Luffy Posted September 7, 2008 Report Share Posted September 7, 2008 Gamesbids reports today that Durban will probably bid for 2020 SOG. A lot of us think that Cape town will do the same. So what do you think about this?who will get the 2020 nomination? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafa Posted September 7, 2008 Report Share Posted September 7, 2008 Its a combination of things. Who has a better chance of shortlisting, who has better potential to bring in the $2 billion dollars to run the Games, who has the better international profile and private backing. There are many areas that need to be looked at but IMO if South Africa is serious about actually winning the bid Cape Town is the right choice for technical and non-technical reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cfm Jeremie Posted September 8, 2008 Report Share Posted September 8, 2008 Well, I have a totally uninformed opinion but I would love Cape Town to bid and host: It's a very symbolic place: near the Cape of Good Hope, that definitely symbolises South-Africa, it's a meeting point between the Atlantic and Indian oceans, the landscape is spectacular, it is strongly connected to South-Africa history Technically, based on the plan produced for 2004 and all the improvement brought from then (including the airport) I am certain it can produce a more than decent bid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted September 8, 2008 Report Share Posted September 8, 2008 Gamesbids reports today that Durban will probably bid for 2020 SOG.A lot of us think that Cape town will do the same. So what do you think about this?who will get the 2020 nomination? Harare will be the compromise candidate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim jones Posted September 8, 2008 Report Share Posted September 8, 2008 I would think Cape Town . They have been there and did very well also a well know international city and certainly a grand vista between the Mountains and Ocean . Not to say Durban is not a great place too but certainly not as well know to the world . Jim jones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafa Posted September 9, 2008 Report Share Posted September 9, 2008 Durban has made and continues to make significant progress in terms of infrastructure etc. but the same can be said for Johannesburg and Cape Town. While Durban is improving Cape Town and Jhb are improving by as much if not more. Any gap between the Durban and Cape Town that existed back in 1997 IMO still exists today a bit smaller, but still there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted September 9, 2008 Report Share Posted September 9, 2008 Hasn't Durban heard of the Leipzig, Lille, Brisbane, Birmingham bids? Besides, isn't Durban also aware of the curse of being a future IOC Session host? I think no post-war previous Session host has used that meeting for a successful Olympic bid launch. Last biggest flop on that score was Moscow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord David Posted September 9, 2008 Report Share Posted September 9, 2008 Hasn't Durban heard of the Leipzig, Lille, Brisbane, Birmingham bids? Besides, isn't Durban also aware of the curse of being a future IOC Session host? I think no post-war previous Session host has used that meeting for a successful Olympic bid launch. Last biggest flop on that score was Moscow. Brisbane's just a failure due to it's aging sports infrastructure (well the legacy infrastructure from the 1982 Commonwealth Games), but more importantly, the decentralized and lack of public transportation infrastructure. It will be years before they even begin to develop a subway system (which seems to be the only logical choice in linking the south with the rest of the city via public transport other than bus). Leipzig had a sound bid, but the obvious drawback was the population, transportation infrastructure and lack of hotels. I'd say Cape Town would be a better choice for the next South African bid, drawing elements from it's 2004 bid, as well as the legacy infrastructure from the World Cup. It's also the better known of the 2, which is a big plus in international competition. And yes, the whole IOC session could be a drawback, but that didn't stop Singapore from getting the games, albeit Summer Youth Games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted September 9, 2008 Report Share Posted September 9, 2008 but that didn't stop Singapore from getting the games, albeit Summer Youth Games. Knew someone was going to bring that up. But the SYG is just a throwaway thing in my book. Just another vehicle to gve the IOC more revenues and control. And I imagine that also comes with the Summer Youth Paralympic Games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim jones Posted September 9, 2008 Report Share Posted September 9, 2008 Durban has made and continues to make significant progress in terms of infrastructure etc. but the same can be said for Johannesburg and Cape Town. While Durban is improving Cape Town and Jhb are improving by as much if not more. Any gap between the Durban and Cape Town that existed back in 1997 IMO still exists today a bit smaller, but still there. Does Johannesburg have an issue with elevation? I recall Man U talking about it in regards to their recent tour of Africa. I checked it out since I never had heard that before and Johan is slighty about the elevation of Denver Colorado but it is about 2000 feet less in elevation then Mexico City. I can't see Elevation being as much an issue in the 2000's considering the Altitude Chambers some athletes are using now to boost breathing capacity. Not to be snarky Mo just wondering since I read that issue that Man U raised. Johannesburg I think is a great inland city for sure that has a great cosmopolitan feel to it . jim jones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafa Posted September 9, 2008 Report Share Posted September 9, 2008 Jhb does have an issue with elevation but there are many factors in its favour if it were to launch a bid. At the moment or even by 2010 I don't believe consdering the currrent format of the IOC technical evaluation and my review of every IOC technical evaluation available that Durban would be able to rank higher than Cape Town From that phase onwards, the candidate phase, Cape Town would without a doubt dominate in terms of global appeal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenadian Posted September 9, 2008 Report Share Posted September 9, 2008 Oh, I have to go with my gut and say Cape Town for all the reasons already stated. PS...Baron, you forget about Prague. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim jones Posted September 9, 2008 Report Share Posted September 9, 2008 Durban has made and continues to make significant progress in terms of infrastructure etc. but the same can be said for Johannesburg and Cape Town. While Durban is improving Cape Town and Jhb are improving by as much if not more. Any gap between the Durban and Cape Town that existed back in 1997 IMO still exists today a bit smaller, but still there. Does Johannesburg have an issue with elevation? I recall Man U talking about it in regards to their recent tour of Africa. I checked it out since I never had heard that before and Johan is slighty about the elevation of Denver Colorado but it is about 2000 feet less in elevation then Mexico City. I can't see Elevation being as much an issue in the 2000's considering the Altitude Chambers some athletes are using now to boost breathing capacity. Not to be snarky Mo just wondering since I read that issue that Man U raised. Johannesburg I think is a great inland city for sure that has a great cosmopolitan feel to it . jim jones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thatsnotmypuppy Posted September 10, 2008 Report Share Posted September 10, 2008 I personally would like to see a Johannesburg bid utilising some venues in Tshwane(Pretoria) to be a very viable 3rd candidate. Could we see a repeat of the 2004 race with the three big SA guns going after the SANOC nod? It would be interesting. For pure 'public awareness' Cape Town has the lead, however Jo'burg and even Durban are far from unknowns. Infrastructure wise wont CT need a new athletics stadium? I dont think the stadium for WC2010 is adaptable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafa Posted September 10, 2008 Report Share Posted September 10, 2008 It would need a new stadium but would follow the temporary stadium trend. I don't think the city planned/wanted on having a white elephant athletics stadium for 10 years before a possible 2020 hosting. Green Point stadium for the World Cup will be operated by Stade de France. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenadian Posted September 10, 2008 Report Share Posted September 10, 2008 ]Infrastructure wise wont CT need a new athletics stadium? Isn't that what the IOC wants anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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