even then, we were already hearing rumblings that the World Cup might have to be moved on the calendar and/or Qatar's ability to host the event. I have to imagine they were smart enough to work some language into their contract to protect against that.

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Fair enough, you found a hole in my argument

But about your Stanley Cup Finals comparison, that is simply evidence of my point that people are drawn to a game that features the United States. I would like to see ratings compared to the Slovenia- Algeria match for example.

The NHL is also a weak target to attack mrcatra. Everyone knows hockey is far and away the least popular of the four major professional sports in most of the United States, so it isn't much of a surprise that a game featuring the United States rates higher.

It had better rantings the NBA too, but since you're canadian I thought you'd value Stanley Cup more so my point would be better understood.

Now about Slovenia - Algeria. Did they broadcast that game to the US? That wouldn't have great ratings in no part of the globe outside of Slovenia/Slovakia (are they rivals? SImilar name, so I'll assume they were once connected but a trivial problem the brother countries separed and now they hate eachother with passion :D) and Algeria. Such a game would be on premium cable in most part of the world.

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Now about Slovenia - Algeria. Did they broadcast that game to the US? That wouldn't have great ratings in no part of the globe outside of Slovenia/Slovakia (are they rivals? SImilar name, so I'll assume they were once connected but a trivial problem the brother countries separed and now they hate eachother with passion :D) and Algeria. Such a game would be on premium cable in most part of the world.

I have no idea what you are saying....

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MrCatra, let's make a deal here.. us North Americans won't claim to know how much people care about soccer in the rest of the world if you let us be the experts on what will happen with television ratings here.

If the World Cup is held late in the year (i.e. November-December), Fox is going to lose out big time. That's pretty much a guarantee. You put World Cup games up against full Saturdays and Sundays of football (not to mention all the other sports going on then.. hockey, basketball, college basketball all in full swing then) and it's going to buried. As for the contract.. not sure if Fox was smart enough to put in any provisions for when the World Cup is held, but considering that happened with the host country bids, I have to imagine Fox has some language in their contracts about it. Even if it doesn't, I'm sure there were some technical details such as how many hours of coverage there would be, how many games would be on free-to-air television as opposed to cable networks. To clash with NFL and college football means that Fox is no longer able to fulfill their end of the contract. At that point, FIFA would almost be better served to re-open the bidding for that TV contract and there's no way they'd get as much money for a November-December World Cup as they would for one during the summer where there's much less going on in the sports world in the United States and big event programming is much more valuable.

Come on, Mr.Quaker. Don't act so condescend with me. I know NFL is huge in the US and A.

They wouldn't lose much, I meant, because the niche group that loves 'soccer' usually don't like 'football'.

I mean: girls, latinos, europeans descendants...

Do you have numbers showing the overlap in the fanbases is bigger than I thought? FIFA would need to avoid having USA games on a Sunday, tho.

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I have no idea what you are saying....

Your argument, as I understood, is: USA vs. England drew good ratings not because of real football followers but because it was an game involving US and A. So you expanded by asking the ratings from Algéria vs. Slovenia to compare with the US and A game so you could prove your point.

So firstly I let you know I doubt such game was broadcast in the US, therefore we can't know the real ratings, and secondly I tried to explain to you that even tho, most likely, a Slovenia match would have shitty ratings in the US it still wouldn't make your point valid because it would also have shitty ratings in every corner of Planet Earth. Even in Brazil, and we all know Brazilians love football.

In conclusion: that isn't a good argument at all.

Anyways, I believe you are underrating real Football growth in the US. IIRC it's the most practiced sport in schools in the US and with the growing concern over safety of the practitioners of other "violent" sports that are popular in the US, real football will only grow.

Thx sawker mons. We love ya. :)

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Your argument, as I understood, is: USA vs. England drew good ratings not because of real football followers but because it was an game involving US and A. So you expanded by asking the ratings from Algéria vs. Slovenia to compare with the US and A game so you could prove your point.

So firstly I let you know I doubt such game was broadcast in the US, therefore we can't know the real ratings, and secondly I tried to explain to you that even tho, most likely, a Slovenia match would have shitty ratings in the US it still wouldn't make your point valid because it would also have shitty ratings in every corner of Planet Earth. Even in Brazil, and we all know Brazilians love football.

In conclusion: that isn't a good argument at all.

Anyways, I believe you are underrating real Football growth in the US. IIRC it's the most practiced sport in schools in the US and with the growing concern over safety of the practitioners of other "violent" sports that are popular in the US, real football will only grow.

Thx sawker mons. We love ya. :)

It's a highly practiced sport because it's inexpensive to take up compared to other sports, requires very little equipment and is a simple game to understand. Many people I know played the sport at some point as a kid. However, that does not necessarily mean that they follow the sport professionally or enjoy watching it. Soccer is fun to play don't get me wrong, but that doesn't necessarily mean excellent tv ratings.

As for the Slovenia-Algeria match, it was broadcast in the US and Canada nationally, on live tv, in HD. Both the CBC and ESPN have shown every game in the tournament live on tv for the last few World Cups. However, you are probably right that this is a bad example, but I was pointing out that group stage match numbers probably don't stack up against games featuring Team USA.

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It had better rantings the NBA too, but since you're canadian I thought you'd value Stanley Cup more so my point would be better understood.

Now about Slovenia - Algeria. Did they broadcast that game to the US? That wouldn't have great ratings in no part of the globe outside of Slovenia/Slovakia (are they rivals? SImilar name, so I'll assume they were once connected but a trivial problem the brother countries separed and now they hate eachother with passion :D) and Algeria. Such a game would be on premium cable in most part of the world.

As olympicfan noted, EVERY World Cup game is broadcast in the United States on either basic cable or free-to-air TV. None of the games are on premium channels. Meaning they're available to the majority of the U.S. population. Again, this is what I'm talking about with your lack of understanding of American television. Also.. why do you keep pointing to the USA-England rating. USA-Ghana rated even higher. And if you add up total viewers between ABC and Univision, the final between Spain and Netherlands had more viewers than both of those games.

Come on, Mr.Quaker. Don't act so condescend with me. I know NFL is huge in the US and A.

They wouldn't lose much, I meant, because the niche group that loves 'soccer' usually don't like 'football'.

I mean: girls, latinos, europeans descendants...

Do you have numbers showing the overlap in the fanbases is bigger than I thought? FIFA would need to avoid having USA games on a Sunday, tho.

See, this is what I'm talking about though. Doesn't matter how much of an overlap there is (and I'm surprised you think girls don't watch NFL). When the World Cup is during the summer, a lot of people who watch the NFL but don't care much for soccer will watch the World Cup because there's not all that much going on in the world of sports here (except for baseball, but that's in the middle of a 6-month season). So you'll get those people watching the World Cup. Play it in November and December though and none of those people will be all that interested in following the World Cup, especially on the weekends. All of the sports highlight programs and websites will talk about the NFL first and then they'll talk about the World Cup. As opposed to during the summer where the World Cup will get top billing.

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Anyways, I believe you are underrating real Football growth in the US. IIRC it's the most practiced sport in schools in the US and with the growing concern over safety of the practitioners of other "violent" sports that are popular in the US, real football will only grow.

Thx sawker mons. We love ya. :)

Football (soccer) is a growing sport in this country, no question about it. But to your point.. how many of those kids playing soccer as youngsters and then in school are following soccer when the grow older or watching games on TV? Not so many. The strong ratings you're seeing for some of these World Cup games is because Americans are starting to embrace the World Cup as the big international event the rest of the world already knows it is.

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Qatar World Cup: Winter sports urged to fight date switch

Winter sports federations have been urged to fight any plans to move the 2022 football World Cup to the winter.

Football governing body Fifa has set up a taskforce to consider alternative dates after concerns over high summer temperatures in host country Qatar.

But the International Ski Federation (FIS) fears its sport could suffer.

"FIS will submit a proposal to the six winter sports federations to sign a resolution against organising the World Cup during the winter," it said.

The International Olympic Committee (IOC) is also monitoring Fifa's plans, as any switch of the 2022 World Cup could impact on that year's Winter Olympics.

The 2022 Winter Games take place in January and February and the IOC has previously stated it expects Fifa to consult with it to avoid any clash.

The IOC held a meeting over the weekend, chaired by new president Thomas Bach and attended by Fifa president Sepp Blatter.

Afterwards, it released a statement which read: "With respect to the sports calendar, the participants agreed that any new initiative has to respect the uniqueness of the Olympic Games.

"It means that neither the Olympic programme nor Games revenues should be adversely affected in any way.

"In order to ensure the respect of these principles, the participants agreed to the creation of a consultative working group under the leadership of the IOC, composed of the main stakeholders of the Olympic and sporting movement, which will compile a comprehensive sporting calendar of current events.

"This working group will also discuss the priority of current and future sports events within the global calendar."

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Blatter wants Iran to help co host (along with other Middle Eastern Countries) according to ATR

I found some articles and this is one of them;

Saturday 09 November 2013

News source: The Independent

Sepp Blatter: Qatar World Cup in 2022 could be shared in Gulf

Sepp Blatter has admitted he is open to the possibility of staging the 2022 World Cup in more than one Gulf nation after revealing several countries had offered to co-host the tournament with Qatar.

With a formal decision still to be made over whether it will be staged in the winter, Blatter also indicated that his preference is to start it in November or December rather than January or February.

Asked about the prospect of matches in the tournament being played elsewhere, he said: “I keep a big question mark on this. I have just passed through Iran and, even on a political level, people told me they would be happy to host some of the matches.

“So not even in the Gulf state but in the Middle East in general. The UAE would also be very eager but let’s go step by step. The first step is to see how it can be played in November-December and this shall be until the next World Cup: we have six, nine months to do so.”

Blatter’s comments came before he watched Nigeria beat Meixco in last night’s Under-17 World Cup final in Abu Dhabi and 24 hours before he travels to Doha to meet the Emir of Qatar to discuss the scandal over the alleged mistreatment of foreign workers building the infrastructure necessary for the country to host the World Cup.

FIFA isn't going to wait until 2014 WC? I heard they conclude all about 2022 after Brazil. :wacko:

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i still get my golden christmas present stadium though, right sepp? what about my insane lcd ad scroll and my giant easter basket?

i don't intend to go, just like i never intend to meet carla bruni (flawless--give her the world cup), but i simply do not want to live in a world where these outrageous things do not exist.

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And just ONE DAY later:

3 point mission to Qatar now complete: #1 reconfirmed to Emir & PM that 2022 #WorldCup will be played in Qatar (& NOT shared with anyone)

#2 Discussed possible change to 2022 dates. Consultation process must continue, but Jan/Feb ruled out to avoid Winter Olympics clash

https://twitter.com/SeppBlatter

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It will happen Nov - Dec 2022 period. That's the best time for everybody around. And Doha hosted both the 2006 Asians and the recent Pan Arab Games of 2011.

Best of a bad situation, maybe. Obviously on a worldwide level they needed to avoid the Winter Olympics at all costs (despite what 1 poster here says otherwise), but that's definitely not the best time for it as far as American television viewers are concerned. That'll be a lost World Cup in this country, for sure. Might need to host it here in 2026 to make up for it! :D

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The Winter IFS won't be happy with that timing either.

Nonody will eventually be happy with anything about Qatar 2022, except for the ruling family, some of their fans within FIFA and the team that will win the WC.

It's been heading for disaster from day 1 and obviously Blatter & co. know it but have no idea how to elegantly avoid that disaster now.

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The Winter IFS won't be happy with that timing either.

That's really not so. The Winter athletes are just starting their competitive season then. The Winter sports don't really kick into high gear anyway until the New Year -- and the sponsors for the winter sports don't compete with the summer football sponsors.

For the US market, there'll be competition with US football games...but tough break. It'll only be the Team USA games that'll provide some conflict for the fans. They can always DVR one or the other.

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That's really not so. The Winter athletes are just starting their competitive season then. The Winter spots don't really kick into high gear anyway until the New Year -- and the sponsors for the winter sports don't compete with the summer football sponsors.

For the US market, there'll be competition with US football games...but tough break. It'll only be the Team USA games that'll provide some conflict for the fans. They can always VCR one or the other.

VCR??

What is this, 1991?

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