cfm Jeremie Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 Well, it is now official, 4 cities will submit a bid to become the French applicant city for 2018: - Annecy, - Grenoble, - Nice and.... - Pelvoux (500 inhabitants... and it's not a joke). Ok the real applicant city would be Marseilles (see map of the proposed venues here: Southern Alps Games concept) Pelvoux-Marseilles is going to be very spread out (not to mention that the IOC will never consider a bid from such a small village) so I think only Annecy, Grenoble and Nice could somehow come up with a credible bid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citius Altius Fortius Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 Thanks for the information jeremie some remarks Annecy - I don't know this small french city, but I have the impression that this would become another "Albertville" Grenoble - I think it would have the best chance in the international competition Nice - another "Sochi": Olympic Winter Games with beach charm Pelvoux - very unlikely... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted October 22, 2008 Report Share Posted October 22, 2008 I'd like to see Papeete bid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
memorabilia Posted October 22, 2008 Report Share Posted October 22, 2008 Well, it is now official, 4 cities will submit a bid to become the French applicant city for 2018:- Annecy, - Grenoble, - Nice and.... - Pelvoux (500 inhabitants... and it's not a joke). Ok the real applicant city would be Marseilles (see map of the proposed venues here: Southern Alps Games concept) Pelvoux-Marseilles is going to be very spread out (not to mention that the IOC will never consider a bid from such a small village) so I think only Annecy, Grenoble and Nice could somehow come up with a credible bid. Nothing yet official.... Applicant cities have till midnight to submit their applicant letter to the NOC... So we will see.... Less or more of 4 cities ?????????? I think only 3. This last bid is just a joke. That's just communication.... That us just showing us that those people have no idea of what WOG are and what it means to organise them !!! btw, Marseille will not enter the race for WOG. They study a SOG bid and will not fight against Nice, but would probably be supportive with the Riviera's bid !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYCD 2012 Posted October 22, 2008 Report Share Posted October 22, 2008 - Pelvoux (500 inhabitants... and it's not a joke). Ok the real applicant city would be Marseilles (see map of the proposed venues here: Southern Alps Games concept)Pelvoux-Marseilles is going to be very spread out (not to mention that the IOC will never consider a bid from such a small village) so I think only Annecy, Grenoble and Nice could somehow come up with a credible bid. Juding by the distance it is from Turin, there is no way the French Olympics committee would forward their bid let alone the IOC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
memorabilia Posted October 22, 2008 Report Share Posted October 22, 2008 Interview of Pelvoux's mayor, M. Gérard Sémion, this morning in "Le Dauphine" (the most famous newspaper in the French Alps) : «Nous savons que pour certains nous allons passer pour des ridicules mais ce n'est pas grave. L'essentiel, c'est le grand coup de projecteur qui va être mis sur le pays des Ecrins et les Alpes du Sud. Pour pas grand chose financièrement.» => We know that some people will think that we are ridiculous but we don't care. The essential, is that the Ecrins area and the South Alps will be highlighted. And that will cost almost nothing" ........ Everything is said !!!! Some reactions of local politician. Sorry only in french : http://www.ledauphine.com/index.jspz?chain...amp;xtor=RSS-24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cfm Jeremie Posted October 22, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2008 I know it is just a PR thing but they still seem serious about submitting a bid to the French NOC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cfm Jeremie Posted October 22, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2008 Well, now it's official: the CNOSF has confirmed it has received 4 applications and that its questionnaire was sent to Annecy, Grenoble, Nice and Pelvoux. A few more details have leaked about the Pelvoux - Massif des Ecrins bid: it would use the bob track of San Sicario built for Torino, and the Opening Ceremony would take place around the shore of Lac de Serpançon (logistical nightmare). Marseilles would host a least one Ice Stadium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hektor Posted October 22, 2008 Report Share Posted October 22, 2008 Serre-Ponçon http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lac_de_Serre-Pon%C3%A7on Isn't it against Olympic rules to have the Ceremonies out of the host city ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citius Altius Fortius Posted October 22, 2008 Report Share Posted October 22, 2008 I think the French NOC will decide between Annecy and Grenoble... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Couver Posted October 22, 2008 Report Share Posted October 22, 2008 Hi ! To be honest, I really think that a French bid is useless for the Winter Games for the CNOSF has nothing to do with it. All that the officials want is a Paris bid for 2024, more likely for 2024, as a revenge against "London 2012". I think the CNOSF won't support a French bid for the WOG as it should do. As for the 4 bids, the latest one, PELVOUX-ALPES DU SUD, doesn't seem to have any chance: a bid mixing a village, an area, and a big town far away (Marseilles) and including facilities abroad (in Torino) isn't a reliable bid. If ANNECY wins the French race, let's hope that GENEVA won't join the international race ! As for NICE, it first supported GAP (which withdrawn) but finally went on its own. Light chances... too far from the Winter resorts and more likely to be seen as a sea-resort. No second Sotchi Games. At last, GRENOBLE doesn't seem to have so wide a support as its mayor pretends to. The memory of the 1968 WOG with high costs and debts is quite a brake to the bid. Who can tell from all that now? So long ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
memorabilia Posted October 22, 2008 Report Share Posted October 22, 2008 I think the French NOC will decide between Annecy and Grenoble... I think the French NOC will decide between Grenoble and Nice !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
memorabilia Posted October 22, 2008 Report Share Posted October 22, 2008 Hi !To be honest, I really think that a French bid is useless for the Winter Games for the CNOSF has nothing to do with it. All that the officials want is a Paris bid for 2024, more likely for 2024, as a revenge against "London 2012". I think the CNOSF won't support a French bid for the WOG as it should do. As for the 4 bids, the latest one, PELVOUX-ALPES DU SUD, doesn't seem to have any chance: a bid mixing a village, an area, and a big town far away (Marseilles) and including facilities abroad (in Torino) isn't a reliable bid. If ANNECY wins the French race, let's hope that GENEVA won't join the international race ! As for NICE, it first supported GAP (which withdrawn) but finally went on its own. Light chances... too far from the Winter resorts and more likely to be seen as a sea-resort. No second Sotchi Games. At last, GRENOBLE doesn't seem to have so wide a support as its mayor pretends to. The memory of the 1968 WOG with high costs and debts is quite a brake to the bid. I disagree with you my friend. A Winter bid (in fact any bid) is useful for the French NOC. And useful for the sport in general in France. - So first useful for the CNOSF as it has to renew its image... It actually seems old fashion, not dynamic, with any international power.... France needs to be present on the international scene, needs to attend international sports conferences, needs to be inside the IFs, ... So a bid with its lobbying is a good way to succeed... And if one day in 20 years or 40 we want to host the SOG, we should be present every 4 years in the bids process : WOG, SOG, YOG.... and other major sport events. And CNOSF will back this bid with high energy, because they have finally understood that the only way to host SOG is to be part of the Olympic Family and not just a spectator... even if they manage to have the best bid and host the WOG. It will benefit to a SOG bid, ok not in 10 years but more in 20 years... but without it, with a no bid politics you will have to wait 50 years.... - And useful for the sport in France, as our country is not a sport country.... We need to have goals as to host International Events to boost the practice of sport and the place of sport in our life (everyday, at school, ...). And in the past we had good example that hosting or bidding was also good for the mood of our citizens... And another point, is regarding the equipments (sports arenas, transportation, accommodation, ...). Even if its point is often not understood by the mass ! Even if you don't host the event, all the studies, all the plans realised during the bid process will help to boost the changes of your city. Your politicians and economic leaders will have new ideas to improve you city and be ready for the new decade !!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cfm Jeremie Posted October 22, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2008 I think the French NOC will decide between Grenoble and Nice !!! Agreed. Wonder whether Sarkozy's ties with Estrosi will help Nice or not. I think Nice would have too much of a Sochi flavour (Games on the riveria) while Grenoble will have a hard time marketing itself having already hosted (but then it will be 50 years in 2018)... But I think both of them can put up a decent bid that would most likely make the IOC shortlist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cfm Jeremie Posted October 22, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2008 I disagree with you my friend.A Winter bid (in fact any bid) is useful for the French NOC. And useful for the sport in general in France. - So first useful for the CNOSF as it has to renew its image... It actually seems old fashion, not dynamic, with any international power.... France needs to be present on the international scene, needs to attend international sports conferences, needs to be inside the IFs, ... So a bid with its lobbying is a good way to succeed... And if one day in 20 years or 40 we want to host the SOG, we should be present every 4 years in the bids process : WOG, SOG, YOG.... and other major sport events. And CNOSF will back this bid with high energy, because they have finally understood that the only way to host SOG is to be part of the Olympic Family and not just a spectator... even if they manage to have the best bid and host the WOG. It will benefit to a SOG bid, ok not in 10 years but more in 20 years... but without it, with a no bid politics you will have to wait 50 years.... - And useful for the sport in France, as our country is not a sport country.... We need to have goals as to host International Events to boost the practice of sport and the place of sport in our life (everyday, at school, ...). And in the past we had good example that hosting or bidding was also good for the mood of our citizens... And another point, is regarding the equipments (sports arenas, transportation, accommodation, ...). Even if its point is often not understood by the mass ! Even if you don't host the event, all the studies, all the plans realised during the bid process will help to boost the changes of your city. Your politicians and economic leaders will have new ideas to improve you city and be ready for the new decade !!!! Amen to all that. I am glad the CNOSF seems to finally have waken up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
memorabilia Posted October 22, 2008 Report Share Posted October 22, 2008 Agreed.Wonder whether Sarkozy's ties with Estrosi will help Nice or not. I think Nice would have too much of a Sochi flavour (Games on the riveria) while Grenoble will have a hard time marketing itself having already hosted (but then it will be 50 years in 2018)... But I think both of them can put up a decent bid that would most likely make the IOC shortlist. Personally, I am not a Grenoble Fan. I think, that a city that already hosted the Games should not be allowed on the race again. Grenoble had already had its time 40 years ago. Already investments to modernize its roads, trains, accommodation and ski resorts. Ok, it was a long time ago, but now days it's time for Haute Savoie (Chamonix was age of us, and the olympics were not what they are now days) or South Alps. Annecy has my suffrage.... So beautiful city where it feels good living. But I know it's not its time. So the second choice will be Grenoble. My first one stays Nice. I already explained on those forums (that before the election of Socchi) I made at the beginning of 2006 a Fantasy GamesBids Contest with a Monaco's Bid !!!! I truly believe in the concept.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
memorabilia Posted October 22, 2008 Report Share Posted October 22, 2008 Hi !As for NICE, it first supported GAP (which withdrawn) but finally went on its own. Light chances... too far from the Winter resorts and more likely to be seen as a sea-resort. No second Sotchi Games. Too far ???? Sea-resort ???? I paste here a part of one my post from a few weeks ago in 2018 forum ; For sure, Nice is not famous for its snow ! But, I did not remember to see a lot of snow in the streets of Torino during the 2006 games... And regarding Vancouver in 2010, it's raining a lot downtown, but very few snow and generally that melt after a few hours... About distance, nowdays (so before the new road infrastructures for Nice) : Nice -> Isola 2000 (main station) : 94km in 1h33 For memory Albertville -> Val d'Isere : 86 km in 1h21 Torino -> Sestriere : 100 km in 1h26 Vancouver -> Whistler : 115 km in 1h40 Munich -> Berchtesgaden : 156 km in 1h37 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faster Posted October 23, 2008 Report Share Posted October 23, 2008 Interesting that France would go for a Winter Games when most consider France with Germany's full backing the predominate favourite to land the 2016 European Championships of Football. I personally see little chance of a French bid winning but the idea of Nice is not a bad one. Savoy is a beautiful region but the proximity to Torino and in the same mold of the two most recent bids leaves Munich in a very strong position to be the preeminent bid out of Europe for 2018. It actually has a winter-feel in the city during winter, I mean it doesn't have the 10 inches of snow that Salt Lake City averages but it is not that bad. This coastal experiment is weird but I guess the old IOC members don't want to be in -10 degree weather any more so they would rather spend their time on beach front resorts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
memorabilia Posted October 23, 2008 Report Share Posted October 23, 2008 The french pre-applicant questionaire is online : http://www.franceolympique.com/files/File/olympisme/procedureselectionjo2018.pdf ://http://www.franceolympique.com/file...tionjo2018.pdf ://http://www.franceolympique.com/file...tionjo2018.pdf ://http://www.franceolympique.com/file...tionjo2018.pdf Only in french, sorry.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Couver Posted October 23, 2008 Report Share Posted October 23, 2008 I disagree with you my friend.A Winter bid (in fact any bid) is useful for the French NOC. And useful for the sport in general in France. - So first useful for the CNOSF as it has to renew its image... It actually seems old fashion, not dynamic, with any international power.... France needs to be present on the international scene, needs to attend international sports conferences, needs to be inside the IFs, ... So a bid with its lobbying is a good way to succeed... And if one day in 20 years or 40 we want to host the SOG, we should be present every 4 years in the bids process : WOG, SOG, YOG.... and other major sport events. And CNOSF will back this bid with high energy, because they have finally understood that the only way to host SOG is to be part of the Olympic Family and not just a spectator... even if they manage to have the best bid and host the WOG. It will benefit to a SOG bid, ok not in 10 years but more in 20 years... but without it, with a no bid politics you will have to wait 50 years.... - And useful for the sport in France, as our country is not a sport country.... We need to have goals as to host International Events to boost the practice of sport and the place of sport in our life (everyday, at school, ...). And in the past we had good example that hosting or bidding was also good for the mood of our citizens... And another point, is regarding the equipments (sports arenas, transportation, accommodation, ...). Even if its point is often not understood by the mass ! Even if you don't host the event, all the studies, all the plans realised during the bid process will help to boost the changes of your city. Your politicians and economic leaders will have new ideas to improve you city and be ready for the new decade !!!! Hi Friend ! Things would be wonderful if all that you write becam real. As a matter of fact, I do really believe that the CNOSF won't be of a big support for a French 2018 bid. A French tradition is to quarrel over bits and pieces, so, firts, it won't be easy to chose between the four candidate places without making resentment grow. Second, even if the CNOSF says it has finally realized thet bidding for the WOG would be a good point if France wants to bid later for the SOG, the CNOSF is quite reluctant to a winter bid since it prefers again and again a Paris bid for 2024. But Paris is not France !!! And for the 2024 SOG, other applicants may send Paris back to its files and folders, just like London did in 2005 for the 2012 SOG. And then what? No 2024 Paris Games, and no 2018 French WOG because of a lack of strong support from the CNOSF. So long ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cfm Jeremie Posted October 23, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2008 Actually, I think there has been a change of heart within the CNOSF about the 2018 WOG. A year ago, I would have been very sceptical about the CNOSF backing a 2018 bid... But I have met a lot of people in Beijing that make me think that after all the CNOSF might submit a bid for 2018 and not only to prepare a future Summer Games bid: as has been stated before, France needs to get more involved in the Olympic Movement. We'll see how it goes but I would be very surprised if the CNOSF backs a bid with no chance of winning: if the French applicant city was not to make the shortlist, it would be a disaster. The fact the the CNOSF is much more transparent about the whole procedure than it has ever been in the past (the French Evaluation Commission report, on the basis of which the CNOSF will decide or not to submit a bid and select the applicant city, will be made public), makes me think that things are slowly changing. It's far too early to tell that the CNOSF won't fully back the French 2018 bid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchy Posted October 25, 2008 Report Share Posted October 25, 2008 I disagree with you my friend. A Winter bid (in fact any bid) is useful for the French NOC. And useful for the sport in general in France. - So first useful for the CNOSF as it has to renew its image... It actually seems old fashion, not dynamic, with any international power.... France needs to be present on the international scene, needs to attend international sports conferences, needs to be inside the IFs, ... So a bid with its lobbying is a good way to succeed... And if one day in 20 years or 40 we want to host the SOG, we should be present every 4 years in the bids process : WOG, SOG, YOG.... and other major sport events. And CNOSF will back this bid with high energy, because they have finally understood that the only way to host SOG is to be part of the Olympic Family and not just a spectator... even if they manage to have the best bid and host the WOG. It will benefit to a SOG bid, ok not in 10 years but more in 20 years... but without it, with a no bid politics you will have to wait 50 years.... - And useful for the sport in France, as our country is not a sport country.... We need to have goals as to host International Events to boost the practice of sport and the place of sport in our life (everyday, at school, ...). And in the past we had good example that hosting or bidding was also good for the mood of our citizens... And another point, is regarding the equipments (sports arenas, transportation, accommodation, ...). Even if its point is often not understood by the mass ! Even if you don't host the event, all the studies, all the plans realised during the bid process will help to boost the changes of your city. Your politicians and economic leaders will have new ideas to improve you city and be ready for the new decade !!!! Amen to all that. I am glad the CNOSF seems to finally have waken up! Rubbish! France has always been only too keen to be present on the international sporting scene. Unfortunately it has always been met with disdain by the anglophile majority who won't allow anyone else but themselves in what they see as their private back yard. And before you accuse me of being a paranoid French sour grape cry baby, let be give two examples: * repeated attempts by McQuaid of the UCI to sabotage the Tour de France, the jewel in the French sporting crown. Thankfully, it failed. * when Jean François Lamour was touted to succeed Dick Pound at the WADA, Australia, New Zealand and the USA engineered a last minute "coup" to have him removed. Now the agency is run by a New Zealander who knows next to nothing about doping in sport. As for France's bid to the 2018 WOG, it's just a face saving exercise by Serandour who is trying to get people to forget his incompetence as head of the CNOSF (his management of the French "badge" incident before Beijing 2008 was downright shameful....). As I already said elsewhere, either France will be ignored for the 2018 WOGs, or it will be awarded the games if only to keep Paris away from a 2020/2024 SOG bid. Whatever the result it'll be a lose/lose situation.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cfm Jeremie Posted October 25, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2008 Amen to all that.I am glad the CNOSF seems to finally have waken up! Rubbish! France has always been only too keen to be present on the international sporting scene. Unfortunately it has always been met with disdain by the anglophile majority who won't allow anyone else but themselves in what they see as their private back yard. And before you accuse me of being a paranoid French sour grape cry baby, let be give two examples: * repeated attempts by McQuaid of the UCI to sabotage the Tour de France, the jewel in the French sporting crown. Thankfully, it failed. * when Jean François Lamour was touted to succeed Dick Pound at the WADA, Australia, New Zealand and the USA engineered a last minute "coup" to have him removed. Now the agency is run by a New Zealander who knows next to nothing about doping in sport. As for France's bid to the 2018 WOG, it's just a face saving exercise by Serandour who is trying to get people to forget his incompetence as head of the CNOSF (his management of the French "badge" incident before Beijing 2008 was downright shameful....). As I already said elsewhere, either France will be ignored for the 2018 WOGs, or it will be awarded the games if only to keep Paris away from a 2020/2024 SOG bid. Whatever the result it'll be a lose/lose situation.... Let's look at a few facts: How many French IF President compared to let's say Italy? (answer : one, René Roch who never managed to get elected to the IOC) When was there a French IOC Members on the Executive Board for the last time? Except Killy, the French IOC members are non-existant and (former IOC member) Serandour and Drut both managed to get warning from the Ethics Commission The CNOSF is well known in the Olympic Movement for spending more time defending French language than anything else. Look at how many Paris presenters spoke a foreign language during Paris 2012 presentation compared to London where both Craig Reedie and Tony Blair spoke French: it's only a symbol but it tells a lot. The CNOSF has failed for years getting a French athletes elected to the IOC athletes commission because it preferred putting forward athletes popular among French politicians than among the athletes... How many women on the CNOSF board? Lamour refused to fight for the WADA Presidency. He could at least have tried to get elected but prefer to withdraw for fear of losing. That's a sportsman spirit. "anglophile majority"? For years, the Olympic Movement was governed by Samaranch / Nebiolo / Rana, all well known anglophiles... Even now, Rogge is as much anglophile than he is francophile, Diack spent a lot of his life in France... Before being awarded the 2012 Games, UK has failed 3 times (Birmingham and Manchester twice), also failed to be awarded WC 2006 and Rugby WC 2007, lost the organisation of the IAAF 2005 WC... But, except for a few people on this board, they are not whiners, they got their act together and won London 2012. So yea, keep whining about the world being unfair to us French, that will certainly help us getting the Games. And I don't see wining 2018 as a losing situation. Even without 2018, it won't be easy to get the Games to Paris any time soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted October 25, 2008 Report Share Posted October 25, 2008 To win 2024, I think Paris has to replace the Stade de France with a more imaginative, iconic stadium that better represents La Belle France and what could possibly be a 3rd-time hosting duty. It has to be a beautiful, state-of-the-art structure -- not necessarily as extravagant as Birds Nest, but certainly something that will capture the IOC's imagination, and on which to anchor the bid. Let Mo have a go at it -- I bet the GB regulars could put together quite a competent, realistic Paris 2024 bid package. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citius Altius Fortius Posted October 25, 2008 Report Share Posted October 25, 2008 I bet the GB regulars could put together quite a competent, realistic Paris 2024 bid package. Maybe we should make a "Paris 2024 fantasy bid competition"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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