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Wow, I just arrived to this forum and I´m feeling popular!!  :D

I must explain myself. I said I consider fair if NYC wins, because I read some post against NY that I didn´t like. Of course I support Madrid. If it´s not Madrid, I´d like NYC to get them for 2 reasons:

- Madrid could bid for 2016

- NYC has never hosted the games before. Ok, you can say that the USA have hosted many games, but Pierre de Coubertain said OG goes to cities, not countries.

From the sentimental point of view, I would support my neighbour, Paris.

I never agreed a post so much as I agree with this one, Hilnur! Bienvenido, por cierto  :;):

My prediction:

1) New York (an invitation to 2016 could be more than possible)

2) 4 rounds

3) Paris.

I am not sure if I would place New York second or third in my own preferences, as I also like Paris bid quite a lot in terms of technical aspects. Regarding to NY, it will surely be great games because it is the most cosmopolitan and multicultural city that I know.

I will be happy with both New York and Paris hosting (after Madrid, of course); I'd feel OK and positively surprised if the IOC would trust Moscow and would get surely sick if London were awarded.

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I hope NY gets bounced in the first round.

Although I think Paris will win, I'm rooting for London.

The only good American site for the Olympics is San Francisco, although chances are not good with Stanford stadium thinking of going to a football only stadium.

Sounds like you have never been to either San Francisco or New York :(

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I have a question for all of you:

What do you think is the biggest factor that the IOC members will consider when making their votes?

I think they can remember past bids of each city, they can remember how desappointed was Paris for 1992 and 2008 games, and even if they stay unsure, they can remember how much people of each country wanted games...  :)

We have to think that, those IOC members always work for olympic games, everytime day and night, they live inside olympic games, they surely have feelings about it and how manage it...

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I have a question for all of you:

What do you think is the biggest factor that the IOC members will consider when making their votes?

I think they can remember past bids of each city, they can remember how desappointed was Paris for 1992 and 2008 games, and even if they stay unsure, they can remember how much people of each country wanted games...  :)

We have to think that, those IOC members always work for olympic games, everytime day and night, they live inside olympic games, they surely have feelings about it and how manage it...

Oh yes...excellent memories from voters who thought Atlanta was a gambling resort by the sea.  Another thoughtful comment from Mekky.   :rolleyes:

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for some of you saying NYC will go out first I believe that that is HIGHLY unlikely....they will most likely make it at least until the third round (if it goes that far)...

We all know you proudly pound the drum for NYC and bravo for you.  But everytime a person has an opinion about the NY bid that is contrary to what you believe should not be taken as a personal attack.  Sometimes there is logic behind the thinking, not just political or personal reasoning.

I believe that NYC is the most vulnerable of bids because while it is good (and it is one of my faves), it has its weaknesses.  I'll leave the stadium weakness aside.  That's been discussed to death and we all know about it.

As I see it, the biggest weakness for NYC is that while it may be in nearly everyone's top 3 picks, the members only get one vote at at time.  New York could drop early because it has more second and third choice supporters than it does first choice supporters.

Now while this essentially down to a race between London and Paris, the second and third choice votes are what decide the host city for any Olympaid.

Let's take a simple analogy - the 1976 Games.  Montreal defeated heavily favoured Moscow not because it was the top pick, but because it was the second pick of everyone that had Los Angeles as their first pick.

In this race, Madrid and Moscow probably have more first choice supporters than anticipated because they will be playing up the political side.

If New York survives the first round, things could change and change dramatically, but the way I see it, in that first round New York is in on the chopping block.

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for some of you saying NYC will go out first I believe that that is HIGHLY unlikely....they will most likely make it at least until the third round (if it goes that far)...

We all know you proudly pound the drum for NYC and bravo for you.  But everytime a person has an opinion about the NY bid that is contrary to what you believe should not be taken as a personal attack.  Sometimes there is logic behind the thinking, not just political or personal reasoning.

I believe that NYC is the most vulnerable of bids because while it is good (and it is one of my faves), it has its weaknesses.  I'll leave the stadium weakness aside.  That's been discussed to death and we all know about it.

As I see it, the biggest weakness for NYC is that while it may be in nearly everyone's top 3 picks, the members only get one vote at at time.  New York could drop early because it has more second and third choice supporters than it does first choice supporters.

Now while this essentially down to a race between London and Paris, the second and third choice votes are what decide the host city for any Olympaid.

Let's take a simple analogy - the 1976 Games.  Montreal defeated heavily favoured Moscow not because it was the top pick, but because it was the second pick of everyone that had Los Angeles as their first pick.

In this race, Madrid and Moscow probably have more first choice supporters than anticipated because they will be playing up the political side.

If New York survives the first round, things could change and change dramatically, but the way I see it, in that first round New York is in on the chopping block.

see you and several others need to get something through your heads...I am not offended at all by your opinions but rather am just replying...which last time I checked is allowed without you amking allegations....

and I am sorry, but I think it is pretty safe to say that NYC will survive the first round of voting.....

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It's not safe to say New York will survive at all. I don't think there was any other big publicized setback so close to the vote. And it is true that the majority of impartial polls only rank New York as 3rd or 4th, sometimes 2nd. The question is, will enough voters be swayed enough so it can have enough 1st choice votes?

The thing about Olympic style voting is that some of the better ranked bids or ones that are in the middle of the pack will be out first because the first choice votes are only made up of 100%, clear cut and die hard support without concessions. While New York is ranked higher than Moscow and sometimes Madrid by many people, it won't see as many first round votes as London or Paris even though it may be the second choice of many of those voting for L or P. It's a question if the first choice support from Moscow is too much for the first choice support of NY to handle.

Something similar happened for the 2010 vote. While more people considered Pyeongchang their first choice, almost all people who considered Salzburg their first choice went with Vancouver as their second. And, because of the likeness in second round voting and the reasoning behind it (obvious experience hosting winter sports), it is sensible to suggest that if Vancouver was out in the first round Salzburg would collect the majority of those votes to defeat Pyeongchang.

Some people view voting round results as unfair, with worse bids going one or two rounds farther, but it's only logical. So, if New York does go out in the first round don't take it as a huge insult. It wouldn't make it the worst bid, but it would make it one of the mose threatening.

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I wonder if Rana's "directives" for the latino vote to go to NYC will have a poor effect on Madrid?

I think it's NYC still to win, but would be hapopy with any of them - so it's all good.  GO MOSCOW!

By the way, 2004 was 5 cities, 4 rounds - one was a vote off, so its not technically as round as only two cities were involved..

Stockholm was robbed!

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Why do my eyes blur whenever I see an Argentak post that is more than 3 words long?  I mean my eyes just won't focus.   :shocked:   It doesn't happen with anybody else.

Did you complete the reading assignment, Pierre?  :P

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It's not safe to say New York will survive at all. I don't think there was any other big publicized setback so close to the vote. And it is true that the majority of impartial polls only rank New York as 3rd or 4th, sometimes 2nd. The question is, will enough voters be swayed enough so it can have enough 1st choice votes?

The thing about Olympic style voting is that some of the better ranked bids or ones that are in the middle of the pack will be out first because the first choice votes are only made up of 100%, clear cut and die hard support without concessions. While New York is ranked higher than Moscow and sometimes Madrid by many people, it won't see as many first round votes as London or Paris even though it may be the second choice of many of those voting for L or P. It's a question if the first choice support from Moscow is too much for the first choice support of NY to handle.

Something similar happened for the 2010 vote. While more people considered Pyeongchang their first choice, almost all people who considered Salzburg their first choice went with Vancouver as their second. And, because of the likeness in second round voting and the reasoning behind it (obvious experience hosting winter sports), it is sensible to suggest that if Vancouver was out in the first round Salzburg would collect the majority of those votes to defeat Pyeongchang.

Some people view voting round results as unfair, with worse bids going one or two rounds farther, but it's only logical. So, if New York does go out in the first round don't take it as a huge insult. It wouldn't make it the worst bid, but it would make it one of the mose threatening.

whatever we'll see on July 6th  :D

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Why do my eyes blur whenever I see an Argentak post that is more than 3 words long?  I mean my eyes just won't focus.   :shocked:   It doesn't happen with anybody else.

Did you complete the reading assignment, Pierre?  :P

As I said, it only happens with you, arge.

??? You have a lot of ennemies, haven't you?

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Why do my eyes blur whenever I see an Argentak post that is more than 3 words long?  I mean my eyes just won't focus.   :shocked:   It doesn't happen with anybody else.

Did you complete the reading assignment, Pierre?  :P

As I said, it only happens with you, arge.

??? You have a lot of ennemies, haven't you?

Where have you been?  You just realized that now?  :rolleyes:  I could've swept up and ambushed you in the night, Mikel.  :laughlong:   I just can't stand stupidity.

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1st Round: NY Fails

2nd Round: Moscow fails

3er round: London Fails

4rd round: Madrid wins

And so...

1- New York

2- 4 rounds

3- Madrid

Sorry javieru but where is Paris in all this?  I know I am a London supporter but hey, they are the favourites.  Even if you don't think they can win, they have to come fairly close, don't you think?   ???  ???

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1st Round: NY Fails

2nd Round: Moscow fails

3er round: London Fails

4rd round: Madrid wins

And so...

1- New York

2- 4 rounds

3- Madrid

Sorry javieru but where is Paris in all this?  I know I am a London supporter but hey, they are the favourites.  Even if you don't think they can win, they have to come fairly close, don't you think?   ???  ???

They're second to Madrid!

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