Are you forgoting Madrid ?

[Rafa]

do you think hackett and co...really give two hoots about becoming members??i think u guys worry more about it than they ever wil....am i wrong?

[Sir Rols]

Some athletes retire and just live the high life. Some leave sports to go into media and promotions etc. Some go into politics. Some go into coaching. Some you never hear from again. And some become sports administrators.

Basically, we were just saying that Perkins and Hacket were the most likely to get into administration, having shown the most signs so far. I know Cathy Freeman been asked about an IOC future in past interviews, for example, and hasn't ruled it out. And of course Suzie O'Neill and Alissa Camplin have shown obvious ambitions.

Remember, a big majority of sports administrators and IOC members were all once sports people of varying degrees of success. I think it's fair to say that just about all athletes worry about their future beyond sport. For a lot of successful Olympians, a future role in the IOC is exactly what they think about. If you are discussing possible future IOC members _ say those of 20-30 years time _ the current crop of athletes is the most likely group to start looking at.

[Aronious]

do you think hackett and co...really give two hoots about becoming members??i think u guys worry more about it than they ever wil....am i wrong?

Honestly, I don’t care what the athletes them selves think. The more Australians in the IOC the better, we’ll at least for me.  Obviously not for everyone else.

[Sir Rols]

Actually, I'm surprised we don't have few more athletes here. Some of those that I've met have been just as keen about speculating about Olympic hosts etc as we are. I remember chatting with one of the Aussie swim team just before Athens, and he was gung-ho about how he really wanted London to win 2012. I think the Olympic athletes really do follow Olympic matters as closely as we do.

[Guardian]

Some athletes retire and just live the high life. Some leave sports to go into media and promotions etc. Some go into politics. Some go into coaching. Some you never hear from again. And some become sports administrators.

Basically, we were just saying that Perkins and Hacket were the most likely to get into administration, having shown the most signs so far. I know Cathy Freeman been asked about an IOC future in past interviews, for example, and hasn't ruled it out. And of course Suzie O'Neill and Alissa Camplin have shown obvious ambitions.

Remember, a big majority of sports administrators and IOC members were all once sports people of varying degrees of success. I think it's fair to say that just about all athletes worry about their future beyond sport. For a lot of successful Olympians, a future role in the IOC is exactly what they think about. If you are discussing possible future IOC members _ say those of 20-30 years time _ the current crop of athletes is the most likely group to start looking at.

I wouldn't be surprised, if Cathy Freeman will be nominated and chosen as IOC member come Beijing 2008. However, if she does decide to go that route.

[Guardian]

Well, I'm sure old Sonny Kim would have kept up the Samaranch tradition if he'd been successful.

Personally, I think Pound would have been a good leader, but then again, he's not exactly the type who would kiss ass to make friends and supporters. It'll be interesting to see if Rogge decides to stand for re-election in 2009, and who would be the challengers/successor.

Just imagine what would the IOC be going through, if Kim was the president of the IOC instead of Rogge, with everything associated with Kim up to the point of where he is now? Talk about a potential credibility problem.

[Guardian]

Yeah, I think you got it right when you said Coates is our Dick Pound. The bloke's a tough negotiator _ witness the deal he got the AOC over its share of Sydney 2000 revenues. He's also relatively untainted yet. What he needs to do now is start moving up the IOC heirarchy and take on a few active roles. It's far too early for him to take over after Rogge, whether that be 2009 or 2013, but if he takes on some role like media negotiations (he'd be excellent at that) looked to joining the IOC executive board in the next 10 years or so, he might be well placed to make a bid for the job when Rogge's succesor quits.

Hacket or Perkins would be our best chances from the current ranks of athletes. I think as you say, Hacket's being groomed for something like that, while Perkins is also a smart operator. Thorpie's future is probably to release a fashion of swimwear or a new fragrance etc. Cathy's nice, but too probably too nice, and she's inarticulate.

I see Alissa Camplin's up for election to the athlete's commission at Torino. I doubt that an Aussie would make it in from a winter athletes' vote, though.

I love the way we've turned a thread about Madrid into a discussion of Australian IOC members.

Well, Samaranch is from Barcelona and makes his home in both that city and Madrid. His influence on the IOC is still there, even though it is going down ever so slowly.

With the IOC presidency likely up for grabs come 2009, it would be a surprise if Rogge does not want to have a second term for the position. Richard Pound may want to try his "last try" at it while those who went against Rogge the last time in 2001 could try again. Would another American try to take the IOC presidency? How about that Hungarian?

[arwebb]

Who did Rogge support for 2010? Did he back Vancouver?

[Stu]

Seb Coe was often mentioned as a future President of the IOC, let alone a mere member, however, I don't see any opportunity soon for another British IOC member - Princess Anne will be there for the long-term, Philip Craven has only recently taken the position and Craig Reedie shows no sign of relinquishing his position on the IOC despite standing down as head of the BOA last year - and none of them are particularly old!

Without a strong dictatorial President at the helm I do think that the IOC heirarchy will find it increasingly difficult to control members in future elections, there may well be the situation where the tail is wagging the dog - this will have an influence upon which cities are chosen: the US being bypassed despite probable pressure from corporate America due to political bias within the IOC would be a possibility as would the selection of a riskier new frontier bid despite relatively poor evaluation remarks or even concurrent Olympics within the same continent.  There may also be consequences for the sports included in the Olympic programme.

Rogge may be a more approachable and transparent individual, but he lacks the discipline of fellow IOC members that was enjoyed by Samaranch.

Samaranch's own influence has also diminished since he stood aside and this has and will have consequences for a Madrid candidacy in Olympic host elections - Madrid would have to have an amazing bid anyway but may also find it has to wait a little longer before it hosts the Summer Games due to Barcelona 1992.  

(notice how I flawlessly managed to bring the thread back on topic!   )

[baron-pierreIV]

Seb Coe was often mentioned as a future President of the IOC, let alone a mere member, however, I don't see any opportunity soon for another British IOC member - Princess Anne will be there for the long-term, Philip Craven has only recently taken the position and Craig Reedie shows no sign of relinquishing his position on the IOC despite standing down as head of the BOA last year - and none of them are particularly old!

Without a strong dictatorial President at the helm I do think that the IOC heirarchy will find it increasingly difficult to control members in future elections, there may well be the situation where the tail is wagging the dog - this will have an influence upon which cities are chosen: the US being bypassed despite probable pressure from corporate America due to political bias within the IOC would be a possibility as would the selection of a riskier new frontier bid despite relatively poor evaluation remarks or even concurrent Olympics within the same continent.  There may also be consequences for the sports included in the Olympic programme.

Rogge may be a more approachable and transparent individual, but he lacks the discipline of fellow IOC members that was enjoyed by Samaranch.

Samaranch's own influence has also diminished since he stood aside and this has and will have consequences for a Madrid candidacy in Olympic host elections - Madrid would have to have an amazing bid anyway but may also find it has to wait a little longer before it hosts the Summer Games due to Barcelona 1992.  

(notice how I flawlessly managed to bring the thread back on topic!   )

Huh?  Stop talking in parables, Stu.

Anyway, it's way too early to speculate on who may take over in 2009.  Rogge is doing a good job.  He's trying to make it a more democratic organization with less of the autocratic style of El Falangisto!!  I just wish they'd put a final nail to JAS' coffin.  

Coe?  Don't make me laugh.  It's too early for him.  Why not Ueberroth then?  He worked miracles for the 1984 Games and the whole Olympic movement.  Let Coe finish his commitment to London 2012, and then we can talk.

[Stu]

I think Rogge is doing okay too, I was just pointing out possible dissent among his contemporaries.

I don't think Coe will be admitted to the IOC soon either - I thought I'd made myself abundantly clear. :wink:

[Guardian]

Considering that Great Britain has 3 IOC members, it would be hard to put another one in the hierarchy against those who don't have one yet.

Speaking of Ueber potentially wanting to be an IOC member, how would he become one? The IOC just doesn't go and give such an offer to anyone.

[Aronious]

Coe, Pound and Coates are hands down, easily my favourite IOC members. Though, honestly, none of them really suit the role of president.

[Guardian]

That's why, aaron, Pound lost the last time to not only Rogge, but that corrupt Kim, too. Even more so that a few anti-Olympics Canadians were endorsing a profane idea that Canada should leave the IOC.

[baron-pierreIV]

Speaking of Ueber potentially wanting to be an IOC member, how would he become one? The IOC just doesn't go and give such an offer to anyone.

He can either be endorsed by another IOC member and/or invited to join.  The problem is, I think that some IOC members know he takes no sh*t from them -- so that earns him less admirers.  He had his run-ins with Samaranch and that Monique Berlioux in 1983-84.  ALtho I think Samaranch was eventually grateful that PU played 'bad cop' to his 'good cop' in dispatching Berlioux from the IOC.

[Suit U Sir !!!]

Let Coe finish his commitment to London 2012, and then we can talk.

Precisely- if London 2012 is a successful games, then further down the line Seb Coe would be in the running for IOC president.

If London is not a great games (ie. boycotts, terrorism etc) then his chances could be reduced substantially.

[arwebb]

There is no doubt that Coe is very highly regarded. I suppose there's always the possibility of him returning to front-line British politics, though.

[puxapiti]

Maybe the games are going to Cape Town this time or maybe to South Africa.

Where is Cape Town so?...

GO MADRID!!!

juanma, no te preocupes, hay gente que no tiene remedio...

[baron-pierreIV]

Koochi-koochi!!  :wwww:

[Mikel]

Koochi-koochi!!  :wwww:

What?